2014 Mazda6 - General Discussion

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As much as I would like to believe that's true I don't buy it.

It's a rumor that's a couple years old for one. Two, Mazda is probably focused on a new Miata/MX-5 and a Mazdaspeed 3. My opinion they need to work on the CX-9 and ax the Mazda 2. The 5 is kind of out-of-place too. The most we're going to see for the 6 this year is the Skyactiv-D, which i'm excited for.
 
Blackbird.
As much as I would like to believe that's true I don't buy it.

It's a rumor that's a couple years old for one. Two, Mazda is probably focused on a new Miata/MX-5 and a Mazdaspeed 3. My opinion they need to work on the CX-9 and ax the Mazda 2. The 5 is kind of out-of-place too. The most we're going to see for the 6 this year is the Skyactiv-D, which i'm excited for.
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I'm thinking they'll also bring back the V6 S-trim sometime in the future with the SKYACTIV-D.

-EDIT- Chances of seeing a V6 Mazda6 is actually pretty slim, as Mazda is going to focus on the revival of the rotary engine over a SKYACTIV V6...
 
Grandea GTR
I'm thinking they'll also bring back the V6 S-trim sometime in the future with the SKYACTIV-D.

-EDIT- Chances of seeing a V6 Mazda6 is actually pretty slim, as Mazda is going to focus on the revival of the rotary engine over a SKYACTIV V6...
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Well I can't comment too much on what they're planning. I don't follow Mazda that closely. I only recently have liked them because the 6, 3, and CX-5 are all excellent cars IMO. I wouldn't mind seeing a powerful Skyactiv-D for a Mazdaspeed 6. That would sure shake up what people perceive as a sport sedan.
 
Blackbird.
Well I can't comment too much on what they're planning. I don't follow Mazda that closely. I only recently have liked them because the 6, 3, and CX-5 are all excellent cars IMO. I wouldn't mind seeing a powerful Skyactiv-D for a Mazdaspeed 6. That would sure shake up what people perceive as a sport sedan.
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The 6, 3, and CX-5 sure are amazing IMO as well. I actually wouldn't mind a SKYACTIV-D at all, as the turbodiesel engine will allow it to have pretty good torque, as well as good gas mileage.
 
Blackbird.
As much as I would like to believe that's true I don't buy it.

It's a rumor that's a couple years old for one. Two, Mazda is probably focused on a new Miata/MX-5 and a Mazdaspeed 3. My opinion they need to work on the CX-9 and ax the Mazda 2. The 5 is kind of out-of-place too. The most we're going to see for the 6 this year is the Skyactiv-D, which i'm excited for.
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I disagree that they should ax the 2. While in America it doesn't sell very well it makes up a large portion of their sales in Europe.
 
The Mazda2 is still a cut above the rest in terms of driving dynamics and feel.

What Mazda needs to work on is increasing the rear seat space. After decoupling from Ford, Mazda has managed to get more space out of the 6, the 3 and the CX5 (over the CX7)... if they can pull that off with the 2, it can compete on more even footing with the competition.

But it would also be nice if they were to compete in the class below, perhaps with a Mazda1. Something Mirage or Spark-sized, with Mazda steering and suspension... could potentially become a modern Mini....
 
niky
The Mazda2 is still a cut above the rest in terms of driving dynamics and feel.

What Mazda needs to work on is increasing the rear seat space. After decoupling from Ford, Mazda has managed to get more space out of the 6, the 3 and the CX5 (over the CX7)... if they can pull that off with the 2, it can compete on more even footing with the competition.

But it would also be nice if they were to compete in the class below, perhaps with a Mazda1. Something Mirage or Spark-sized, with Mazda steering and suspension... could potentially become a modern Mini....
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A Mazda1 would be an interesting addition to the lineup...

In terms of rear seat space, the Mazda6 is pretty spot-on, but I feel that the Mazda3 still needs some work to do with that. A Mazda2 with larger back seat space would allow for some high points to be reached.
 
Beeblebrox237
I disagree that they should ax the 2. While in America it doesn't sell very well it makes up a large portion of their sales in Europe.
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Maybe just in the US then but...

homeforsummer
What they need is a new Mazda2. The current one is nice enough but getting pretty old now.

And as far as I can recall, there's one on the way.
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If it makes sense then they should update it. The reason I suggested that is it's a smaller car but it gets worse gas mileage then the new 3. So it just wouldn't make sense for me, as a buyer, to opt for the 2 over the 3. I couldn't argue with the fact that the 3 is a bigger car than I need because generally speaking the 3 isn't big.
 
As small as the Mazda 3 is, the new Mazda 2 would be a clown car.

What they ought to do is make the Mazda 2 into a small xB type of vehicle. Vanular, but small and city-like. Urban Utility Vehicle, if you please. I want something small and fun that can haul ****.
 
Omnis
As small as the Mazda 3 is, the new Mazda 2 would be a clown car.

What they ought to do is make the Mazda 2 into a small xB type of vehicle. Vanular, but small and city-like. Urban Utility Vehicle, if you please. I want something small and fun that can haul ****.
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Mazda5?
 
Eunos_Cosmo
Mazda5?
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Mazda 5 with the 180 hp engine = yup.

Bonus fyi, Mazda routinely sold their entire supply of 5s without any specific advertisement at all. It might be the best car they sell, honestly.
 
Keef
Mazda 5 with the 180 hp engine = yup.

Bonus fyi, Mazda routinely sold their entire supply of 5s without any specific advertisement at all. It might be the best car they sell, honestly.
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If I was in the market for a minivan, it would be the first one on my list. And probably the one I would buy.
 
Blackbird.
If it makes sense then they should update it. The reason I suggested that is it's a smaller car but it gets worse gas mileage then the new 3. So it just wouldn't make sense for me, as a buyer, to opt for the 2 over the 3. I couldn't argue with the fact that the 3 is a bigger car than I need because generally speaking the 3 isn't big.
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Well... of course. The new 3 is brand new, and the 2 has been around for six years in some markets.

The reason the 3 is more efficient is because Mazda has made huge strides in efficiency lately. It's not simply because Mazda has just churned out any old crap and put the "2" badge on the back, not really caring their smaller model is less efficient than a bigger one.

Mazda is building a new 2 (whether the U.S. would want it or not, they do sell in places that aren't the U.S...), and there'll also be a Toyota model based on the new 2, too.
 
In the next two years everything Mazda makes will be replaced with Skyactiv stuff. We've already got the excellent CX-5, 6 and 3, the 3-based (and miserable) 5 and 2 have all-new replacements coming and then there's the MX-5 - which supposedly won't use the same design language but you can bet they'll use Skyactiv engines and gearboxes in some models at least.

There's also three new lines due. Assume one to be a larger CX, replacing the 7/9, but the other two are anyone's guess
 
homeforsummer
Well... of course. The new 3 is brand new, and the 2 has been around for six years in some markets.

The reason the 3 is more efficient is because Mazda has made huge strides in efficiency lately. It's not simply because Mazda has just churned out any old crap and put the "2" badge on the back, not really caring their smaller model is less efficient than a bigger one.

Mazda is building a new 2 (whether the U.S. would want it or not, they do sell in places that aren't the U.S...), and there'll also be a Toyota model based on the new 2, too.
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I suppose I should word my post better in the future. All I was implying at this present time getting a 2 versus a 3 makes no sense. I know the 2 is an old design and I know the 3 is a brand new design.

Talking about the 3, I want to vent my frustration that they don't offer a manual for the 2.5L I don't mean to sound like the "guy" that thinks everything should be manual because i'm not (I own an auto) but for something that doesn't have lots of power a manual makes it more fun to drive. They offer a manual in the 2.0 but the i Grand Touring doesn't have all the goodies that a s Grand Touring has.
 
Famine
In the next two years everything Mazda makes will be replaced with Skyactiv stuff. We've already got the excellent CX-5, 6 and 3, the 3-based (and miserable) 5 and 2 have all-new replacements coming and then there's the MX-5 - which supposedly won't use the same design language but you can bet they'll use Skyactiv engines and gearboxes in some models at least.

There's also three new lines due. Assume one to be a larger CX, replacing the 7/9, but the other two are anyone's guess
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The world needs SkyActiv Miller.
 
Omnis
No. Mazda 5 needs to be a bit bigger. Mazda 2 needs to be a bit smaller.
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Nah. It's one of the only true minivans around anymore. Everything else is just a van and they all weigh a ton. Mazda has got something great going with what they have already. Just needs a new design.
 
I only said a bit. Plus, I don't remember an xB being so big. Bring the Verisa to the US.
 
Famine
There's also three new lines due. Assume one to be a larger CX, replacing the 7/9, but the other two are anyone's guess
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I don't know what they could be besides a larger sports car (not so feasible), a large sedan (they could do it but it'd be expensive to compete with Hyundai/Kia), or a truck (crappy idea). Otherwise, they have all the niches covered except for those BMW made up.

Where did you hear about these new model lines debuting?
 
Keef
Where did you hear about these new model lines debuting?
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I don't actually recall. Twas something I encountered researching the UK model Sport Venture update I was writing the other day - a Mazda press conference at the back end of 2013 detailing 6 new model lines by 2016. The 2 replacement we already know about, as with the MX-5 and replacing the 5 rather than continuing to build the old 3 platform it's based on - when they're already struggling to build enough cars to deliver on sales - makes sense.

I'm not well internetted right now - see my status - so I can't look it up.
 
 
homeforsummer
Mazda is building a new 2 (whether the U.S. would want it or not, they do sell in places that aren't the U.S...), and there'll also be a Toyota model based on the new 2, too.
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Living in the midwest, it's a tough call. The 2 sold reasonably well at the start, but I see fewer and fewer as time goes. If Mazda sticks to the same formula, I think they could keep it and sell a reasonable amount, but the B-segment has really moved on here in the US. Compared to a Fiesta, it isn't exactly a fair fight. But, I think if Mazda were to make the same approach, keeping it lightweight, fairly basic, and above all fun to drive, I think they could carve out a decent slice of the market.

All of that being said, if I were them, I'd be more worried about the new Honda Fit than before. Lighter, "more sporty" (what does that really mean for modern Honda?), reasonable prices. If they're gunning for that same area where Mazda has been, brand recognition may be too much here.
 
Grandea GTR
If we needed a larger Mazda 5, then Mazda could make another MPV instead of remodeling the 5.
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If you mean that Mazda might provide a larger van alongside the 5, I get the idea Mazda of America would prefer you buy a CX-7/CX-9 at that point. Only Nissan offers two vans in their lineup, the NX and the Quest. We like our 5 (perhaps this is a case where the USDM model ain't so bad) when it runs, but we've had our share of drivability issues with it in the past four months, and craptastic post-repair support. But that's another topic.

I've driven the 2, and I think the problem is that it's not much of a price jump to the Mazda 3 for much more room, power, and a quite a bit more fun-to-drive. The new 3 is a lot more "cozy" on the inside, which seems eat up some of the interior gains at the expense of looking more upscale. Maybe it's my perception...I can't imagine a 2 being built around that idea; it's not a car in which anything other than a single child's car seat can fit with two adult passengers.

Also, please put a bigger gas tank in the Future 2. The range isn't very good even if you're returning 35MPGs.
 
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Pupik
If you mean that Mazda might provide a larger van alongside the 5, I get the idea Mazda of America would prefer you buy a CX-7/CX-9 at that point. Only Nissan offers two vans in their lineup, the NX and the Quest. We like our 5 (perhaps this is a case where the USDM model ain't so bad) when it runs, but we've had our share of drivability issues with it in the past four months, and craptastic post-repair support. But that's another topic.

I've driven the 2, and I think the problem is that it's not much of a price jump to the Mazda 3 for much more room, power, and a quite a bit more fun-to-drive. The new 3 is a lot more "cozy" on the inside, which seems eat up some of the interior gains at the expense of looking more upscale. Maybe it's my perception...I can't imagine a 2 being built around that idea; it's not a car in which anything other than a single child's car seat can fit with two adult passengers.

Also, please put a bigger gas tank in the Future 2. The range isn't very good even if you're returning 35MPGs.
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While I agree about the fuel tank, I would argue that the 2 is more fun to drive than the 3. I've never driven a front driver that enjoyed oversteering as much as my little 2 does. Also, at some point, the extra room has marginal benefit. I almost never carry people or even things in my 2. Why get a bigger car if you don't need it? The 2 is far easier to park...
 

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