2015 Subaru WRX & STi - WRX Wagon on the way?

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My Aunt and Uncle used to lease all their cars and they've told me they really regret it. They used to be the type of people that always wanted to upgrade to the newest model of car so they'd trade in every couple years. If you plan on doing that (which it doesn't sound like you do) then leasing may be okay, otherwise I think it is a bad option. Basically it is like renting a house or apartment, you're just throwing money away on something you don't own and you'll never get anything back from it.

As far as brand new cars. I'd wait a couple years before purchasing one. Not only will the car have depreciated quite a bit, if the new models have any issues they'd be pretty widely known so you can know what to look for and what to avoid. I have to admit though, a new WRX is very tempting.
That is exactly what I was thinking. I like to have something to show for the money I spent on it. I am not the type of person that wants to keep trading up to the new car every few years. Sounds like I am better off not leasing. I will just keep my 04 WRX for now and keep an eye out for a premium 05 - 07 STI.
 
I was at the dealership for about 3 hours on Saturday. Was getting a few things checked out on my 04 WRX. (ended up being nothing. $0.00) While they were looking it over I decided to see about getting into a 2015 WRX "Premium" edition. Long story short they were trying to talk me into leasing the car. I really haven't heard much positive about leasing. They said they could get me into a 2015 WRX premium with 0 miles for about $350-$400 a month with 0 down if I lease. If I traded in my 04 WRX it would drop the monthly payment. If I sold my car locally it would lower the monthly payments even more. I could easily afford $350-$400 a month.

So I am a bit torn. I have never owned a brand new vehicle. I have owned very new cars but not brand new. I think owning a brand new car would drive me insane. Any little scratch, dent,chip, mark really would bother me. I get bothered when the 04 wrx gets any little chip or tiny dent.

Any opinions around here on owners with BRAND new cars? Any opinions on leasing?
Subaru was never really into leasing. I mean they could get you into one, but their terms were pretty bad and it would cost per month as much as buying it, which is kinda pointless. I think $400 is close to how much you'd pay if you bought that WRX, maybe $50 less (UPD: truecar.com calculator says $477/mo for base WRX with $0 down, less if you trade-in your 04). $400/mo will get you into a much more expensive BMW or Infinity, or any other brand that's pushing leasing hard.

Given that Subaru's leasing is unpopular, I have no idea how anal they are about every scratch at lease return.
And I'm not sure Michigan is a good state for leasing. IIRC, sales tax is on the full value of the car, not value less residual.


That is exactly what I was thinking. I like to have something to show for the money I spent on it. I am not the type of person that wants to keep trading up to the new car every few years. Sounds like I am better off not leasing. I will just keep my 04 WRX for now and keep an eye out for a premium 05 - 07 STI.
Good luck finding a clean/unmolested 05-07 STI for reasonable money. I tried it for about six months last year and failed miserably.


My Aunt and Uncle used to lease all their cars and they've told me they really regret it. They used to be the type of people that always wanted to upgrade to the newest model of car so they'd trade in every couple years. If you plan on doing that (which it doesn't sound like you do) then leasing may be okay, otherwise I think it is a bad option. Basically it is like renting a house or apartment, you're just throwing money away on something you don't own and you'll never get anything back from it.
Not entirely clean analogy. Renting a house usually costs more than the mortgage. Leasing usually costs less, and it could be a viable option for some.
Back in the 90s leasing was aimed at baby-boomers who couldn't stop consuming their expensive cars and the terms were generous, residuals were high etc. I would've leased back then. That kind of leasing is still going on in entry-level luxury and could make sense. These days, however, leasing is branching in to cheaper cars and luring lower-income and younger people by monthly payments barely under what it would cost to buy. Which is basically a big rip-off, but a lot of people take it cause when you live paycheck-to-paycheck $50/month is real money.

As far as brand new cars. I'd wait a couple years before purchasing one. Not only will the car have depreciated quite a bit, if the new models have any issues they'd be pretty widely known so you can know what to look for and what to avoid. I have to admit though, a new WRX is very tempting.
+1. I'd avoid first model-year turbo cars. If anything goes wrong they go kaboom and spend a month in the shop, since new parts aren't stocked yet.
 
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Actually the cost of leasing a car is MUCH less than buying. If I went in with 0 down the lease is around $400.00 a month. Buying the car is well over $600.00 a month. Its the opposite with houses. Usually renting is much higher than buying. In conclusion I really don't think it will be worth the stress for me to get a brand new car. Chips, scratches, everything would drive me insane. When I have something really nice, I try to keep it really nice.
When it comes to the 05-07 STI, yes it is indeed very hard to find these especially a blue premium anywhere near my area. For now I will just keep adding some minor improvements to my 04 Premium WRX until I find a 05-07 Premium STI.
 
If I went in with 0 down the lease is around $400.00 a month. Buying the car is well over $600.00 a month.
$600/month for buying a $27k car? That's a 10% APR for a 5 year loan. If that's the best one can qualify for (then he/she should repair their credit first), the $400 lease will suddenly turn into $550 lease when the dealer tries to qualify him/her. At a regular 5-year APR of under 3%, the payment would be under $500 for a zero-down purchase.
 
$600/month for buying a $27k car? That's a 10% APR for a 5 year loan. If that's the best one can qualify for (then he/she should repair their credit first), the $400 lease will suddenly turn into $550 lease when the dealer tries to qualify him/her. At a regular 5-year APR of under 3%, the payment would be under $500 for a zero-down purchase.
My credit score is over 800. :lol: I am 36 and have never missed any payment of anything in my life.

The estimated quote was closer to $30,000 for the 2015 Premium WRX. The 8 speed auto was about $2,000 more than the 6 speed manual.
Its very rare you will ever buy a car for less than you can rent it for. Its always cheaper to rent vehicles. Regardless, getting a brand new car just isn't going to be for me. The scratches, dings, chips would drive me insane.
 
Not if you keep a car for 20 years. Buying cost more than leasing? That's bizarre. The last car we bought in the fam, a G8 GT, will only wind up costing us maybe 8-10 grand after we sell it.
 
If, and I really mean IF, renting a car is cheaper, it's only cheaper because you have nothing in the long run. End of the day, I own my car and all the money I save driving it with no payment or the money I get when selling is money against the renting formula. I don't think it's cheaper to lease/rent but that's just my opinion. :indiff:

That said, I've got news about the 2015 WRX...

I just test drove one.
It was a premium with the H/K & Nav, and short throw shifter (32k sticker after all the little fees).

Gotta say, the new engine is nice and so are the steering wheel and seat.
The interior was nice as well.

Still don't like the display for tach and speedo... I much prefer the tach centered like in my STI.

That said, my only major complaint was the transmission.
I know it's supposed to be better than the previous 5 speed but it was still inferior to my 6 speed in the 2011 STI. No doubt about it, the linkage felt soft, the space between gears feels like a ghost land (surprisingly large area considering it was using the short shifter), and the engagement was missing that notch I've grown to love so much.
The transmission definitely felt like a FWD cable type rather than the mechanical feel of my current STI.

Overall a very cool car but if I bought one it would be the base model with a CVT or a base model STI.

Of course, since you can't buy a hatch I think I'll be waiting for the mid-cycle refresh where the STI gets a DIT and a hatch is released (just my hopes I suppose). :sly:
 
My credit score is over 800. :lol: I am 36 and have never missed any payment of anything in my life.

The estimated quote was closer to $30,000
Still ~$550/mo then, at 2% apr with $0 down, and that's with taxes already included.
The $350-$400 lease was probably for MT with 12k miles/year, not including taxes, listed here, with down payment factored into the payment. With taxes (on full car value in MI) and a CVT added (if that could be even done with this special) you're still looking at $450/mo.
$100/mo isn't worth it IMO.
 
If, and I really mean IF, renting a car is cheaper, it's only cheaper because you have nothing in the long run. End of the day, I own my car and all the money I save driving it with no payment or the money I get when selling is money against the renting formula. I don't think it's cheaper to lease/rent but that's just my opinion. :indiff:

That said, I've got news about the 2015 WRX...

I just test drove one.
It was a premium with the H/K & Nav, and short throw shifter (32k sticker after all the little fees).

Gotta say, the new engine is nice and so are the steering wheel and seat.
The interior was nice as well.

Still don't like the display for tach and speedo... I much prefer the tach centered like in my STI.

That said, my only major complaint was the transmission.
I know it's supposed to be better than the previous 5 speed but it was still inferior to my 6 speed in the 2011 STI. No doubt about it, the linkage felt soft, the space between gears feels like a ghost land (surprisingly large area considering it was using the short shifter), and the engagement was missing that notch I've grown to love so much.
The transmission definitely felt like a FWD cable type rather than the mechanical feel of my current STI.

Overall a very cool car but if I bought one it would be the base model with a CVT or a base model STI.

Of course, since you can't buy a hatch I think I'll be waiting for the mid-cycle refresh where the STI gets a DIT and a hatch is released (just my hopes I suppose). :sly:

Subaru just shot down the hatch rumors from a couple weeks ago.
 
Subaru just shot down the hatch rumors from a couple weeks ago.

That's a shame because they didn't shoot just a rumor, pretty sure they shot their own foot as well. :(
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I mean seriously, the Hatch made up 50% of sales on the WRX and STI.
More over, it provided them with a unique place in the market. Now they will be selling the WRX at roughly 30K as nothing more than an AWD turbo sedan and the STI as a 38k version with more track goodies.
That's going to put them up against way more competition due to the fact there are so many people providing cars at that price range with similar performance and a sedan body.

Put a hatch into the mix and they are one of the only players in the game.

IMHO killing the hatch is one of the stupidest things Subaru could have done.
 
LEDs in all four corners look amazing. Direct injection... It's perfect. I was talking to a guy who owns his 2015 here... He says his has a factory option pack with the LEDs in all four corners - and he works for Subaru, so he can't legally lie, because that would be false (word-of-mouth advertising.) Apparently the LED taillights are also in the commercials - I can verify.

I want this.


But, the flip side of the coin is that the traditional Subaru guys (myself included, I admit) will miss the hatchback version... And many of the even more traditional fans are upset that the styling is so much less dramatic. In person, the things are stunning, but they're ugly in photos.
 
I was at the dealership for about 3 hours on Saturday. Was getting a few things checked out on my 04 WRX. (ended up being nothing. $0.00) While they were looking it over I decided to see about getting into a 2015 WRX "Premium" edition. Long story short they were trying to talk me into leasing the car. I really haven't heard much positive about leasing. They said they could get me into a 2015 WRX premium with 0 miles for about $350-$400 a month with 0 down if I lease. If I traded in my 04 WRX it would drop the monthly payment. If I sold my car locally it would lower the monthly payments even more. I could easily afford $350-$400 a month.

So I am a bit torn. I have never owned a brand new vehicle. I have owned very new cars but not brand new. I think owning a brand new car would drive me insane. Any little scratch, dent,chip, mark really would bother me. I get bothered when the 04 wrx gets any little chip or tiny dent.

Any opinions around here on owners with BRAND new cars? Any opinions on leasing?
And you should have had them write that down on paper to guarantee it, because chances are, once the finance department starts getting involved, everything goes upward.
Any salesman can say we can get you into a car for a certain price, but there's got to be more than just "Car X" for "Price X" with nothing down. What mileage per year did he give you? What kind of term? What kind of rates?

Leasing works if you want to move from car to car every few years; a 3 year lease is about as much as you should go. If you're bothered about dents & chips, you're going to worry about them when leasing because if the dealer is picky enough, you can be fitted with the bill depending on the terms you agree upon with them. Replacing certain parts/tires can come back on to you. Going over the agreed mileage can cost you (though in this area, it's actually worth it to research if it's worth going 10,000/year miles & going a tad over, or agreeing 12,000/year for a little more. In some cases, if the mileage is ok, paying that "penalty" for every mile over could still be potentially be cheaper than if you had paid more for 12K).
 
Subaru was never really into leasing. I mean they could get you into one, but their terms were pretty bad and it would cost per month as much as buying it, which is kinda pointless. I think $400 is close to how much you'd pay if you bought that WRX, maybe $50 less (UPD: truecar.com calculator says $477/mo for base WRX with $0 down, less if you trade-in your 04). $400/mo will get you into a much more expensive BMW or Infinity, or any other brand that's pushing leasing hard.
2012-2013 WRX was $309/mo on a 36 month/12k mile lease with $0 down IIRC(EVO X was only ~$270ish :confused:) That's ~$11k over the course of 3 years. Considerably less than buying. I've looked at a few econobox-ish car leases over the past 2-3 years and you can have a car for 3-3.5 years and spend less than ~7k.
At the end of the lease you really don't have anything to show for, unless you buy, but you also don't have to spend another ~15k to pay off the car.
It probably makes more sense to buy a car if you could pay it off in 2-3 years and sell it to buy something else.

That said, my only major complaint was the transmission.
I know it's supposed to be better than the previous 5 speed but it was still inferior to my 6 speed in the 2011 STI. No doubt about it, the linkage felt soft, the space between gears feels like a ghost land (surprisingly large area considering it was using the short shifter), and the engagement was missing that notch I've grown to love so much.
The transmission definitely felt like a FWD cable type rather than the mechanical feel of my current STI.
I was hoping the 6spd would be more similar to the STI trans than the BRZ trans but it's not the case. It's just the same old 5spd feel with an extra gear.
To this day, the STI 6spd is one of the best feeling manuals I've had the pleasure of using.

And you should have had them write that down on paper to guarantee it, because chances are, once the finance department starts getting involved, everything goes upward.
Any salesman can say we can get you into a car for a certain price, but there's got to be more than just "Car X" for "Price X" with nothing down. What mileage per year did he give you? What kind of term? What kind of rates?

Leasing works if you want to move from car to car every few years; a 3 year lease is about as much as you should go. If you're bothered about dents & chips, you're going to worry about them when leasing because if the dealer is picky enough, you can be fitted with the bill depending on the terms you agree upon with them. Replacing certain parts/tires can come back on to you. Going over the agreed mileage can cost you (though in this area, it's actually worth it to research if it's worth going 10,000/year miles & going a tad over, or agreeing 12,000/year for a little more. In some cases, if the mileage is ok, paying that "penalty" for every mile over could still be potentially be cheaper than if you had paid more for 12K).
Don't most leases come with some damage protection? Each body panel has a damage allowance so that small dings and scratches are covered.
 
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Don't most leases come with some damage protection? Each body panel has a damage allowance so that small dings and scratches are covered.
you can be fitted with the bill depending on the terms you agree upon with them.

Typically, leases will only excuse wear & tear (except bald tires), or damages less than an inch in size. Beyond that, & they won't be afraid to make you foot the bill.
 
05XR8, could you get a picture with taillights on, to prove to @Zenith that they're LED taillights please?

I went to the trouble of specifically quoting the part of your post that made no sense and you still missed the point.

Bravo.

Here's a tip. It has nothing to do with LED's. Zero. It doesn't matter. Go back and read what I quoted.
 
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You or someone else said you wished they had LED taillights. I provided proof of them being LEDs in at least one edition/model trim level.
 
You or someone else said you wished they had LED taillights. I provided proof of them being LEDs in at least one edition/model trim level.

No. Stahp. I don't care about the LED's. I care about your reasoning.

He says his has a factory option pack with the LEDs in all four corners - and he works for Subaru, so he can't legally lie, because that would be false (word-of-mouth advertising.) Apparently the LED taillights are also in the commercials - I can verify.

This is stupid and wrong. That's not how advertising works, that's not how anything works.
 
Because the current ones look stupid and generic.
Don't brand me as an idiot or a fool, but in my honest opinion... I like the tail lights... And haven't the past WRX/WRX STi models use the same tail light design as their basic, non-turbo performance models...? Despite the 2015 WRX/WRX STi being something of a different "body format", it still goes along the line of being an Impreza.
Unless Subaru is pulling a Nissan and separating them from the Impreza line... I could be wrong.
 
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