2015 Dodge Challenger

[McLaren]

Welp the BASE $59K Price tag is real

Why is the Z28 in that presentation? Not even in the same category of car.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Why is the Z28 in that presentation? Not even in the same category of car.

They probably follow GTP and saw some of the comparisons

 

[Zenith]

Welp the BASE $59K Price tag is real

I like how they erroneously round the price of the GT500 from $55,110 to $56,000, the price of the ZL1 from $54,995 to $58,000, and then completely bypass significant figures and label the Hellcat as $59,900 when it should be $60,000.

My prices are the advertised base price from the manufacturer's websites.

 

[McLaren]

I like how they erroneously round the price of the GT500 from $55,110 to $56,000, the price of the ZL1 from $54,995 to $58,000, and then completely bypass significant figures and label the Hellcat as $59,900 when it should be $60,000.

My prices are the advertised base price from the manufacturer's websites.

At the least they were nice enough to round the Z/28 from $72,305 to $72K.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

I like how they erroneously round the price of the GT500 from $55,110 to $56,000, the price of the ZL1 from $54,995 to $58,000, and then completely bypass significant figures and label the Hellcat as $59,900 when it should be $60,000.

My prices are the advertised base price from the manufacturer's websites.

Glad I wasn't the only one that noticed that. Seemed suspicious from the off, since only their car got a decimal place.

Or, to be a glass-half-full kind of guy: high fives to the marketing department!

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

I don't even see why they bothered rounding the prices. I mean, even with the rounded price of the ZL1; it's still rated cheaper than the Hellcat and it's the same with the GT500. Also, wouldn't a smart buyer notice that the ZL1's hp is more usable than the Hellcats and easier to control? It just seems like to me at this point that only mopar fanboys would buy a Hellcat.

 

[eSZee]

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/07/16/2015-dodge-challenger-srt-hellcat-will-hit-199-mph-burn-1-5-gal/

In fact, the Hellcat is so powerful that Chrysler needed new dynos to test the engine – the ones used in Viper development weren't up to the challenge.

Anyone else roll their eyes at that quote as much as me?

 

[JMoney]

I don't even see why they bothered rounding the prices. I mean, even with the rounded price of the ZL1; it's still rated cheaper than the Hellcat and it's the same with the GT500. Also, wouldn't a smart buyer notice that the ZL1's hp is more usable than the Hellcats and easier to control? It just seems like to me at this point that only mopar fanboys would buy a Hellcat.

Yeah but the Challenger looks better than the Camaro. I'm a Ford guy but the Hellcat would still be my choice muscle car.

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

Yeah but the Challenger looks better than the Camaro. I'm a Ford guy but the Hellcat would still be my choice muscle car.

Honestly, when I'm looking at a performance car, looks are not the first thing I think about when picking one and that's why I wouldn't pick a Hellcat ever over its competitors. I mean, like other people in this thread have said; this Challenger is probably not going to be able to make use of all of it's hp on a road course and won't be able to keep its traction in the corners. Based on that, I would pick the Camaro ZL1 or Shelby GT500 anyday over the Challenger.

 

[Zenith]

I don't even see why they bothered rounding the prices. I mean, even with the rounded price of the ZL1; it's still rated cheaper than the Hellcat and it's the same with the GT500. Also, wouldn't a smart buyer notice that the ZL1's hp is more usable than the Hellcats and easier to control? It just seems like to me at this point that only mopar fanboys would buy a Hellcat.

Because horsepower. People seem to forget that horsepower is only part of the equation. Mass and aerodynamics are very important for making a car accelerate in a straight line.

If accelerating in a straight line is what you want, this car is too big and heavy.

If lighting up the rear tires and having an "America, hell yeah" moment is what you want, 550hp is just as good as 707.

Maybe I'm just frustrated that Dodge is setting the american pony car back 50 years while Chevy and Ford try to bring it forward.

When the recent Mustang 5.0 went around Willow Springs as fast as a $25,000 more expensive M3 it taught doubters that live axles and American cars can keep up with the European stuff. When the ZL1 came out with magnetic shock tech and the Z28 gave a GT-R a run for it's money, it continued the lesson.

Now Dodge decides to come out with this overpowered brick and I know that people are going to do that annoyingly smug "muscle cars can't handle" shtick.

The worst part, for me at least, is that I have to listen to people say all this "Murican muscle" crap when they talk to me, despite putting almost all of my effort into chassis and suspension work on my car. Somehow Dodge being Dodge affects how people react to all pony cars and I resent them for it.

 

[RocZX]

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Because horsepower. People seem to forget that horsepower is only part of the equation. Mass and aerodynamics are very important for making a car accelerate in a straight line.

If accelerating in a straight line is what you want, this car is too big and heavy.

If lighting up the rear tires and having an "America, hell yeah" moment is what you want, 550hp is just as good as 707.

Maybe I'm just frustrated that Dodge is setting the american pony car back 50 years while Chevy and Ford try to bring it forward.

When the recent Mustang 5.0 went around Willow Springs as fast as a $25,000 more expensive M3 it taught doubters that live axles and American cars can keep up with the European stuff. When the ZL1 came out with magnetic shock tech and the Z28 gave a GT-R a run for it's money, it continued the lesson.

Now Dodge decides to come out with this overpowered brick and I know that people are going to do that annoyingly smug "muscle cars can't handle" shtick.

The worst part, for me at least, is that I have to listen to people say all this "Murican muscle" crap when they talk to me, despite putting almost all of my effort into chassis and suspension work on my car. Somehow Dodge being Dodge affects how people react to all pony cars and I resent them for it.

Well what makes it worse is that you have what you just said, and then you have the hard core muscle car fans that are fine with that idea. Going about and saying "Doesn't matter they're designed to go fast in a straight line" so both sides do a great disservice and it's that actual car guys that pay attention to all spectrum that end up disappointed like you or me and many others here.

 

[Azure Flare]

Anyone else roll their eyes at that quote as much as me?

Looks like Chrysler has taken a page from GM concerning willy-waving.

 

[-Fred-]

I can't tell if it's the car or the driver, but that video didn't give me the impression I wanted/expected. The shifter doesn't look too precise and seems kind of slow, but again, that could be the driver not abusing the car. Basically no throttle imputs around the corners, either, so we can't tell if it's the suspension and mass of the car affecting it, or just the driver not trying as hard as he could.

Basically, it doesn't tell us anything aside from the fact it sounds pretty nice at full song.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I can't tell if it's the car or the driver, but that video didn't give me the impression I wanted/expected. The shifter doesn't look too precise and seems kind of slow, but again, that could be the driver not abusing the car. Basically no throttle imputs around the corners, either, so we can't tell if it's the suspension and mass of the car affecting it, or just the driver not trying as hard as he could.

Basically, it doesn't tell us anything aside from the fact it sounds pretty nice at full song.

I agree the guy seemed to be doing warm up laps and not hot laps when I watched it a couple times. He has almost no real entry speed on the first lap and the second lap he only has slightly more. The straights he opens up the car for a bit but then coast and early brakes and does slow turn ins. It just seemed like a conservative drive rather than trying to actually hot lap it.

 

[psntomaz]

They are not driving the Car for set Records, these are journalist riding the cars for first ride Impression, The Embargo for First Impressions is lifted on the 22nd.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

They are not driving the Car for set Records, these are journalist riding the cars for first ride Impression, The Embargo for First Impressions is lifted on the 22nd.

That wasn't the point, the video says hot laps as the title this is anything but. We're disagree with the posters title, you can put your torch away and cuddle your future Hellcat Diecast car for all of us.

 

[psntomaz]

Amazing video by TFLCar, on what Chris Cowland lead powertrain engineer for the HELLCAT has to say about the 6.2L Supercharged HEMI.

• 707 horsepower @ 6,000RPM and 650 lb-ft @ 4,800RPM.
• 5.7L HEMI makes 410 lb-ft. peak torque @ 4,800RPM (HELLCAT 411 lb-ft @ 1,200RPM).
• 90% new parts for the HELLCAT.
• 2.4L IHI supercharger that runs 14,600RPM at just over 11PSI.
• 30,000 liters of air flow a minute!
• 80 horsepower to drive supercharger.
• HELLCAT actually makes more than 800+ horsepower but is SAE certified at the crank for 707.
• 21,000lbs of load on each piston -- diamond coated piston pins.
• 42 minutes dyno tested on each HELLCAT for loads up to 90% @ 5,200RPM.
• Special injectors that flow 600cc/minute... will fill a pint glass in 7 seconds.
• 8-speed auto upgraded by 30% capacity -- new especial disks.
• 6-speed manual from Viper, but gets internal coolers.
• Locked ECU from Chrysler -- aftermarket will have to put new ECU on it.

Amazing technology put into this engine...

 

[Tornado]

• HELLCAT actually makes more than 800+ horsepower but is SAE certified at the crank for 707.

Oh go 🤬 yourself Dodge. You can't help but read that in a "Bubba Dale at the car show" voice talking about his beloved 196x Charger.

 

[Cale]

^^^ That's like saying the Chevy Malibu with 2.0T actually makes 360hp but is SAE certified at the crank for 260hp... So fraking dumb.

 

[GTPorsche]

But does it corner?

 

[eSZee]

But does it corner?

Yes, it has many corners.
Here I have outlined some of them.

 

[Zenith]

Oh go 🤬 yourself Dodge. You can't help but read that in a "Bubba Dale at the car show" voice talking about his beloved 196x Charger.

Dynos will prove it one way or the other. Unfortunately Dodge has planted the seed of hope. Even if someone were to go to the trouble of finding the true crank output of the engine Bubba Dale will always regurgitate whatever tall tale makes his car look better.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Great marketing by Dodge. I mean it's like video game companies, you plug numbers and stats and even sounds and some looks and you do it so much that people wont forget, so by the time the embargo is lifted people have already been sold on this idea. Furthermore, that twists and turns don't actually exist in the universe. That driving comforts and handling don't matter as long as you have a rocket under your ass that could be more of a rocket if the evil SAE allowed them...

So when a true honest opinion hits the deck no one will care cause they're already sold.

 

[eSZee]

Great marketing by Dodge. I mean it's like video game companies, you plug numbers and stats and even sounds and some looks and you do it so much that people wont forget, so by the time the embargo is lifted people have already been sold on this idea. Furthermore, that twists and turns don't actually exist in the universe. That driving comforts and handling don't matter as long as you have a rocket under your ass that could be more of a rocket if the evil SAE allowed them...

So when a true honest opinion hits the deck no one will care cause they're already sold.

SAE certification is VOLUNTARY...isn't it?
What dodge is saying is they could advertise the car at 800hp but they'd rather not lie to us.
Why do I have the feeling they simply added the power lost to operate the supercharger and bam, this is what the engine makes?
Are potential Challenger buyers as dumb and gullible as Dodge makes them out to be? I haven't seen this type of "colorful" advertising in a long time.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

SAE certification is VOLUNTARY...isn't it?
What dodge is saying is they could advertise the car at 800hp but they'd rather not lie to us.
Why do I have the feeling they simply added the power lost to operate the supercharger and bam, this is what the engine makes?
Are potential Challenger buyers as dumb and gullible as Dodge makes them out to be? I haven't seen this type of "colorful" advertising in a long time.

That's my point though, this is more of a sarcastic comment on the whole dodge premise than anything else.

 

[FoRiZon]

Because horsepower. People seem to forget that horsepower is only part of the equation. Mass and aerodynamics are very important for making a car accelerate in a straight line.

If accelerating in a straight line is what you want, this car is too big and heavy.

If lighting up the rear tires and having an "America, hell yeah" moment is what you want, 550hp is just as good as 707.

Maybe I'm just frustrated that Dodge is setting the american pony car back 50 years while Chevy and Ford try to bring it forward.

When the recent Mustang 5.0 went around Willow Springs as fast as a $25,000 more expensive M3 it taught doubters that live axles and American cars can keep up with the European stuff. When the ZL1 came out with magnetic shock tech and the Z28 gave a GT-R a run for it's money, it continued the lesson.

Now Dodge decides to come out with this overpowered brick and I know that people are going to do that annoyingly smug "muscle cars can't handle" shtick.

The worst part, for me at least, is that I have to listen to people say all this "Murican muscle" crap when they talk to me, despite putting almost all of my effort into chassis and suspension work on my car. Somehow Dodge being Dodge affects how people react to all pony cars and I resent them for it.

What do you expect for "Murican Muscle Car"?

However, so does Mustang and Camaro.

 

[Zenith]

What do you expect for "Murican Muscle Car"?

However, so does Mustang and Camaro.

Boy I hope you're trolling.

 

[FoRiZon]

Boy I hope you're trolling.

No i meant the challenger we seen today are, admitedly, heavy and only has more horsepower like this thread complaints. a.k.a American Cars stereotypes.

The camaro and mustang may also have better horsepower, but also lighter, better equipped, better suspension, etc.

 

[eSZee]

http://www.edmunds.com/dodge/challenger/2015/road-test.html