2014 Round 3 - Nissan GT-R Black Edition @ Mount Panorama
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- GTP_Orido
Go have a look at Best Motoring videos, 1:03.73 at Tsukuba, stock Ferrari F40 and my corrected Ferrari F40 replica ( ( US and EU market version ), corrected weight distribution, corrected gearing, corrected power, corrected dry weight figure, can lap in 1:02s on comfort soft. I even uploaded my replay in my garage thread. That's on a car with camber used as in real life alignment, and tuners here know that camber is broken, any value will reduce tire grip. Now imagine how much quicker the F40 will be with zero camber ( more grip ) on CS tire. It might need comfort medium just to be in similar lap time with real life stock F40 on factory tire.
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- Wilkes barre pa
- Notsoginga_ninja
Probably one of the best tracks in the game. I love people complaining about it after we ran two of the worst tracks for round one and two.
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- Düren
- racer-philipp
I honestly like the combination ! No drifting,unusual gearshifting or other stuff 
People , be happy and celebrate this round! The last years everybody told that the drifting stuff is Bad, is it really necessary to search for a different 'Problem' ????
2:14,5 after 30min. 2:13 is possible.
I agree with you at the problems with Disqualifikation, but try to drive smooth and a long time without Direct pushing...then the times will sink down automatically
People , be happy and celebrate this round! The last years everybody told that the drifting stuff is Bad, is it really necessary to search for a different 'Problem' ????
2:14,5 after 30min. 2:13 is possible.
I agree with you at the problems with Disqualifikation, but try to drive smooth and a long time without Direct pushing...then the times will sink down automatically
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- dyingfetusmike
Hmm, but if you go to TireRack.com and look up the GT-R's tires (Dunlop SP Sport Maxx GT), those are basically a sports tire, "extreme performance summer" category. Dunlop also has a Sport Maxx Race, beyond that you're on slicks. There are an awful lot of tire types below the extreme level (max, ultra, high, GT, Standard, Passenger) so I have a hard time believing that "extreme performance" tires correspond to Comfort Softs...
I think the problem is in expecting GT6 to be "realistic" which it is not - as Ridox mentions if you want to have a lap time similar to the real car you have to make corrections to the tire compound, weight, power, gearing, etc. (I've done similar experiments trying to replicate the Nordschleife record of 6:11, and couldn't believe how much I had to nerf the cars in the Group C range to slow down to that time... Sports Mediums, huge weight and power penalties, no aero...)
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- GuerillaBlack
Ohw my this was is bit infuriating. Got my gold i'm done.
The lack of grip and braking power is well infuriating. Make sure to keep the car between the white lines because the tolerance is really low (twisty bits up the mountain), quick invalided laps. Brake early and hard. Red shifter number is a good reference for braking.
GT Academy 2014 - Round 3 - 19-05-2014, Mount Panorama (Bathurst) - Nissan GT-R Black Edition
The lack of grip and braking power is well infuriating. Make sure to keep the car between the white lines because the tolerance is really low (twisty bits up the mountain), quick invalided laps. Brake early and hard. Red shifter number is a good reference for braking.
GT Academy 2014 - Round 3 - 19-05-2014, Mount Panorama (Bathurst) - Nissan GT-R Black Edition
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Just had my first run at it, came out with a 2:15.4xx. But I tapped the wall exiting turn 6/entering turn 7, had a slow run through the Dipper, had a horrible run through Forest Elbow and was slow exiting the chase.
So I've been .45 up on that to the top of the mountain and have been .5 faster from the top back to the start/finish. Ideally looking to get around a 2:14.5.
And with regards to the tyre discussion: The stock tyres are often too grippy compared to their real life counterparts. Someone did some testing in GT5 against skid pan figures and found that the closest tire for a Camaro SS (new one) was comfort hards.
And I doubt PD have changed that in GT6.
So I've been .45 up on that to the top of the mountain and have been .5 faster from the top back to the start/finish. Ideally looking to get around a 2:14.5.
And with regards to the tyre discussion: The stock tyres are often too grippy compared to their real life counterparts. Someone did some testing in GT5 against skid pan figures and found that the closest tire for a Camaro SS (new one) was comfort hards.
And I doubt PD have changed that in GT6.
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- Johnnypenso
A. Not a racecar.
B. Google "Aussie V8 Supercars Mt. Panorama Fastest lap" for reference. The GT-R Black is actually much grippier in the game with these tires than it would be with anything but slicks in real life.
C. Download and study one of the faster laps so far and I'm guessing you'll see the car drive quite realistically here.
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- GTP_Orido
To put things into perspective, the real life record for Nissan GTR, 1st gen, when tested at Tsukuba - Best Motoring, driven by pro driver :
Power at 473hp, 1740kg - 1'02"125 - on Dunlop tire. I did this long ago, but I can run it again, buy Nissan GTR '07, no oil change, use power limiter to get 473HP - PL 97.8%, as the stock power will have 484HP and fit comfort soft as stock tire always too grippy - usually one level higher
PD being PD
Now, for fun, I ran it again, 1st lap, no aids ( no ABS ), just moderate pace - drive like I would IRL: 1:02.298, and 2nd lap, same pace but a bit more push on last hairpin exit, 1:01.957. This is with completely stock GTR, stock BB 5/5, grip real, test drive mode.
In 2009, MCR owned Nissan GTR '09 model, in stock form, driven by Keiichi Tsuchiya posted a best lap of 1:01.931 at Tsukuba
, how close is that with CS tire equipped stock Nissan GTR '07 in GT6
For reference : Nissan GTR 2009 model has 482 ps (475 hp) and 59.2 kg/m (428 ft-lbs) at the hubs-wheel dyno.
I also tried Bathurst on comfort soft with the Black Edition, very fun and personally I prefer CS over SH.
Power at 473hp, 1740kg - 1'02"125 - on Dunlop tire. I did this long ago, but I can run it again, buy Nissan GTR '07, no oil change, use power limiter to get 473HP - PL 97.8%, as the stock power will have 484HP and fit comfort soft as stock tire always too grippy - usually one level higher
PD being PD Now, for fun, I ran it again, 1st lap, no aids ( no ABS ), just moderate pace - drive like I would IRL: 1:02.298, and 2nd lap, same pace but a bit more push on last hairpin exit, 1:01.957. This is with completely stock GTR, stock BB 5/5, grip real, test drive mode.
In 2009, MCR owned Nissan GTR '09 model, in stock form, driven by Keiichi Tsuchiya posted a best lap of 1:01.931 at Tsukuba
, how close is that with CS tire equipped stock Nissan GTR '07 in GT6 For reference : Nissan GTR 2009 model has 482 ps (475 hp) and 59.2 kg/m (428 ft-lbs) at the hubs-wheel dyno.
I also tried Bathurst on comfort soft with the Black Edition, very fun and personally I prefer CS over SH.
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- Smuttysy
Managed to struggle and claw my way to a gold with only .003 to spare! My only problem with this event was the inconsistency in the amount of run-off you were allowed before it invalidated your lap. In some places you could drop a wheel over the white line exiting the corners, where others would invalidate it if you even looked at it. The one major one that kept getting me was at the chicane at the top of the hill, run along the kerb of the inside and then it abruptly ends. If you maintain the line you ran with the kerb it releases you over the white line, invalidating the lap, despite clearly being on the racing line.
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- Lincoln
- Victory_Reign93
- Linthium Reign
Just got into the sub 15s with a 2.14.978 running a DS3.
Currently sat 174th but expect that to get knocked back when the real contenders knock in the truly fast times.
Currently sat 174th but expect that to get knocked back when the real contenders knock in the truly fast times.
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- carracerptp
2:13.286
Not a good lap, Turn 1, Reid Park ( turn 6/7 ), and turn 10 are very trick for me, just can't nail them.
Not a good lap, Turn 1, Reid Park ( turn 6/7 ), and turn 10 are very trick for me, just can't nail them.
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- carracerptp
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Ugh, this combo is definitely the worst of all. The track limits are ridiculous, the car handles like a truck and the restart from pause menu is sluggish (at least compared to the rest of the game).
Managed a 2:16.753, I might try again later with a ghost.
Managed a 2:16.753, I might try again later with a ghost.
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No, the GTR rear end is more stable in GT6 especially during braking.
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- Johnnypenso
I think what @super_gt is getting at is that the GT-R doesn't have as much grip in real life as it does in the game on Sports Hard tires and I'd have to agree just based on laptimes. The Aussie V8 Supercar lap record on full racing tires/chassis/downforce etc. with 630+hp is only 6 or 7 seconds faster than the lead times for this TT in a street car on street tires with less power. I'd guess Comfort Softs or even Mediums might produce similar lap times to real life and you see a lot more tire spin and struggling for grip.
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- mistersafeway
Yeah, that was Ben Collins.
I have two points about the video: first, why does it need posting again when it was posted on the last page? Second, I got the impression that you were saying the car in game was too stable (by which I mean that people were using too smooth a style to go fast), is that right, @super_gt? It's just that that'd be hilarious, because last year the cars were "sliding too much" according to the general consensus, now it's apparently not enough.
I also used Ben Collins as an example of why it wasn't as overstated as people were saying. 
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Sorry for double posting the same video.Yeah, that was Ben Collins.
I have two points about the video: first, why does it need posting again when it was posted on the last page? Second, I got the impression that you were saying the car in game was too stable (by which I mean that people were using too smooth a style to go fast), is that right, @super_gt? It's just that that'd be hilarious, because last year the cars were "sliding too much" according to the general consensus, now it's apparently not enough.
Yes the GTR in GT6 is more stable than real GTR.
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- New Jersey
- JHKnight427
Maybe someone can help me, i've been watching the top replay, i can not get the GTR to skid anything like they are around the corners. I was able to do alright on round 2, but i can NOT get over the tremendous understeer on the GTR. paying a lot of attention to trail braking tends to help get it around the corners but i am really struggling. can't break a 2:20.002. I use a DS3 and prefer a little bit of oversteer in a race car....any one have any tips? It would be greatly appreciated.
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- Colne, Lancs
- GTP_Holty
Ahhhh:censored:
I have NEVER been so annoyed with GT. A ridiculously tight track like Bathurst and they go and put even more ridiculous track restrictions. I don't what is legal.. bang into some walls your fine, go over some white lines your fine.. Touch a curb too much and you're red flagged!
Literally managed 3 clean laps in an hour and a half
Anyways got a... 2:14.612
With a few red flagged 13.8xx
I have NEVER been so annoyed with GT. A ridiculously tight track like Bathurst and they go and put even more ridiculous track restrictions. I don't what is legal.. bang into some walls your fine, go over some white lines your fine.. Touch a curb too much and you're red flagged!
Literally managed 3 clean laps in an hour and a half
Anyways got a... 2:14.612
With a few red flagged 13.8xx
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