2014 NASCAR Thread

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Wow. it truly is like a band breakup. Lawsuits and all. Also, their Facebook page has been dead silent since the outbreak of this news.

Very true. Albeit there will be privateers in secondhand trucks but no factory presence. Toyota can have the NCWTS manufacturer's trophy now.



There's always NTS. (That might be the inevitable outcome) But they're pretty useless since Harvick (and Hornaday ironically enough) left. They can't even hold down drivers and are only propped up by Chevy and whatever sponsors Gray Gaulding brings. Heck they might be on death row too after Turner collapses. I would like to see JR/Hendrick come to the truck series but who would they get as drivers besides Harvick, Kahne, and MAYBE Chase Elliot or Miguel Paludo once in a blue moon.
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I think you are a little confused on NTS, most of the stuff from Harvick went to either RCR or Eddie Sharp. NTS bought/rented the same shop later but is run outside of anything to do with Harvick at all. They run Lofton/Dillon on larger tracks, and their young guys on smaller usually like Newberry/Gaulding (since their fathers have stake in the team), and Pistone.

Jr could run 2 trucks honestly if they wanted to with either up and comers or a spin off of someone like Turner depending on who Hendrick has under contract.
 
to be honest, I didn't know that till the collapse that Turner was running Hornaday himself.

True about NTS. As useless as they are, they won't collapse unless Gaulding gets snapped up by a bigger team (Jr/Hendrick Maybe?) With that said, if JR/Hendrick bought the assets of the TSM truck team, then I can see them becoming a powerful team as they have the sponsors and money to contend for the championship easily. Also, they could easily be a 4 truck team with Hornaday, Kennedy, Hayley, and Paludo/Jones/Harvick?/Kahne?/Theriault
 
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I also wasn't aware Hornaday was essentially funded out of pocket until this whole mess came about. How often do you hear about that? Usually its a team sponsor or that driver's personal sponsor on that car/truck.
 
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Helton says Stewart is eligible for the Chase: during a Friday press conference at Atlanta Motor Speedway, NASCAR's Mike Helton said that #14-Tony Stewart will be eligible to run the Chase if he earns a spot in it the next 2 races even though he missed three races.(8-29-2014)
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Not really sure I agree with the decision, but given the fact the chase is pretty much a joke anyways I'm not too worried about it.
 
Apart from the cars looking tons better then the COT and the races being good for once, Cup is just meh. I said a few years ago that the Cup championship doesn't really have much meaning anymore and even though I'm glad to see Stewart back, all this (and the addition of a 13th spot last year) just further proves my point.
 
Justin
Not really sure I agree with the decision, but given the fact the chase is pretty much a joke anyways I'm not too worried about it.
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Agree with GTPorsche, if he doesn't win a race, it really doesn't matter. I don't see a win as likely.
 
The only way I'd be upset at Stewart being allowed in and missing 3 races is if there was a possibility of 17 race winners with Stewart being one of them, and the other 16 competed in all 30 races. Hamlin has missed a race and won, but he missed a race due to an eye injury...
 
The Bman
No.

NASCAR is a massive business. If a successful business goes down the drain, they're done. A burnt reputation and no cash to run the series would spell the end.
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Ok, NASCAR as an entity would cease to exist. I guess what I meant was that stock car racing would continue one way or another just as it did before NASCAR existed :)
 
GTPorsche
The only way I'd be upset at Stewart being allowed in and missing 3 races is if there was a possibility of 17 race winners with Stewart being one of them, and the other 16 competed in all 30 races. Hamlin has missed a race and won, but he missed a race due to an eye injury...
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I would rather have the driver with one win and more points in 23 starts than the other driver with one win and less total points in 26 starts. The first driver has to be better if he has more points with three less starts.
 
Would you rather have 2013 Denny Hamlin or 2013 David Ragan? Hamlin is definitely a better driver, but he missed several races with an injury. Ragan was the lowest guy in points with a win (not that there were 17 different winners). Of the two, give me a guy like Hamlin every time.
 
I'd rather take Hamlin still both now and in the future because he has better equipment and is also better driver. He wouldn't have competed for the championship last year under this format, but in the long term, he has a realistically better shot of actually competing for wins (and wins mean Chase appearances).
 
If you ask me, the only time they should assign a waiver is if a driver is deemed unfit to drive the car that week by a certified doctor of some kind.
The last two Hamlin years with him missing races due to leg/vision issues, that's fine. It just seems like if it weren't Tony Stewart I doubt they'd do it.
 
cnd01
Seems NASCAR is having the same issues as all other motorsports. Cost containment isn't high priority and that's issue no. 1
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How do they seem to have an issue with this? One day you're going to have to realize that little teams that don't seek help in premier leagues of racing don't succeed in them, and crying for some psuedo working man group isn't going to help them be good.


As for other topics as well, I'm glad Stewart may try to make an attempt but I don't see him having the drive. I watched the interview the guy is quite beside himself and broken up about the situation that happened. That harms race craft.

For the next year tv listings...I can only say that I was vaguely/broadly correct in my thinking that the NBC deal would also have a ton of NBCSN. Yes it's great that NBC is taking them and is better than ESPN with racing. What's not great is that NBCSN is just as much premium cable as FS1 and FS2. I wasn't expecting a damn F1 contract tv rights signing by NASCAR but that's what we got, and when you compare to the fact that only a handful of races from F1 make it to NBC standard (Canada, U.S. and Brazilian GP).
 
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cnd01
Seems NASCAR is having the same issues as all other motorsports. Cost containment isn't high priority and that's issue no. 1
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And you're solely basing this on one series low entry list, which again has been low even with the old truck (which by the way has been around since 2006).
 
Ganon83
If you ask me, the only time they should assign a waiver is if a driver is deemed unfit to drive the car that week by a certified doctor of some kind.
The last two Hamlin years with him missing races due to leg/vision issues, that's fine. It just seems like if it weren't Tony Stewart I doubt they'd do it.
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Mike Helton added Gordon to the Chase last year, even though there were already 12 drivers in the chase. NASCAR is clearly lenient with it's rules regarding the chase, and they look after their drivers. If Gordon, Johnson, Keselowski, or Kenseth had been in the same situation at Stewart, NASCAR's response would have been the same.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
How do they seem to have an issue with this? One day you're going to have to realize that little teams that don't seek help in premier leagues of racing don't succeed in them, and crying for some psuedo working man group isn't going to help them be good.


As for other topics as well, I'm glad Stewart may try to make an attempt but I don't see him having the drive. I watched the interview the guy is quite beside himself and broken up about the situation that happened. That harms race craft.

For the next year tv listings...I can only say that I was vaguely/broadly correct in my thinking that the NBC deal would also have a ton of NBCSN. Yes it's great that NBC is taking them and is better than ESPN with racing. What's not great is that NBCSN is just as much premium cable as FS1 and FS2. I wasn't expecting a damn F1 contract tv rights signing by NASCAR but that's what we got, and when you compare to the fact that only a handful of races from F1 make it to NBC standard (Canada, U.S. and Brazilian GP).
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I find it shocking that so few races are on NBC, there is no excuse to have only 7, FOX is doing lots of races.
 
ukfan758
I find it shocking that so few races are on NBC, there is no excuse to have only 7, FOX is doing lots of races.
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Sunday Night Football. I'm shocked we're getting as many races as we are on NBC; SNF is the premier game of the week, there's no way NASCAR isn't going on NBCSN if it runs past 6 on Sundays.
 
Ganon83
Sunday Night Football. I'm shocked we're getting as many races as we are on NBC; SNF is the premier game of the week, there's no way NASCAR isn't going on NBCSN if it runs past 6 on Sundays.
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Ahh, forgot about that.
 
The Fox commentators are twice as good as ESPN, and three times as good as TNT. Wish it was on Fox all year.
 
I'm on the FOX boat despite my earliest NASCAR memory being during an NBC race (I think it was NBC. The race was the '03 EA Sports 500.).
 
GTPorsche
Except that Jeff Hammond and Larry McReynolds... the twin terrors of the English language....
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Honestly, I can stand they're butchering of the English language a lot better then I can ESPN and their constant screw ups with drivers names/facts/teams (Seriously, Micheal Mcdonald? What drugs were they giving Allen Bestwick?) Last not forget the very first cup race back on ESPN: The Brickyard 400 where Rusty Wallace says:

"Look at Montoya, running 2nd and never been to this track in his life"

Yep, that's what this guy says about a Indy 500 champion. Let that sink in.
 
GTPorsche
2013 Denny Hamlin hadn't won a race, so the choice would have been easy if these rules existed last year.
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It was a hypothetical comparison of a good driver that missed time vs a lesser driver with a win. I would take the better driver with more points in less starts each time.
 

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