CodeRedR51
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2015 Lincoln Navigator - 7 years and all we get is a facelift?
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Cadillac has found it's identity. Even Chrysler sort of has. Lincoln has zero identity. They can't even produce cool concept cars...
Robin
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I thought the 2002 Continental Concept was pretty cool. But yeah since then both production and fantasy cars have looked really questionable, especially with the huge grille teeth. The 'new' navigator looks shockingly old, hello 90's door panels!
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This is the sort of stuff that bogs down a forum IMHO.
Not only is there no news but it's no news about a care pretty much no one buys or cares about any more.
The navigator would be better of dead as a model and expedition like SUVs have been on the way out since mid-2000s.
Sorry to be so harsh but I've never liked the Navigator and I've always felt like it hurt the market more than it helped.
Not only is there no news but it's no news about a care pretty much no one buys or cares about any more.
The navigator would be better of dead as a model and expedition like SUVs have been on the way out since mid-2000s.
Sorry to be so harsh but I've never liked the Navigator and I've always felt like it hurt the market more than it helped.
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What gives is that the Navi won't get a fresh platform until the Expedition is overhauled.
The Navigator really does deserve a complete overhaul because it was the vehicle that made this segment of luxury SUVs popular. It's still relatively good - I've been in a few newer Escalades and they're awful compared to a Range - and it honestly wouldn't be difficult to make it nicer inside and out than an Escalade. They need to get rid of this "good enough" attitude that simply makes a profit and do what Chrysler has done, especially with their interiors, which is go balls-to-the-wall and come up with something genuinely nice.
@Kent , keep in mind that the Navigator and Escalade offer something that the Europeans don't, which is a gigantic truck that can carry an entire family, all their stuff, and still tow a bigass boat to the lake. And they're pretty popular for that, actually. They're the Suburban of the luxury world. The only other company that offers a real competitor is Infiniti with the the QX56, but there's no long-wheelbase version. I've been in the new ones, they're basically on par with the Navi and Slade in terms of quality. I can't even remember the last time I saw a Lexus LX on the road, mainly because of its outrageous price, but while it may be able to compete with Porsche and Range Rover on luxury, it's even less competitive than the Infiniti in terms of size and towing ability.
These trucks have their niche and they're still offered because they still make money. I'd just rather see Lincoln steal the market from Cadillac, as opposed to merely competing.
The Navigator really does deserve a complete overhaul because it was the vehicle that made this segment of luxury SUVs popular. It's still relatively good - I've been in a few newer Escalades and they're awful compared to a Range - and it honestly wouldn't be difficult to make it nicer inside and out than an Escalade. They need to get rid of this "good enough" attitude that simply makes a profit and do what Chrysler has done, especially with their interiors, which is go balls-to-the-wall and come up with something genuinely nice.
@Kent , keep in mind that the Navigator and Escalade offer something that the Europeans don't, which is a gigantic truck that can carry an entire family, all their stuff, and still tow a bigass boat to the lake. And they're pretty popular for that, actually. They're the Suburban of the luxury world. The only other company that offers a real competitor is Infiniti with the the QX56, but there's no long-wheelbase version. I've been in the new ones, they're basically on par with the Navi and Slade in terms of quality. I can't even remember the last time I saw a Lexus LX on the road, mainly because of its outrageous price, but while it may be able to compete with Porsche and Range Rover on luxury, it's even less competitive than the Infiniti in terms of size and towing ability.
These trucks have their niche and they're still offered because they still make money. I'd just rather see Lincoln steal the market from Cadillac, as opposed to merely competing.
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Looks less uglier than the previous design IMO.
I've had bad/good experiences with Navigators. When driving my families Navigator, I enjoy the neutral feedback from the suspension. I'm going 70 mph and it just hovers along the road. The V8 provides a substancial amount of power/torque when driving down the road. Just a awesome/comforting driving experience for a full size SUV. Only thing that irks me is the durability. The airbags (changed to springs) and various electronics fail over time (TBE). Fixing that stuff can be a hassle/expensive. I'd rather have a Escalade if I had maintenance in mind. There's always a donor tahoe/silverado (or GMT 9XX equivalent) at the scrapyard to get parts from, guaranteed. All GMT 9XX vehicles use some form of gen IV engines too.
I've had bad/good experiences with Navigators. When driving my families Navigator, I enjoy the neutral feedback from the suspension. I'm going 70 mph and it just hovers along the road. The V8 provides a substancial amount of power/torque when driving down the road. Just a awesome/comforting driving experience for a full size SUV. Only thing that irks me is the durability. The airbags (changed to springs) and various electronics fail over time (TBE). Fixing that stuff can be a hassle/expensive. I'd rather have a Escalade if I had maintenance in mind. There's always a donor tahoe/silverado (or GMT 9XX equivalent) at the scrapyard to get parts from, guaranteed. All GMT 9XX vehicles use some form of gen IV engines too.
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Who cares really, I mean the big SUVs don't seem to be nearly as popular anymore as crossovers and smaller platform SUVs.
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Uhhh, yes and no. I think it largely depends on where you live. There is definitely a larger share of the market going to large crossovers and smaller SUVs. After all, there were plenty of rumors that the new Escalade was going to be a riff on the Lambda chassis that underpins the Enclave/Acadia/Traverse, but I assume GM saw that they pretty much owned the large, luxury SUV market, and stuck to the status quo. As @Keef pointed out, there isn't much out there that can do the same thing as the Escalade, as much as the European brands would try to lead you to believe. So, why not do another one?
The Navigator on the whole is an improvement, but it's a stopgap. Until they get the new F-150 chassis underneath the other SUVs, it'll be a drop in the bucket. I can't say the last time that I've seen any large, BOF SUVs from either Ford or Lincoln on the street. They're rare, I assume, because they're completely outclassed. Minor revisions since 1998 aren't enough to save it.
I'm actually reasonably surprised that Lincoln didn't kill off the MKT, and just rebody the Explorer. It'd be a better competitor with the modern luxury set from the Germans, and definitely could have been something special assuming that Lincoln got off their ass and actually tried to do something. It doesn't have to be an off-road king like the Range Rover, but could you imagine if Lincoln tried to make a proper Evoque competitor? It isn't as if they have much to lose at this point...
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Exactly that's my point and I agree with this, unless you're GM building large SUVs doesn't matter, but Ford Co. should have got out of it especially more so when their largest SUV wasn't selling and was taken out of production.
BOF SUVs usually have worse performance and fuel and much heavier than uni so that's the reason.
Well they already moved the Explorer to a crossover suv class to sell it better due to the lack in big SUV sales.
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That's just ghastly, bland, uninspired tripe.
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Thank you Ford, for keeping Lincoln, the now pointless SUV maker who makes their money from rap stars and football players, and dissolving Mercury. I mean come on, you could have remade a Mercury Cougar from the bases of the Mustang!
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It was made longer than that, but it stopped being its own entity immediately following that outside of the brief and confusing return as a Mondeo/Contour coupe; spending the next 25 years either as a gussied up Thunderbird or a decontented Mark (depending on the generation) without the notable features (or sales success) of either. It's no more a reason to wish for the marque's return at the expense of Lincoln (one Ford could actually do something with) than the Cutlass Ciera would be for the return of Oldsmobile over Buick.
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