Yeah I do know what you're saying but indeed, 2003 split up the dominant 2002 and 2004 seasonsit, 98 to 01 was battling mostly with McLaren then from 2005 it was totally over, swinging more towards Renault. We've not seen one team absolutely crush it this hard for 3 straight seasons that I recall, not post 60s anyway.
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Yeah I do know what you're saying but indeed, 2003 split up the dominant 2002 and 2004 seasonsit, 98 to 01 was battling mostly with McLaren then from 2005 it was totally over, swinging more towards Renault. We've not seen one team absolutely crush it this hard for 3 straight seasons that I recall, not post 60s anyway.
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Mercedes probably wouldn't be in F1 right now if they hadn't bought Brawn GP, which they wouldn't have wanted if it hadn't dominated, which was thanks to Honda designing the car. Therefore their current existence and expertise can be traced back to Honda. I bet most of the team working their now honed their skills under Honda.
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Like other said, both Ferrari and Red Bull didnt had 2 drivers that were as close as Hamilton-Rosberg. The only line-up that strong I can recall is Alonso-Hamilton and Prost-Senna. Ferrari had a clear 1-2 as well. And let's not forget that the main competitor to both these team were cars with a Mercedes engine in it, except the Bell-Renault exception. Now with Renault not capable of investing enough in hybrid engine development and Ferrari having all sort of trouble with modern tech (engine reliability, wind tunnel trouble, etc..) there's just no competition for Mercedes. But to be fair it's the other team fault. Mercedes always delivered a good engine since they are in f1. Maybe not the best but most of the time the more powerful one and it bring victory to the team they were associated with (mostly Mclaren and Bar).
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Maybe I was still young and not as jaded with the sport as I am now, but even back in the Michael-Ferrari era even if there were no overtakes it was still AMAZING to watch the cars go round the circuit. They look good, they sound good, they are the fastest things on 4 wheels and the drivers are always giving it 100% every lap because of refuelling and the tyre war. Even just the act of driving the car is exciting. If there is an overtake - that's awesome! If someone other than Michael or Ferrari wins - you need to check if pigs are flying 
Nowadays the drivers are always either saving fuel or tyres. Every pass is DRS or strategy assisted. The cars are not as fast as they could be because of rules. It's just boring to watch the driving, let alone the (non-existent) race. Yawn.
Also, despite his sometimes questionable tactics, Michael generally just knuckles down when he has a hard time. Never whines, never blames anyone. Mr. Motivator. Whereas with Lewis and Nico the slightest bit of thing that doesn't go to plan, they start throwing their toys out of the pram. Not to mention the passive-aggressive answers everytime they get asked about their rivalry. Give me a break.
More aggressive looking cars next year is a good start. Make the tyres more durable again. Make the engine loud again. Even if the racing is boring, at least the driving will be exciting
Nowadays the drivers are always either saving fuel or tyres. Every pass is DRS or strategy assisted. The cars are not as fast as they could be because of rules. It's just boring to watch the driving, let alone the (non-existent) race. Yawn.
Also, despite his sometimes questionable tactics, Michael generally just knuckles down when he has a hard time. Never whines, never blames anyone. Mr. Motivator. Whereas with Lewis and Nico the slightest bit of thing that doesn't go to plan, they start throwing their toys out of the pram. Not to mention the passive-aggressive answers everytime they get asked about their rivalry. Give me a break.
More aggressive looking cars next year is a good start. Make the tyres more durable again. Make the engine loud again. Even if the racing is boring, at least the driving will be exciting
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Personnaly the Ferrari area was the most boring I've watched, then come the Red Bull area, then come this area, I know it's because I'm supporting Lewis and for me it's really exiting to see him compete every year for the wdc and when Ferrari was dominating there wasnt really a driver that interested me. Plus the strategy side they were using was digusting me tbh.
As for the quote, I can't let you say that, you have the right to have your opinion but saying that every pass is DRS or strategy assisted is just plainly wrong.
Most F1 cars limitation are due to cost cap and safety btw. As for the hybrid sound I personally dont mind it, I'm more interested in the technological side of things.
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Well each to their own I guess. I can't stand Lewis' persona outside the track. Michael does dirty tactics sometimes but that's just his super competitiveness showing through. As for team orders, yes I agree they are disgusting. Even I won't defend Austria 2002 for him.
Not every pass, but majority is. I'm in the quality > quantity camp. More passing isn't better if the overall effort is less, in my opinion of course
Understood the cost and safety side as well. But by moving towards more aggressive designs again next year so they are basically admitting that the current wide front and tall narrow rear wing is ugly. Not to mention the step nose and "appendage" nose a couple of years back. I can't believe the rule makers actually approved the cars' design restrictions in 2009. Surely there are ways of reducing downforce more elegantly?
As for the sound, again, there must be ways of making it sound good and be fuel efficient. It's difficult because F1s have always had that scream all throughout my early years. For people who have watched F1 for longer the change in sound might be easier to accept.
Not every pass, but majority is. I'm in the quality > quantity camp. More passing isn't better if the overall effort is less, in my opinion of course
Understood the cost and safety side as well. But by moving towards more aggressive designs again next year so they are basically admitting that the current wide front and tall narrow rear wing is ugly. Not to mention the step nose and "appendage" nose a couple of years back. I can't believe the rule makers actually approved the cars' design restrictions in 2009. Surely there are ways of reducing downforce more elegantly?
As for the sound, again, there must be ways of making it sound good and be fuel efficient. It's difficult because F1s have always had that scream all throughout my early years. For people who have watched F1 for longer the change in sound might be easier to accept.
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Marcus Ericsson has gotten into some trouble with a chicken:
http://www.speedcafe.com/2016/09/29/ericsson-declared-fit-chicken-accident/
http://www.speedcafe.com/2016/09/29/ericsson-declared-fit-chicken-accident/
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Live stream?
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F1 website replay of the incident:
http://www.formula1.com/en/latest/h...g-fastest-as-renault-fire-delays-session.html
Video is at the bottom.
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Thanks. I'm gonna try to stay up for FP2. T-Minus 2hr 15m
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Max is fast also with delivering groceries:
Jumbo is a Dutch supermarket and obviously sponsor of Max. Now their competitor PicNic made a parody of this commercial and says when you leave on time you do not have to hurry to get your groceries on time. :
This is a Max lookalike who actually works at PicNic and drives in this "lorry". Max and his PR team are not that happy with this commercial. Therefor PicNic had to decide to withdraw this parody commercial.
Altough off topic, hopefully funny enough for those of us who do not get these kind of local messages. 99% of us
Back on topic: Malayasia P2 Mercedes and then the rest....
Jumbo is a Dutch supermarket and obviously sponsor of Max. Now their competitor PicNic made a parody of this commercial and says when you leave on time you do not have to hurry to get your groceries on time. :
This is a Max lookalike who actually works at PicNic and drives in this "lorry". Max and his PR team are not that happy with this commercial. Therefor PicNic had to decide to withdraw this parody commercial.
Altough off topic, hopefully funny enough for those of us who do not get these kind of local messages. 99% of us
Back on topic: Malayasia P2 Mercedes and then the rest....
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The design change is not done for aesthetic mesure, it's done to reduce aero drag so that car can follow each other better and so that we can have more overtake. So yes they are trying to give driver more weapon to make that cool move because obviously we always want more of them. Dont get me wrong, one of my favorite driver is Mansell because he was nuts behind a wheel he would make pass no one else have done and could do again, so yes I like overtake but you have to realize how f1 works and why they unable to pass other car a lot now. The current car are just generating too much dirty air.
As for the sound, I'm watching F1 since 1989 so I've seen most of the big area and it was never sound that impressed me, I'm a tech guy and that what's always interest me in f1 as well as driver personality and clash.
Back to the GP I hope Lewis can fight back and respond to Nico this week-end.
About FP2, Vettel doesnt seems to be too far and he loves this track, let's hope Ferrari can put their act together this week-end and do something that's gonna bother one of the Mercedes.
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If you wanted to do a proper parody commercial, you would have "Max" and "Kimi" as delivery drivers racing to get out of the car park first, only to get stuck when they arrive at the boom gate at the same time. While they glower and pout at one another "Nico" - a delivery driver from a rival supermarket - happily beeps his horn and waves as he drives past.
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That's a new work in progress commercial for a car insurrance company
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"Traction matrix"?
I'm reminded of Kaylee Frye from Firefly - "ain't nothin' wrong with your grav boot" - because the writers openly admitted to making stuff up that sounded technical, even though it meant nothing.
I'm reminded of Kaylee Frye from Firefly - "ain't nothin' wrong with your grav boot" - because the writers openly admitted to making stuff up that sounded technical, even though it meant nothing.
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Frequent and massive rule changes on a yearly basis really. Saw an end to refueling in that era, saw an end to V10s in that era, saw the end of treaded tires and back to slicks, saw massive changes between tons of aero and then not so much aero. Dimensional changes more so than now (2017 is quite big though) and yeah that's about what does it. I'd also venture to say that having many manufactures instead of essentially three and a half building engines also helped make thing competitive. I mean we had Honda, Toyota, BMW, Cosworth, Ferrari, Mercedes and Renault.
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Do they really practice a 5 second penalty during FP2. That's perfection in optima forma or just mad?
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You'd be wrong, considering any ties to Honda after 2009 were quite diminished, most of the team isn't even that of what Mercedes themselves brought along in 2010. It's shifted a long way since then. Also yes the car was of Honda extension to a degree, but it wasn't the actual 2009 competitor that Honda themselves had intended, so you'd also be wrong on the distinction that Mercedes GP of now totally owes itself to Honda. Also considering Mercedes long had a foot in F1 as a engine manufacture this seems strange to think they went full hog out of the blue because of Brawn.
http://www.racecar-engineering.com/articles/f1/hondas-secret-f1-car-revealed/
Here is a link I had saved of the 2009 competitor that was being built, and this same group is mainly responsible for today's power unit in the McLaren. I just find the comment strange it's be like saying RBR owe their success to Minardi for giving them the foundation.
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IIRC Honda had a bunch of different projects for the 2009 car and the Brawn was the Super Aguri version.
Also, RBR was Jaguar was Stewart.
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That's right, but you can forgive me considering Redbull did buy Minardi, just to make it the sister team we all know it as today.
For the Super Aguri part...
Eh if that's what the article says than okay, from what I remember it saying is that Brawn used a chassis design that Honda had, did heavy revisions to make it fit the Merc engine and then developed everything else, including the controversial DDD. However, none of that really maters since the point is, that there is far less in relation if at all between Mercedes of today and even before Brawn left to when Brawn worked for and saw the leave of Honda. Honda has absolutely no bearing on the Mercedes success. And unlike RB cars that have essentially all evolved from the RB5 to now, Merc cars have only done that since 2014 to now. So even if they bought it because of slightly designed Honda F1 car, their success today has no bearing due to it. I'd say there is probably more in common with today's McHonda and that of the 80s/late 90s McHonda than there is between what @Robin suggested. So no the credit to Honda can be given and I don't think even Honda would argue that.
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Is it just me, or is everything David Croft says about Lewis Hamilton today unintentionally homoerotic? He mentioned that Hamilton was "hanging loose", which prompted Ted Kravitz to point out photos that appeared in the tabloids this week which apparently show Hamilton in his birthday suit, then when discussing tyre selections for the race, he said "if I were Hamilton, I'd start on softs, then get hard".
That wasn't what the radio ban was trying to fix.
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Max is fast also with delivering groceries:
Jumbo is a Dutch supermarket and obviously sponsor of Max. Now their competitor PicNic made a parody of this commercial and says when you leave on time you do not have to hurry to get your groceries on time. :
This is a Max lookalike who actually works at PicNic and drives in this "lorry". Max and his PR team are not that happy with this commercial. Therefor PicNic had to decide to withdraw this parody commercial.
Altough off topic, hopefully funny enough for those of us who do not get these kind of local messages. 99% of us
Back on topic: Malayasia P2 Mercedes and then the rest....
This is amazing. Maybe Albert Heijn will come up with something like this next
I didn't catch FP2 so I'm not sure what was said or what the negative reception was but are you sure it wasn't "Traction
Metrics"? Because Mercedes have talked about that on the radio before and it was assumed it was just basic measurement of wheel slip.
