2016 MotoGP/ WSBK/ Road Racing ThreadMotorbikes

[Christian_C]

Wow, for once there's universal agreement on on track actions.

That can only mean that Marquez was so blatant in his actions that even the most rosey eyed of individuals wouldn't disagree that he gifted this race to Lorenzo and even went as far as to nearly crash with his teammate to secure his friend the championship.

MotoGP? More like Campeonato de motos Español!

Marquez let both his team and the sport down with his actions and really unmasked himself as the spoilt child most thought he was when he entered the top class.

 

[HKS racer]

Looking forward to see sponsors reaction when they'll realize nobody give a damn about this MotoGP farse.

 

[TRGTspecialist]

and even went as far as to nearly crash with his teammate to secure his friend the championship.

I don't necessarily disagree with your point, but if Marquez had crashed into Pedrosa and taken both of them out, that would have made Rossi champion

 

[Dennisch]

I don't necessarily disagree with your point, but if Marquez had crashed into Pedrosa and taken both of them out, that would have made Rossi champion

Now that would have been hilarious. Especially if it happened without Lorenzo noticing it.

 

[neljack]

 

[Dennisch]

Valentino Rossi has launched an astonishing attack against his MotoGP rivals Jorge Lorenzo and Marc Marquez, and is convinced that they colluded in the Valencia title decider to prevent him from winning the title.
Rossi's teammate Lorenzo scored a lights-to-flag victory to be crowned MotoGP champion for the third time on Sunday,

Although Lorenzo was under pressure from Repsol Honda rider Marquez for much of the race, Marquez didn’t make any clear attempts to overtake him.

Instead, Marquez blamed his teammate Dani Pedrosa for attacking his second place with a lap and a half remaining, and he repassed Pedrosa almost immediately.

Following the race, which Rossi started from the back of the grid after his controversial collision with Marquez in Malaysia, the seven-time champion launched his verbal attack to the media.

"Today everyone has seen their plan, this makes me sad and it's a very bad thing for our sport,” said Rossi. “I do not understand why a Honda rider allows Yamaha to win [the race]. I hope this behaviour in time turns against him.

“Lorenzo is a very good rider, it would be nice to battle on equal terms, but I think even he wouldn't be very happy to have won like this.

“I am sad that Marquez acted as bodyguard for Lorenzo. I had already said on Thursday, I was convinced that they would go to the end [with their plan], I was sure they would have conspired against me, as happened in football [Rossi has referred to the infamous so-called ‘Nordic fix’ match when Sweden and Denmark allegedly conspired to knock Italy out of Euro 2004].

“I don't know if Marquez protected Lorenzo because they are both Spanish, but it's sad he chose to be his bodyguard. Lorenzo has never done what Marquez did. But for his behaviour after Malaysia [when he attempted to join the court proceedings], he deserves to be treated like Marquez.

“I'm sad, a great opportunity has vanished and I did not deserve this.”

 

[svenhjs666]

Well,this was indeed very sad race from Marquez,he should have won it or at least tried to pass JL.Instead he cruised behind JL,i'm dissapointed with that.He was acting like a little child today.
But,yes there's a but,i don't like the conspiracy theory of VR pov,he provoced it by himself after the Australian GP imo.
VR did got what he wanted,that MM would choose JL's side.He has also guilt in this ....(i don't know how to say it).He has setted up MM against him,that's proved now.He is not only just the victim.

VR made a capital tactical mistake @ Misano imo,he should have switched bikes earlier,but he didn't.
Got away with it because JL crashed out.But still i believe that he lost the WC there,if he had pitted 2 or 3 laps earlier,he should have finished on the podium.

 

[Tired Tyres]

@Dennisch There nothing astonishing about that attack. He's completely right. Marquez did not attempt ANY even a "pretend" attempt to pass. He was a perfect rear gunner for Lorenzo.

When Pedrosa passed him and he get back in from of him, that allowed Lorenzo to open a little bit of a gap on the two Honda's. It took Marquez no time at all to close that gap up again.

 

[Dennisch]

@Dennisch There nothing astonishing about that attack. He's completely right. Marquez did not attempt ANY even a "pretend" attempt to pass. He was a perfect rear gunner for Lorenzo.

When Pedrosa passed him and he get back in from of him, that allowed Lorenzo to open a little bit of a gap on the two Honda's. It took Marquez no time at all to close that gap up again.

I should have said that it came from Motorsports.com...
But I completely agree. Marquez and Lorenzo were in it together. No doubt.

I just wonder how much Lorenzo paid Marquez.

 

[svenhjs666]

I should have said that it came from Motorsports.com...
But I completely agree. Marquez and Lorenzo were in it together. No doubt.

I just wonder how much Lorenzo paid Marquez.

I don't think that it is about money.

 

[Dennisch]

I don't think that it is about money.

Doesn't matter. Lorenzo and Marquez were scheming together, and that's just lowlife behaviour.
Marquez never tried to attack Lorenzo, and this became obvious when Pedrosa attacked for 2nd place, and all of the sudden Marquez found some extra power in his bike.

 

[Sick Cylinder]

I can't believe some of the things I'm reading on this thread. Lorenzo was the rightful winner of the title this year with 7 wins to Rossi's 4. In the race Lorenzo did 10 laps all within 0.1 - that is incredible consistency.

It didn't look as if Rossi had the pace to take it to Lorenzo today even if he hadn't started from the back - when he got through to 4th he wasn't able to make any inroads.

I'm not a fan of Rossi or any of the riders, but I respect them all immensely and have been a fan of bike racing since the days of Hailwood and Agostini - I just didn't see the race the same way that most of the people commenting on this thread seemed to see it.

 

[svenhjs666]

Doesn't matter. Lorenzo and Marquez were scheming together, and that's just lowlife behaviour.
Marquez never tried to attack Lorenzo, and this became obvious when Pedrosa attacked for 2nd place, and all of the sudden Marquez found some extra power in his bike.

Yes,true,i can admit that,MM's behaviour was discracefull.
But what do you think about everyone letting easely pass VR,no one made it really hard for him to pass,some of them did a poor effort to try to fight with him,is that 100% fair,not imo.And yes i know VR had a much better bike and is a better driver comparing to the ones he needed to pass.
It doesn't matter if VR suffered an unfair penalty in your opinion or in anyone else VR's fan opinion.

 

[Dennisch]

no one made it really hard for him to pass

Because they all knew it was a matter of time before he would pass them anyway. As you say he had the better bike. They would have gained nothing by fighting VR, he was going for the championship and they all knew. They also knew how Lorenzo and Marquez were teaming up. It wasn't just this race. They all knew.

 

[svenhjs666]

Because they all knew it was a matter of time before he would pass them anyway. As you say he had the better bike. They would have gained nothing by fighting VR, he was going for the championship and they all knew. They also knew how Lorenzo and Marquez were teaming up. It wasn't just this race. They all knew.

I've watched races where they did fight with him (for example @Qatar VR vs Doviziozo) even VR had the better bike,you still need to do your best and make it very hard for your opponent to pass you.

 

[A2K78]

This championship was tainted, that said Rossi should boycott the tainted nature by refusing his runner-up prize and attending the awards ceremony..its only way of sending Dorna and FIM message how tainted the championship has become.

 

[sems4arsenal]

I hope Dani mounts a title challenge next year, has been fantastic the last few races.

 

[Dennisch]

This championship was tainted, that said Rossi should boycott the tainted nature by refusing his runner-up prize and attending the awards ceremony..its only way of sending Dorna and FIM message how tainted the championship has become.

I think the Internet will help with that.

 

[Tired Tyres]

I can't believe some of the things I'm reading on this thread. Lorenzo was the rightful winner of the title this year with 7 wins to Rossi's 4. In the race Lorenzo did 10 laps all within 0.1 - that is incredible consistency.

It didn't look as if Rossi had the pace to take it to Lorenzo today even if he hadn't started from the back - when he got through to 4th he wasn't able to make any inroads.

I'm not a fan of Rossi or any of the riders, but I respect them all immensely and have been a fan of bike racing since the days of Hailwood and Agostini - I just didn't see the race the same way that most of the people commenting on this thread seemed to see it.

Utter rubbish. Do you actually think Rossi had magic tyres that wouldn't be used up letting him get up to 4th then close down a 10 second gap?

As for Lorenzo, I don't thing anyone has said he's not a worthy World Champion. He did what he was supposed to do. Win the race. It was Marquez that everyone has the issue with. He just didn't do anything at all to try and win. That's the whole problem people are having with this.

 

[Carbonox]

Or Rossi / Simoncelli, or Rossi / Iannone, or Barrichello / Burti...

Sometimes you just take someone under your wing and work together.
Some team bosses, sponsors and/or fans might not like it but that's
the way it is.

The difference is that all your examples involve a frontrunner helping an upcoming racer. Lorenzo and Marquez are both already up there, winning races for top teams. If they still need each other's (and the stewards') help these days to win a championship, I'm astonished at how pussified some forms of motorsports have become.

 

[JockeP22]

The difference is that all your examples involve a frontrunner helping an upcoming racer. Lorenzo and Marquez are both already up there, winning races for top teams. If they still need each other's (and the stewards') help these days to win a championship, I'm astonished at how pussified some forms of motorsports have become.

Good point.

 

[Mike Rotch]

A very sad end to what was a gripping season.

Sad for Lorenzo as he had the pace to come out on top of a fair battle with VR, but chose to try win it off the track and now it looks like he was assisted by MM instead of winning it "in a fair fight".

Sad for VR because the inevitability of having his margin being run down in the last few races got the better of him and he picked an argument with a boy with a massive ego instead of focusing on his opponent.

Sad for MM because he has chosen to settle scores from the past with another rider by riding outside the spirit of motor racing and because his denial of it makes it even more palpable.

 

[daan]

I think it's just the British attitude towards sport, really. I was watching the Rugby World Cup recently, and Britain had a fairly middling team,

Britain didn't compete in the RWC. Britain and England are not interchangable terms as you very well know as AUS beat ENG in the groups, then only scraped past SCO due to a dodgy referee decision.

My issue is that I view commentators as journalists, and so I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that they behave like journalists and call the races fairly and accurately.

No, you just have a chip on your shoulder about coverage coming from the UK, and you take every available opportunity to go on about it.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

No, you just have a chip on your shoulder about coverage coming from the UK, and you take every available opportunity to go on about it.

Not at all. I've watched streams from all around the world. Why do you think I complain about the British commentary and not the others?

Britain didn't compete in the RWC.

I know that. Nobody expected much of Ireland or Wales, and Scotland was an outside chance. All of the expectation was weighted on England.

 

[DK]

On a side note, I think this is the first time RTE's 6pm news has mentioned MotoGP in ages.

 

[doblocruiser]

And I thought only in football they "fixed" a match...

Sad day/week for Motorsport

 

[TRGTspecialist]

I can't believe some of the things I'm reading on this thread. Lorenzo was the rightful winner of the title this year with 7 wins to Rossi's 4.

I agree with this too, but as @Tired Tyres said the reason for disappointment is Marquez really seems to have interfered with the championship with his, er, "polarised" behaviour over the past two GPs. We can discuss the why's, how's and whether Rossi shares the blame for it until the cows come home, but at the end of the day it means we simply don't know what would've happened and who would've been champion had this whole mess not happened. It's one of the worst ends to one of the best seasons.

I know that.

Then why did you say "I was watching the Rugby World Cup recently, and Britain had a fairly middling team"?

Nobody expected much of Ireland or Wales, and Scotland was an outside chance. All of the expectation was weighted on England.

And why are you now suggesting Ireland is part of Britain?

 

[prisonermonkeys]

And why are you now suggesting Ireland is part of Britain?

Why do you seem to think that quibbling over semantics will somehow invalidate my point? I merely drew an allusion to the RWC to highlight a broader point: the appalling attitude towards sports from British commentators.

So let's go back to Moto3, and please point out how I am wrong about the quality of the commentary. Why should Hiroki Ono be treated like a criminal for keeping pace with Danny Kent when Kent was clearly riding conservatively? Why is it Ono's responsibility to ensure Kent maintains his position? Why wasn't Miguel Oliveira afforded the same treatment? Fenati and Vasquez and all of the others were out of the title fight, so why didn't the commentators call on them to hold position and give Oliveira the best chance of winning? How is it appropriate to express joy at an accident involving three riders and then neglect their well-being in the aftermath? And how would the situation have been handled if Oliveira had been leading the World Championship and Kent was the one chasing him?

I don't think that anyone could have reasonably have watched that race and thought that the commentary was fair, balanced and accurate.

 

[Mike-ZENKAI]

And again, if you don't like the commentary, change channel or use mute.

 

[Mike Rotch]

http://www.news.com.au/sport/motors...-valentino-rossi/story-fnec58gr-1227600925296

JL admits 'team Spain' helped him, how generous.