200pt A-spec races

[StevenDunn99]

jdw, thanks for the input. I played with 1 & 2 and got better lap times where I am. Option 3 might be worth a go, line up #26 - that'll take some patience. I will try that and if that doesn't work I've got plenty more races to do for c100 days.

Steven

 

[SirBerra]

Summary:

SC Hall: All [200 A-spec] Dodge RAM 1500: ++ hp

Were you able to win St. George Hard with the Dodge RAM? I'm having a bit of trouble with that one. It doesn't seem to go around those tight turns very well and it seems to lose speed too quickly in corners. That's the only race I can't beat in SC with the RAM. All the others were fairly easy except I had to use the little Suzuki for Tsukuba Wet. Got some settings I could try for the RAM?

 

[StevenDunn99]

I think I used an Elise for that one, or something similar.
Finished off Classic at ring using Lne up #26, added chip & exhaust and no ballast otherwise as before. Blocking one car is a lot easier than two ! Ta everyone. Now onto Supercar, will prob try M3 as I don't like the way US cars turn in.

Steven

 

[jdw]

Summary:

SC Hall: All [200 A-spec] Dodge RAM 1500: ++ hp

Were you able to win St. George Hard with the Dodge RAM? I'm having a bit of trouble with that one. It doesn't seem to go around those tight turns very well and it seems to lose speed too quickly in corners. That's the only race I can't beat in SC with the RAM. All the others were fairly easy except I had to use the little Suzuki for Tsukuba Wet. Got some settings I could try for the RAM?

RAM... to hell with that RAM.

Tarmac Hard == Elise 111R.

 

[Wild Cobra Z28]

RAM... to hell with that RAM.

Tarmac Hard == Elise 111R.

Well, I did some with the 2004 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII MR GSR, but took the easy way out with the Ram on several. However, in the Hard Tsukuba Wet, I used the 25% Prize Car... 2003 Audi Nuvolari quattro. 952 PS R5 tires transmission to autoset-5 for 200pts. Not sure which car I was against, didn't nake that note. Hard Tsukuba Wet opponents:

Value Car__________
1418 1991 Mazda 787B Race Car
1432 2001 Audi R8 Race Car
1444 2003 Bently Speed 8 Race Car
1510 1989 Minolta Toyota 88C-V Race Car
1523 1989 Sauber Mercedes C 9 Race Car

Note there is a 105 point spread between cars.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

2000 Falcon XR8 Race Car at Infineon World Sports Car Race.

Bloody difficult, but very, very possible. It all boils down to clever pit strategy.

 

[Dr_Watson]

Grand Valley Endurance : Toyota Altezza Touring Car
its a fun race, and its worth 200 points

 

[Moloch_horridus]

RAM... to hell with that RAM.

Agreed - The RAM was only added to stop people reporting it for each and every SC race.

Tarmac Hard == Elise 111R.

Or the Elise Type 72 - can't remember the exact configuarations for Med and Hard - will post if anyone is interested. Makes an easy job of these events.

 

[StevenDunn99]

You know, I might have used the Suzuki GRX/G4 at SC Hall Hard Paris. It was either that or the Elise 111R.

Steven

 

[Moloch_horridus]

Professional Hall: Supercar Festival

I have been putting off getting 200 points for this series due to the wide spread of points on offer and having very little idea of which cars were effecting the points. So I have recorded 24 lineups against an M5 with NA1 and S2s which allowed me to rank the opponents (some of these are probably out by one or two spots but should be a fairly good guide to a-spec generation power):

Vehicle / Range / Average±SD
Cadillac Cien (200-140) 167±25
Tommy Kaira ZZII (200-126) 161±23
Volkswagen W12 Nardo Concept (200-129) 176±23
Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren (200-92) 153±36
Saleen S7 (184-92) 145±31
Ford GT '05 (200-103) 148±31
Pagani Zonda C12S (184-103) 147±28
Cizeta V16T (200-104) 151±28
Spyker C8 Laviolette (184-104) 148±27
Audi Nuvolari Quattro (184-103) 146±26
Nissan R390 GT1 Road Car (168-92) 131±28
Callaway C12 (200-103) 148±30
Honda HSC (Honda Sports Concept) (184-92) 135±28
Proto Motors Spirra 4.6 V8 (157-92) 121±24

The only 200 point lineups I got were:
Cien, W12, SLR, GT, V16T
Cien, ZZII, W12, SLR, C12 (interesting as C12 is ranked 3rd last)

Very hard series to predict what points will be given due to the large variation in a-spec index values for these cars.

This ranking correlates poorly with PWR, especially wrt the McMerc and Ford GT.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

I found the F1 races in Arcade with +10% weight and -20% power is worth 200 points and quite manageable. In GT mode, put 200 weight and halve the downforce for 200 points.

 

[Uncle Harry]

Special Conditions Hard Tasabuka Wet.
200 points. Tomy Kiara ZZ 11 with race qualifying tires against the Audi R8.

 

[slotcarrod]

I found the F1 races in Arcade with +10% weight and -20% power is worth 200 points and quite manageable. In GT mode, put 200 weight and halve the downforce for 200 points.

Thats good info. 👍 I had a hell of a time beating it with the Audi R8.

In GT Mode, is it easy?

 

[jdw]

Thats good info. 👍 I had a hell of a time beating it with the Audi R8.

In GT Mode, is it easy?

Easy?

HELL NO!

Well, maybe for someone like route but certainly not for me...

I did the entire series in the ballasted F1 just because everyone else was doing it with the Group Cs for points. Sometime in the future I'd like to try the Peskie here but for the first run through I wanted to at least have the opportunity to race my shiny F1. I mean, when you're chasing points there's not much call for the F1, now is there!

In the end I managed 5 200p races (200kg + 56/78DF): High Speed Ring, Seoul, Laguna (by far the easiest), El Cap and Fuji. Nurburgring was 123p (100kg + 10df off the front) because that's the best I could do and not have to pit every lap. The rest were 161-169p (200kg + full DF/take 10 off the front for 169p). Taking that 10DF off the front was a big deal. Really helped reduce understeer. Wish I had known about it in the beginning.

TigJackson managed to get 200p runs with the F1 at Grand Valley, Cote, Infineon, Motegi and Suzuka as well.

This may be one case where setup is key (I try to leave everything stock since I don't know what I'm doing )


I shared the journey with a couple others. If you are interested in taking a peak it's here: (although the thread probably won't last long).
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=561066&topic=22230875&page=1

 

[TigJackson]

Easy? HELL NO!

I concur with your post, but it is possible. Here is my final list of the 200 A-Spec Point races in the F1 Series, the car that I used to win each, and the best lap time per event (from the diary).

1. Tokyo R246 (Audi R8) | 1'19.467" (Lots of wall riding)
2. Twin Ring Motegi SS (Audi R8) | 0'28.243" (Lots of wall riding)
3. New York (Audi R8) | 1'17.616" (Legit Race)
4. High Speed Ring (Audi R8) | 0'56.716" (Legit Race)
5. Grand Valley (F1) | 1'30.981" (Legit Race)
6. Circuit de la Sarthe I (Audi R8) | 3'12.338" (Corner cutting where possible)
7. Cote d'Azur (F1) | 1'18.957" (Wall riding at left hand turn at top of hill)
8. Seoul (F1) | 0'45.577" (Legit Race)
9. Infineon Raceway (F1) | 1'13.199" (Legit Race)
10. Laguna Seca (F1) | 1'09.605" (Legit Race)
11. Twin Ring Motegi (F1) | 1'28.480" (Cut final corner)
12. Nurburgring (Audi R8) | 5'47.376" (Wall riding as appropriate, corner cutting)
13 El Capitan (Audi R8) | 1'24.309" (Legit Race)
14. Fuji Speedway 2005 (F1) | 1'21.405" (Legit Race)
15. Suzuka (F1) | 1'38.360" (Cutting across chicane approaching pit entrance...saves me about 2 seconds per lap!)

jdw, you wrote on GameFaqs: "Oh, and forget about the Suzuka cheat (cutting the final chicane). The F1 does NOT like offroading." This, and other areas where you intend to cut across curbs, grass, or even sand, is where I believe that increasing the ride height and softening up the suspension comes in handy. Of course, you do have to let off the gas and slow down somewhat.

I am presently trying for 200 A-Spec Points per race in the Gran Turismo World Championship. I have completed 7 of the 10 races using the NISSAN GT-R Concept LM Race Car '02 with 657 HP (I think that’s what I have after an oil change) against this lineup:

PlayStation Pescarolo C60 Race Car '04​

BMW V12 LMR Race Car 1999
Pescarolo Courage C60 Race Car '03
Nissan R390 GT1 Race Car 1998
BMW McLaren F1 GTR Race Car 1997

You can use R3 Front / R3 Rear and maximum downforce and still earn 200 A-Spec points, but I actually have had to go down to R2/R2 (or worse) in order to either match, or better the AI pit schedule. My progress so far with relatively comfortable wins, except for the Super Speedway:

Tokyo Route R246 (200 A-Spec)
Twin Ring Motegi - Super Speedway (Had to go to 1100 HP for 17 A-Spec points in order to win this one by 0.342 seconds....it was a wall bashing nightmare and I will have to try something else here!)
Hong Kong (200 A-Spec)
Seoul Central Reverse (200 A-Spec)
El Capitan (200 A-Spec)
New York (200 A-Spec)
Opera Paris Reverse (200 A-Spec)
Suzuka Circuit (200 A-Spec)
Grand Valley Speedway Reverse (200 A-Spec)
Circuit de la Sarthe I (200 A-Spec)
edited @ 9:25 pm

 

[slotcarrod]

I now hate the Audi R8 against the F1 cars! I will try the F1 with the ballast and lower DF. I ran the F1 for fun on the Ring a bunch and found -3 toe rear, 0 front, -3 camber on the front, -1 rear. Max ride and soft springs 12+/- worked well. I think I took out 10 DF on the rear for more turn in, all aids stock. The extra ballast will not be bad, but lower DF will be a $%#@!!

Thanks for the tips JDW but you must tune the F1 car. It is far better when tuned. Try my settings or some of the other guys, there must be some in the Set-Up thread.

Tig, for GTWC use the Chaparral 2J, it will kill them all easy! 👍

 

[Wild Cobra Z28]

Professional Hall: Supercar Festival

I have been putting off getting 200 points for this series due to the wide spread of points on offer and having very little idea of which cars were effecting the points. So I have recorded 24 lineups against an M5 with NA1 and S2s which allowed me to rank the opponents (some of these are probably out by one or two spots but should be a fairly good guide to a-spec generation power):

Vehicle / Range / Average±SD
Cadillac Cien (200-140) 167±25
Tommy Kaira ZZII (200-126) 161±23
Volkswagen W12 Nardo Concept (200-129) 176±23
Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren (200-92) 153±36
Saleen S7 (184-92) 145±31
Ford GT '05 (200-103) 148±31
Pagani Zonda C12S (184-103) 147±28
Cizeta V16T (200-104) 151±28
Spyker C8 Laviolette (184-104) 148±27
Audi Nuvolari Quattro (184-103) 146±26
Nissan R390 GT1 Road Car (168-92) 131±28
Callaway C12 (200-103) 148±30
Honda HSC (Honda Sports Concept) (184-92) 135±28
Proto Motors Spirra 4.6 V8 (157-92) 121±24

The only 200 point lineups I got were:
Cien, W12, SLR, GT, V16T
Cien, ZZII, W12, SLR, C12 (interesting as C12 is ranked 3rd last)

Very hard series to predict what points will be given due to the large variation in a-spec index values for these cars.

This ranking correlates poorly with PWR, especially wrt the McMerc and Ford GT.

Moloch, I already have most those competition cars ‘valued’ along with the M5. On my value system, the M5 @ 508PS is worth 789 new, unmodified, no oil. NA1 makes it 539 PS and a value of 812. The value of the competition:

Value Car
873 Audi Nuvolari Quattro
1050 Cadillac Cien
759 Callaway C12
884 Cizeta V16T
918 Ford GT '05
734 Honda HSC (for Acura HSC, no Honda HSC USA/NTSC? Same car?)
935 Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren
??? Nissan R390 GT1 Road Car
??? Pagani Zonda C12S
??? Proto Motors Spirra 4.6 V8
922 Saleen S7
??? Spyker C8 Laviolette
1005 Tommy Kaira ZZII
966 Volkswagen W12 Nardo Concept

OK, lets say for example you get the first 5 above cars in the lineup. Add their values for a total of 4484. Divided by 5 is 896.8, rounded to 897. The M5 w/NA1 being 812. So, the opponents average is 85 points greater. Add the 60 for equal car value and the race should be worth about 145.

Now this is assuming two things. First, that my car values are correct within minimal error, say +/- 3 points. I’m not perfect. Also that the opponent cars are all unmodified. Without seeing the internal game data, my method has a minor amount af additive error in determining the cars values.

When I complete my ‘value system,’ it will be that easy to determine what car and setup you want to try. I planned to be finished by now, but the Summer has kept me away from the game…..

Congrats, looks like your system put the opponents in order! Sorry I put mine alphabetically....

Now as for your 200 point lineups... Your first lineup calculates to 199 points with my system, withing an acceptable error. The 2nd however is 191 points. How worn was your car, or is one of my cars wrong? Power seems to start reducing at about 1000KM/610 miles.

 

[Moloch_horridus]

Wild_Cobra - I had included you figures in my analysis and was able to deduce that the Spirra was worth 699 and based on that that the C12S was worth about 907 - I would be interested to see how these stack up against your figures when you get them.

My test did indicate that there are some errors in you figures. Do not know specifically which but when I totaled your ranks for some events lower totals yielded higher a-spec in some instances.

I have not spent too much time on this but trying to rank cars when it is known that the whole field is included in the calculations required more skill than I have, however, it is not too hard to get a fairly good ranking when not too many cars are involved. I used my list last night and was able to very easiy assess a field for its a-spec value, if fact I was able to look at my list and very quickly assess what mods I could use - first go I got 198 (easily fixed) second I got 200 (happened to be field with 1-5 on my list, nice, big mods and I won 👍 )

 

[StevenDunn99]

I redid the Opel races last night, was a lot easier than first time round ! 5 races just for 10 extra Aspec points (as I had 198 for each). I think there will be a few more of these re-runs that add little to my total, now wishing I had started this sooner. I already appreciate that joining the 100K club will be fun, and need skill and above all.... a lot of patience.


Steven

 

[Moloch_horridus]

Special Conditions Hard Tasabuka Wet.
200 points. Tomy Kiara ZZ 11 with race qualifying tires against the Audi R8.

This is excellent advice - I had tried a number of cars here with no success - this setup plus Stage 3 turbo allowed me to win this 🤬 race cleanly without NOS, I was actually pulling away by a couple of seconds per lap against the 787B and got the 200 I have been wanting for a long time.

This race was actually fun using this setup.

 

[meister_dan]

Special Conditions Hard Tasabuka Wet.
200 points. Tomy Kiara ZZ 11 with race qualifying tires against the Audi R8.

How could I win with that? I barely won the race and I used the Chaparral 2J..

 

[Uncle Harry]

This is excellent advice - I had tried a number of cars here with no success - this setup plus Stage 3 turbo allowed me to win this 🤬 race cleanly without NOS, I was actually pulling away by a couple of seconds per lap against the 787B and got the 200 I have been wanting for a long time.

This race was actually fun using this setup.

I won with stock power and no NOS.
I have to admit that I intentionly hit the Audi very hard at the first turn.
I got the 5 second penalty but managed to take the lead as the Audi speared into the sand. Won by about 4 seconds at the end.
I set camber at front +4 and rear +2 to get the tires to bite better at the turns.
The 4wd makes the difference.

 

[Wild Cobra Z28]

Wild_Cobra - I had included you figures in my analysis and was able to deduce that the Spirra was worth 699 and based on that that the C12S was worth about 907 - I would be interested to see how these stack up against your figures when you get them.

Well, out of curiosity I tested all the cars for this race again and I get929 for the Zonda and 717 for the Spirra.

My test did indicate that there are some errors in you figures. Do not know specifically which but when I totaled your ranks for some events lower totals yielded higher a-spec in some instances.

Yes, the error is either each opponent car is running S3 tires, or the race get an additional 12-13 points for some reason.

I have not spent too much time on this but trying to rank cars when it is known that the whole field is included in the calculations required more skill than I have, however, it is not too hard to get a fairly good ranking when not too many cars are involved. I used my list last night and was able to very easiy assess a field for its a-spec value, if fact I was able to look at my list and very quickly assess what mods I could use - first go I got 198 (easily fixed) second I got 200 (happened to be field with 1-5 on my list, nice, big mods and I won 👍 )

After I checked the values again, I tested the first 5 lineups and determined they come out right assuming S3 tires. I get exact mathematical results by changing the 2005 BMW M5 w/S2, NA1, no oil change value from 812 to 811. Here are my revised car values. Cars in order of value. First number unmodified, second number with S3 tires:

Pts_ w/S3 Car_____________________
1050 1064 2002 Cadillac Cien
1005 1018 2000 Tommy Kaira ZZ-II
0916 0978 2001 VW W12 Nardo Concept
0935 0947 2003 Mercedes SLR McLaren
0929 0941 2002 Pagani Zonda C12S 7.3
0922 0935 2002 Saleen S7
0918 0930 2005 Ford GT
0884 0896 1994 Citeta V16T
0842 0885 2003 Audi Nuvolari quattro
0849 0861 1998 Nissan R390 Road Car
0845 0857 2002 Spyker C8 Laviolette
0759 0770 2003 Callaway C12
0734 0745 2004 Acura HSC
0717 0727 2004 Proto Motors Spirra 4.6 V8

By the way, this makes the two 200 point lineup values in your previous post 212 for the first and 204 for the second. To bad it stops at 200 points....

 

[jdw]

Well, out of curiosity I tested all the cars for this race again and I get929 for the Zonda and 717 for the Spirra.Yes, the error is either each opponent car is running S3 tires, or the race get an additional 12-13 points for some reason.After I checked the values again, I tested the first 5 lineups and determined they come out right assuming S3 tires. I get exact mathematical results by changing the 2005 BMW M5 w/S2, NA1, no oil change value from 812 to 811. Here are my revised car values. Cars in order of value. First number unmodified, second number with S3 tires:

Pts_ w/S3 Car_____________________
1050 1064 2002 Cadillac Cien
1005 1018 2000 Tommy Kaira ZZ-II
0916 0978 2001 VW W12 Nardo Concept
...
0842 0885 2003 Audi Nuvolari quattro

Ummm... the Nardo and Audi values don't make sense.

Yes, they're on S3s.

Glad the system is starting to work out! What assumption are using in the calculation of adding S3s? Do you have a static percentage worked out?

How about adding the NA1 to the M5? Do you have a static percentage worked out? If so, does that percentage apply to the NA1 (doubt it) or to the observed HP boost (would make sense)?

 

[Wild Cobra Z28]

Ummm... the Nardo and Audi values don't make sense.

More sense than the Ram 1500 values and Opel Speedster race values… There is more than power and weight for a cars rating, and some factors are probably selected by the programmers mood that day. These cars have been double-checked however and I stand by the values.

For that matter, I’ve been meaning to test one of the used Mitsubishi 3000GT’s for performance vs. points. The high mileage 1995 3000GT SL (J) is only a 499 value, but has 203 PS/200HP and is a great tracking AWD! Probably a great car for some races. Bet with Nx tires and ballast, it can chew up some points. The 1996 and 1998 SL’s have 500 and 502 values. The MR’s and VR-4’s range from 605 to 615, then the 6.2 mile 1998 VR-4 tops out at 648!

I am now in the Nissan Skylines as I check the cars out alphabetically. Still so many pages of cars to test still….

Yes, they're on S3s.

Thanx. My version apparently doesn’t allow me to see what the competition is running, or is there a trick? I’m running the USA/NTSC version.

Glad the system is starting to work out! What assumption are using in the calculation of adding S3s? Do you have a static percentage worked out?

If you d/l’d that excel file some time ago, you can see the system is already tested. As for the tires, I just knew that the error of 12-13 I was seeing was the approximate range in tires, so I checked it. I looked at the difference of each car changing from S2 to S3 tires and appropriately added the 10-14 difference. No mathematical formula yet for any upgrades. When I tested the lineups, I had the constant 1 point error, so I removed it from the M5’s value. I have a few ideas what to test for formulas, but I try not to focus on too many things.

How about adding the NA1 to the M5? Do you have a static percentage worked out? If so, does that percentage apply to the NA1 (doubt it) or to the observed HP boost (would make sense)?

Nope, an did an actual test for the M5’s NA1. I will assume that once I test and record enough upgrades, I can create a close formula. I haven’t attempted that yet. I’m going to guess that the points will be primarily a function of % power change. So far, it appears a 10% change in power at in the low end of my scale is about 15 points, but about 65 points at the high end. I’m not sure it is a strait power calculation though. It might use torque as a reference, both, or area under the power curve. Too many variables. Ever notice how the power curve and torque curve change shapes sometimes? I’ll bet that a simple formula will yield a correct result when the HP/torque curves do not change shape, but will not accurately apply when the curve changes shape.

One tangent I went off on was miles vs. cash value. I actually changed my options to km for the test though. The used 6.2 mile cars for example are 10 km and the transitions work perfect at the 1000 km intervals. When you buy a new car, the trade value is 85% of the new value. I found the mileage (actually km) points where the car values change. At the same time I tried to track engine wear. At 1000 km, the cars value is 80%. It seems that 1000km is also where the car starts losing power. 78% at 3000km, 77% at 5000km, 76% at 10000, 75% at 15000, 65% at 15000, 50% at 40000, and 35% at 60000. The 3000 point is half a guess because missed verifying the actual transition from 2999 to 3000, but makes sense. I didn’t verify past 15000 km and used an educated guess of the values based on several used car mileages. The mileage vs. power loss is inconsistent, but the cars I tested stopped losing power at about 14000km. When I plotted my points on excel, the line was wavy to the point that suggests the total RPM’s of the engine are a factor rather than simply mileage. This at least would explain having less of a smooth curve than I expected. I have rather accurate points as I used the change in torque instead of power, and the cars I tested values would vary by about 0.07 increments. I was wrong in the past. There appear to be several hundred transitions in power as the cars put on miles.

 

[jdw]

More sense than the Ram 1500 values and Opel Speedster race values… There is more than power and weight for a cars rating, and some factors are probably selected by the programmers mood that day. These cars have been double-checked however and I stand by the values.

Look at them again. I'm not talking about the base points, but rather the difference between S2s and S3s. 10-15p makes sense. 60+ doesnt'.

I'm well aware that PWR is only one aspect of ASpec calcuation. AFAICT, each car has a base value stored on disk. That value, the one you're trying to evaluate, is then modded.

Thanx. My version apparently doesn’t allow me to see what the competition is running, or is there a trick? I’m running the USA/NTSC version.

Nope. PREVIEW. Or just look in the FAQ I sent you.
Tires and HP numbers are there for (almost) every AI opponent.

If you d/l’d that excel file some time ago, you can see the system is already tested.

I'll see if I can find it. I'm sure I have it around somewhere. But, I thought it only contained the values. I was asking about what assumptions (if any) you were making about adding S3s. Are you saying that tested every single one of those cars with S3 tires?

I have a few ideas what to test for formulas, but I try not to focus on too many things.Nope, an did an actual test for the M5’s NA1. I will assume that once I test and record enough upgrades, I can create a close formula. I haven’t attempted that yet. I’m going to guess that the points will be primarily a function of % power change. So far, it appears a 10% change in power at in the low end of my scale is about 15 points, but about 65 points at the high end. I’m not sure it is a strait power calculation though. It might use torque as a reference, both, or area under the power curve. Too many variables.

Yeah, I put down some test ideas months ago but have been too lazy to actually do them.

While what you say is true, evidence suggests that the PD programmers didn't concern themselves with complicated calculations. For the most part the variables involved have VERY few (if any) dependencies.

I'm wondering if the %power change of a power-related upgrade translates into a simple %point change of the base points. So, if NA1 gave a 5% power boost, that perhaps it also gave a 5% boost in the base points (1000p car in your list becomes 1050).

Hmmm....

 

[Wild Cobra Z28]

Look at them again. I'm not talking about the base points, but rather the difference between S2s and S3s. 10-15p makes sense. 60+ doesnt'.

Ooooopps!!! You are right, I made a typo or something…(finding correct info…) They were 10 to 14 different… I jumped to the conclusion you meant the values in general. My notes have the right numbers, but I entered them in the computer wrong. Sorry and thanx…

Nardo S2 = 966 S3 = 978
Nuvolari S2 = 873 S3 = 885

Well, at least the S3 values for that race were correct…

I'm well aware that PWR is only one aspect of ASpec calcuation. AFAICT, each car has a base value stored on disk. That value, the one you're trying to evaluate, is then modded.

I would sure like to crack those values out of the disk. I have done such things with some games in the past. My computer won’t properly read the GT4 DVD and I think the compression/encryption is past my ability to decipher. My programming skills are rather rusty.

Nope. PREVIEW. Or just look in the FAQ I sent you.
Tires and HP numbers are there for (almost) every AI opponent.

I hadn’t tried ‘preview’ mode. LOL never use it. A also only skimmed over that 187 page file you sent me….

I'll see if I can find it. I'm sure I have it around somewhere. But, I thought it only contained the values.

What I did on the excel file was give each car a row, I had a column with the value. I then had columns for the lineups with the cars order in the appropriate points, 5 cars per lineup. Another set of columns had a formulas. I believe they were all +/- 1 point, however, I think it includes the wrong value on the Ford GT. I went ahead and sent it to you a few moments ago.

I was asking about what assumptions (if any) you were making about adding S3s. Are you saying that tested every single one of those cars with S3 tires?

Yes, I put S3’s on all 14 cars and tested them.

Yeah, I put down some test ideas months ago but have been too lazy to actually do them.

While what you say is true, evidence suggests that the PD programmers didn't concern themselves with complicated calculations. For the most part the variables involved have VERY few (if any) dependencies.

I tend to believe, and hope, they kept it simple. Three things worry me about the consistency of values. The ease of 200 points in the Opel Speedster race, The Ram 1500, the prize 2005 Ford GT vs. the purchased one. You cannot tune a Speedster enough to get near 60 points!

I'm wondering if the %power change of a power-related upgrade translates into a simple %point change of the base points. So, if NA1 gave a 5% power boost, that perhaps it also gave a 5% boost in the base points (1000p car in your list becomes 1050).

Hmmm....

Again, I hope it’s simple. The value will at least need a constant added or subtracted first. At one time, it appeared as though I could raise all my values about 450 for a virtual zero for such calculations. When three cars yielded a curve rather than a near strait line, I knew my zero would be off. I stopped at that point. I was using the two lines of two new vs. the same used cars (90.25% power) and projected the intersection of the two lines. I calculated this from a high value car and a low value car, then disproved it with the third. If this concept will hold, I assume the curves will be logarithmic or exponential and the two may still intersect. It may also be making things more complicated than needed. Another project to check later maybe. Most my work is still on paper and not transferred into Excel. I’ll have a better idea what to attempt when I enter the data and graph it. Till them, I would be spinning my wheels.

 

[RenesisEvo]

Aren't we getting a little side-tracked here?? This thread was meant to be about how to achieve 200 A-spec points in the races... I appreciate the hard work and mathematics going on in the background, but I cant see every single person wanting to sit for hours number-crunching in order to achieve the big 200.

 

[ANK]

Aren't we getting a little side-tracked here?? This thread was meant to be about how to achieve 200 A-spec points in the races... I appreciate the hard work and mathematics going on in the background, but I cant see every single person wanting to sit for hours number-crunching in order to achieve the big 200.

Wild Cobra Z28 and jdw seem to be going to alot of effort to produce these lists.
For some people they may well come in very handy. The only down side i can see is that it is not that hard to to guess which car is needed for 200 points. So by the time you have done all your calculations from a list you could probably be up and running in a 200 point race.
Don't get me wrong Wid Cobra Z28 and jdw i am sure when you are done people will find your lists very usefull. I just did not think it was very hard or time consuming to figure out what car and what set ups were required.

 

[Wild Cobra Z28]

Wild Cobra Z28 and jdw seem to be going to alot of effort to produce these lists.
For some people they may well come in very handy. The only down side i can see is that it is not that hard to to guess which car is needed for 200 points. So by the time you have done all your calculations from a list you could probably be up and running in a 200 point race.
Don't get me wrong Wid Cobra Z28 and jdw i am sure when you are done people will find your lists very usefull. I just did not think it was very hard or time consuming to figure out what car and what set ups were required.

Thanx for the defense. I know it's not too hard to find the cars, but this may also find cars not considered. For me, this is satisfies a certain type of mental exercise I like to do.

Progress on list... Alphabetically, into the Subaru's. Have some work to do after that but my list will likely be done in a week or two. Anyone wishing it give me a request at felicitator@yahoo.com with a clear title like "request GT4 list" so I don't trash it. I already get so much spam this address, I don't mind making it public here.