2015 Dodge Challenger

[Zenith]

http://www.edmunds.com/dodge/challenger/2015/road-test.html

Call me cynical but it's going to take more than Edmunds to get me to believe that a 4500lbs 57-43 weight distribution Dodge with no active suspension can turn.

 

[psntomaz]

Scat packs, standard srt & Hellcats do have active suspension

 

[Slash]

Low 12's on stock tires, best pass was 11.8.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Low 12's on stock tires, best pass was 11.8.

Bit of a far cry from the 10.8 on drag radials. Which makes those that said that 707hp from a car with the other numbers being shown isn't anymore useful than a 580 ZL1. If all you want to do is make the hole shot you'll win every time, but who pays 60-70k for a hole shot?

 

[Cale]

Pretty sure that track's elevation is over a mile high as well.

 

[Azure Flare]

Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat VIN# 0001 will be painted in the Viper's Stryker Red. It will be sold at the Barrett-Jackson auction in Las Vegas.

It will also come with a HEMI painted presentation box with an electronic vehicle build book and video documentary, still shots, vehicle footage, an authentic Challenger SRT Hellcat embossed Laguna Leather iPad sleeve, a signed SRT Hellcat lithograph and unique "birth certificate".

 

[Ken]

Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat VIN# 0001 will be painted in the Viper's Stryker Red. It will be sold at the Barrett-Jackson auction in Las Vegas.

It will also come with a HEMI painted presentation box with an electronic vehicle build book and video documentary, still shots, vehicle footage, an authentic Challenger SRT Hellcat embossed Laguna Leather iPad sleeve, a signed SRT Hellcat lithograph and unique "birth certificate".

Oh my indeed. That is sexy as all get out.

 

[ND4SPD]

The one thing that bothers me is why did Dodge think that a 275 series tire was sufficient for a 707hp 4000+ pound car?

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

The one thing that bothers me is why did Dodge think that a 275 series tire was sufficient for a 707hp 4000+ pound car?

Because Dodge

 

[psntomaz]

MT Tested the Hellcat and Ran 11.7 on Asphalt also it pulled a .94 on the Skid Pad.

 

[Zenith]

MT Tested the Hellcat and Ran 11.7 on Asphalt also it pulled a .94 on the Skid Pad.

Eh, not bad. GT500 did 1.00G and the ZL1 did 1.03G so the SRT is well behind those two. Grip and handling are different things though. I think most people are concerned about the latter.

 

[Tornado]

The one thing that bothers me is why did Dodge think that a 275 series tire was sufficient for a 707hp 4000+ pound car?

According to Car and Driver, nothing wider would fit. For all the problems with the Challenger, I'm at least grateful that they didn't add "tacky Camaro fender flares" to the list.

 

[Turtle]

Because Dodge

Agreed. What did the GT500 have on it? That car was drastically under-tired wasn't it?

 

[Tornado]

The GT500 is 265 fronts and 285 rears.

 

[Turtle]

Thanks, still pretty narrow for that much power, I think.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Why they didn't slap on the same size tires the Viper runs is beyond me, maybe they would have had to modify the inner wells.

 

[Turtle]

And while they're at it they could just make the Challenger a good car.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

And while they're at it they could just make the Challenger a good car.

 

[psntomaz]

Why they didn't slap on the same size tires the Viper runs is beyond me, maybe they would have had to modify the inner wells.

then you might as well buy the Drag Pack Challenger because the Cost of Dodge reducing the Trunks 16.5 Cubic ft. of space to fit 355's in the rear would probably cost MORE than the Drag Pack Challenger.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

then you might as well buy the Drag Pack Challenger because the Cost of Dodge reducing the Trunks 16.5 Cubic ft. of space to fit 355's in the rear would probably cost MORE than the Drag Pack Challenger. Isnt the Vipers Track and Width wider than the Challenger??

Wow what a gross hyperbole, yeah cause putting those tires on the car to get better grip performance constitute having buyers go out and purchase a Drag Pak that isn't street legal.

Um to re-engineer the rear end that they claim to already have re-engineered...my goodness how dare I make that suggestion, especially on a car that is clearly being used by buyers for the ample trunk space it has.

And no they're the same.

 

[psntomaz]

Wow what a gross hyperbole, yeah cause putting those tires on the car to get better grip performance constitute having buyers go out and purchase a Drag Pak that isn't street legal.

Um to re-engineer the rear end that they claim to already have re-engineered...my goodness how dare I make that suggestion, especially on a car that is clearly being used by buyers for the ample trunk space it has.

And no they're the same.

Dodge never said they re-engineered the whole rear of the car, it was just the Suspension geometry to accept 275's and chassis stiffening that they have done to support the Hellcat, but yo have missed my point. The work Dodge would had done to accept the Vipers Tires (355's) would drive the price of the Hellcat above $70K. The Same reason why there isnt a Manual Charger/300, Automatic Viper, V10 Challenger.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Dodge never said they re-engineered the whole rear of the car, it was just the Suspension geometry to accept 275's and chassis stiffening that they have done to support the Hellcat, but yo have missed my point. The work Dodge would had done to accept the Vipers Tires (355's) would drive the price of the Hellcat above $70K. The Same reason why there isnt a Manual Charger/300, Automatic Viper, V10 Challenger.

Well there is a V10 Challenger, also if what you're saying is true (which it isn't to a point) then hell Dodge just strapped a supercharger to a car, and that's it. Let's ignore the fact that it's a new engine or at least one that isn't a crate motor with a purpose built supercharger for Dodge or let's ignore the fact that they put supposedly plenty of active aero work into the car and active suspension that cost a ton as well. Also R&D costing a lot of money doesn't correlate into the cars price if that was the case Toyota should have made the SC400 a 150k car when it came out do to how much it cost in creating the 1UZ V8 alone.

Reworking the rear end isn't some 20 million dollar job so not sure why you make it seem as such other than going to bat for Dodge again. And yes I know the rears are 355's but even some under that a couple steps would still work. It's 707 hp on skinny tires

 

[psntomaz]

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Well there is a V10 Challenger (A Concept, not Production, they had to cut and rebuild the subframe/firewall to fit in the challenger let alone a totally new colling system, which mean it would had to be done by hand and not on the assymbly line if it was to made it to production), also if what you're saying is true (which it isn't to a point) then hell Dodge just strapped a supercharger to a car, and that's it. Let's ignore the fact that it's a new engine or at least one that isn't a crate motor with a purpose built supercharger for Dodge or let's ignore the fact that they put supposedly plenty of active aero work into the car and active suspension that cost a ton as well. Also R&D costing a lot of money doesn't correlate into the cars price if that was the case Toyota should have made the SC400 a 150k car when it came out do to how much it cost in creating the 1UZ V8 alone. (Toyota selling the Supra (which the SC"400" based off of) at $45K help cover the cost of the V8 Option. That was ALOT of money back in 1991-2001, but it doesnt matter. The 3.0l Inline 6 Platform that can also be had with Twin Turbo's was built to support a 4.0L V8.)

Reworking the rear end isn't some 20 million dollar job so not sure why you make it seem as such other than going to bat for Dodge again. And yes I know the rears are 355's but even some under that a couple steps would still work. It's 707 hp on skinny tires (You said Vipers Tires meaning 355's... maybe if you said Z28.....Just be lucy Dodge did ANY work to the Rear to handle 275's....255's were the biggest you could put on Previous Challengers without of offset wheel )

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

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Um no...

this is an actual car not a concept, you wanted to bring up hyperbole so I'm just using your method in a more precise form.

Toyota selling an inline six model that had different engineered turbos for different regions along with other engineering bits like VVT later on and so forth some how counts as making up the difference for the 1UZ cost and not the 2JZ that happened to be put into more cars.

Also the SC400 isn't based off the Supra the car came 5 years before the MK4. And 400 million in R&D cost as the claim by Toyota/Lexus is even more in late 80s and early 90s money...

Also you couldn't get a Soarer with twin turbos (edit:wrong I remember you could early on after mid 90s nope) it only allowed the single turbo set up and that was based in Japan only. And it wasn't a 3.0 it was the smaller 2.5, might want to get your nose out of dodge and into other groups.

Why would I need to say the Z/28 I meant the Viper tires I know what I mean, what I said was even if they went a step or two under that would probably work better than the current set up. Also the rear track is bigger on the Challenger by a little more than an inch and the width is about the same with the viper being .4 bigger.

 

[psntomaz]

Um no...

this is an actual car not a concept, you wanted to bring up hyperbole so I'm just using your method in a more precise form.

Toyota selling an inline six model that had different engineered turbos for different regions along with other engineering bits like VVT later on and so forth some how counts as making up the difference for the 1UZ cost and not the 2JZ that happened to be put into more cars.

Also the SC400 isn't based off the Supra the car came 5 years before the MK4. And 400 million in R&D cost as the claim by Toyota/Lexus is even more in late 80s and early 90s money...

Also you couldn't get a Soarer with twin turbos (edit:wrong I remember you could early on after mid 90s nope) it only allowed the single turbo set up and that was based in Japan only. And it wasn't a 3.0 it was the smaller 2.5, might want to get your nose out of dodge and into other groups.

Why would I need to say the Z/28 I meant the Viper tires I know what I mean, what I said was even if they went a step or two under that would probably work better than the current set up. Also the rear track is bigger on the Challenger by a little more than an inch and the width is about the same with the viper being .4 bigger.

When you said Challenger with V10 i was talking about this

Which was a Concept, sorry for the misunderstanding. as for the SC400
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexus_SC

IT was the Second Generation SC430 that wasnt based off of the Supra. the 1st Generation (SC400)
Mark IV Supra (A80; 1993–2002) "With this version Toyota took a big leap in the direction of a more serious high-performance car. Again using subframe, suspension,and drivetrain assemblies from the Z30 Soarer (Lexus SC300/400)" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Supra#A80

I Guess you can say the MKVI Supra was Based on the 1st Generation SC

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

When you said Challenger with V10 i was talking about this

Which was a Concept, sorry for the misunderstanding.

Well I don't use dreamed concepts that never make the assembly line in automotive arguments, so next time if I'm saying it exist it's probably some production version to an extent.

IT was the Second Generation SC430 that wasnt based off of the Supra. the 1st Generation (SC400)
Mark IV Supra (A80; 1993–2002) "With this version Toyota took a big leap in the direction of a more serious high-performance car. Again using subframe, suspension,and drivetrain assemblies from the Z30 Soarer (Lexus SC300/400)" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Supra#A80

I Guess you can say the MKVI Supra was Based on the 1st Generation SC

Which I did say that...it should have been apparent if you know about Toyota history among other car histories that the SC430 didn't have the 1UZ because the 400 in SC stands for the liter size of the engine and the same goes for the 430 which used the 4.3 liter 3UZ. If you knew this rather than trying to test my history on Toyota of the 90s, and just looked at the analogy I was making we wouldn't have gone on this tangent. I'd think proving you wrong on a few occasions with a manufacture you are good with would have stopped you from doing it with one I suspect you don't care for.

Also you can say once again it was based on it due to the years as well, the MKIV came out as a 93 model at the end of 92 and the Soarer Z30 came out as an 89 model at the end of 88.

So let's keep this Dodge, and I'll stop using analogies (since I really can do concise arguing without them still) and we wont have to worry about analogies that you or anyone else miss.

 

[ildd]

285? REALLY? I can put 255's on my rear no problem! Fender flares would make a bit of sense here...

 

[Tornado]

The 1UZ engine was built specifically for the LS400, which Toyota already was purposely losing so much money on to try to get their foot in the door that they probably didn't care about how much it cost to shove into the SC400 when it debuted two years later.

 

[psntomaz]

Also the SC400 isn't based off the Supra the car came 5 years before the MK4..

Im pretty sure 1991 launch of the SC400 and MKVI Supra's 1992 Launch isnt 5 years.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

The 1UZ engine was built specifically for the LS400, which Toyota already was purposely losing so much money on to try to get their foot in the door that they probably didn't care about how much it cost to shove into the SC400 when it debuted two years later.

Im pretty sure 1991 launch of the SC400 and MKVI Supra's 1992 Launch isnt 5 years.

The five years I confused was the actual design and patent of the car that we now know today. Also I'm glad you could find something to try and peg.

As for the 1UZ it was said that it was planned to be used in a flagship coupe for some time since Toyota had been working on a V8 sedan.

http://books.google.com/books?id=J3sUn8WV22MC&pg=PA31#v=onepage&q&f=false