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[KWZX10]

That's encouraging to see a sponsor who actually cares about the integrity of the sport, instead of the usual only caring about political correctness.

I think it's funny that in his interview after Malaysia, Lorenzo thought a lot of people would lose repsect for Rossi as a "sporting man". Seems kind of the opposite has happened, with most people looking sideways at Lorenzo and Marquez

Part of me wants to buy into the tin hat theory where the whole field moves out of Rossi's way to go fight the two Spanish lovers...but then at the same time that would feel cheap in a way.

I definitely want to see Rossi ride through the field and take the title, but I too agree that he'll probably come up just short.

Fingers crossed that Pedrosa can run away at the front. Anyone think Marquez will gift a position to Lorenzo?

Everyone seems to be talking like Lorenzo has the win already locked up. I know Rossi still takes the title if he can finish 2nd in the race....but what if Lorenzo doesn't win?

I guess that's why his 🤬-ass has been crying to try to get Rossi parked

At this point,i think that nobody can really understand what's going on in his head.
If he do that, he will definitely ruin his image, and lorenzo too, forever...unless he will make it look like a real mistake

If Pedrosa [If Pedrosa can win, he will, no doubt about that] and him will do a good race, Lorenzo would be in trouble, since Valentino ''just'' need to finish in...6th place, if he's 3d. Even from last place, he can do that...hopefully.

If Marquez will be a piece of...ehm, a bad kid until the end, the only real hope would be Iannone [or Dovizioso] making the pole or at least first line...or, well, just in front of Lorenzo, with a good start and a [fair] fight in the first laps.

...Too many if...

 

[twitcher]

At this point,i think that nobody can really understand what's going on in his head.
If he do that, he will definitely ruin his image, and lorenzo too, forever...unless he will make it look like a real mistake

If Pedrosa [If Pedrosa can win, he will, no doubt about that] and him will do a good race, Lorenzo would be in trouble, since Valentino ''just'' need to finish in...6th place, if he's 3d. Even from last place, he can do that...hopefully.

If Marquez will be a piece of...ehm, a bad kid until the end, the only real hope would be Iannone [or Dovizioso] making the pole or at least first line...or, well, just in front of Lorenzo, with a good start and a [fair] fight in the first laps.

...Too many if...

Well put 👍

I think I will be cheering for Iannone, Divizioso, and especially Pedrosa as much as I'll be cheering for Rossi. I'll be cheering for anyone who isn't Lorenzo and Marquez...unless Marquez is ahead of Lorenzo...then "go Marquez "

 

[Carbonox]

unless Marquez is ahead of Lorenzo...then "go Marquez "

And then he suddenly loses drive which gives Lorenzo the chance to sneak past.

 

[twitcher]

And then he suddenly loses drive which gives Lorenzo the chance to sneak past.

Ya that's what I worry will happen.

Although, if anything like that does happen, it would tarnish Marquez's and Lorenzo's reputation even more....which at this point, I don't think either of them can afford too much more of.

 

[JockeP22]

I don't believe I have seen this posted in the thread.




Also here's the telemetry from when Marquez' crashed his bike at Sepang.

 

[twitcher]

Language Warning:

He definitely has a way with words

 

[adamp93]

I don't believe I have seen this posted in the thread.




Also here's the telemetry from when Marquez' crashed his bike at Sepang.

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Haha! It will be very interesting to see what Honda say on Monday, that's when they say they'll release the data from Sepang. They were planning on doing it yesterday but didn't want to interfere with the CAS investigation, but ironically the news broke during their press conference.

 

[A2K78]

Sector clearly did this on the notion of a now tainted championship. If anything one could imagine Alfa Romeo might be under pressure to follow suit.

Overrall we're now seeing the financial fallout and I'm quite sure Dorna don't like where this going.

 

[JockeP22]

Nicky Hayden does a brilliant job of protecting Vinales as the latter highsided moments ago in Q1.
Hayden actually had to make a complete stop on the track.

 

[Mike-ZENKAI]

Good action from Hayden. Hope next year with Ten Kate he can finally fight for some podiums again in WSBK.
IMO, he should have made the switch to WSBK a couple of years sooner.

Not a very good afternoon for Valentino to put it mildly.

Still very exited for the race tomorrow even thou I am not very optimistic on Vale's chances.
#99 can now only mess it up himself.

 

[Iceman220]

Rossi gets a lap down.
Crashes into lorenzo .
Both out of the race.
Rossi gets 4 penalty points for next race.
Rossi wins the championship.
Chapter closed.

 

[spyrrari]

Lorenzo on pole

...if Vale wins the championship tomorrow it has to be a crazy unreal race...lets hope for it


Go Vale!!



Spy.

 

[Peasantslayer]

Lorenzo on pole

...if Vale wins the championship tomorrow it has to be a crazy unreal race...lets hope for it


Go Vale!!



Spy.

Not necessarily, Lorenzo still has to get to the end. Stranger things have happened.

 

[Mike Rotch]

It would have been tough with Lorenzo not on pole, but this is really nearing the peak of impossibility. Anything can happen but shaping up for Lorenzo riding of into the sunset from pole...

 

[twitcher]

Maybe someone will run on track and throw a rotten tomato at him *fingers crossed*

 

[JockeP22]

11½ hours to go...

 

[Mike Rotch]

It went unnoticed, but Kent qualified in 16th or something. He leads Oliveira by 24pts but is doing his best to throw away the Moto3 title.

 

[Mike-ZENKAI]

It went unnoticed, but Kent qualified in 16th or something. He leads Oliveira by 24pts but is doing his best to throw away the Moto3 title.

Bit strange what he did the last couple of races. But he only needs 14th if Oliveira wins so he still has a good chance.
At least an easier task than Rossi.

 

[JockeP22]

Today is the biggest day of Broc Parkes career. He will line up next to Valentino Rossi on the grid. That won't ever happen again.

Something to tell the grandkids.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

He leads Oliveira by 24pts but is doing his best to throw away the Moto3 title.

I have never seen a racer who is as good at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory as Danny Kent. It's unfortunate that Oliveira stands to lose the title, even if he wins the race, should Kent score points. Kent's fundamental errors make me wonder if he's Moto2, much less MotoGP, material.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

I see the British bias is starting to seep in, and it's ruining a great race. Kent's lap times aren't great. He's nowhere near the pace of the front-runners, but apparently Ono has a responsibility to ride slowly because he can't be trusted around Kent - even though going by current form, Kent is more likely to be a danger to Ono than Ono is to Kent. And then when there's a nasty multi-rider high-side on the final lap, there's no concern for the well-being of the riders involved, just jubilation that Kent is champion.

 

[Mike Rotch]

I see the British bias is starting to seep in, and it's ruining a great race. Kent's lap times aren't great. He's nowhere near the pace of the front-runners, but apparently Ono has a responsibility to ride slowly because he can't be trusted around Kent - even though going by current form, Kent is more likely to be a danger to Ono than Ono is to Kent.

Simples. If MM is racing Rossi, RACE! If Ono is racing Kent, THIS IS BLASPHEMY!

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Simples. If MM is racing Rossi, RACE! If Ono is racing Kent, THIS IS BLASPHEMY!

I think it's just the British attitude towards sport, really. I was watching the Rugby World Cup recently, and Britain had a fairly middling team, but there was an assumptiom that they would be up there. I know everyone weighs expectations, but Britain always takes it one step too far. I get the impression that Brits feel that these sports owe them something. Doesn't matter if it's Formula 1, MotoGP, rugby union or soccer: if Britain is competing, then the sport owes them a good result.

The only sport they don't do it in is cricket.

 

[Tired Tyres]

I see the British bias is starting to seep in, and it's ruining a great race. Kent's lap times aren't great. He's nowhere near the pace of the front-runners, but apparently Ono has a responsibility to ride slowly because he can't be trusted around Kent - even though going by current form, Kent is more likely to be a danger to Ono than Ono is to Kent. And then when there's a nasty multi-rider high-side on the final lap, there's no concern for the well-being of the riders involved, just jubilation that Kent is champion.

The extraordinary PM bias is strong in this one. 👎 I take it no world champion has EVER had the cameras and commentary follow the contender rather that the race itself, other than EVERY time something like this happens.

Simples. If MM is racing Rossi, RACE! If Ono is racing Kent, THIS IS BLASPHEMY!

Tell me. How long have MM and Rossi been teammates?

 

[Mike Rotch]

Tell me. How long have MM and Rossi been teammates?

They haven't. I was more pointing out how these very commentators were moaning two weeks ago that anyone should be able to race championship contenders if they choose.

 

[GTP_Ingram]

Congratulations to Danny Kent on his Moto3 title

I see the British bias is starting to seep in, and it's ruining a great race. Kent's lap times aren't great. He's nowhere near the pace of the front-runners, but apparently Ono has a responsibility to ride slowly because he can't be trusted around Kent - even though going by current form, Kent is more likely to be a danger to Ono than Ono is to Kent. And then when there's a nasty multi-rider high-side on the final lap, there's no concern for the well-being of the riders involved, just jubilation that Kent is champion.

What do you expect? I don't see a problem with a national broadcaster showing at least a little excitement for a native competitor's success - regardless of the sport or the country. Some people have national pride, some don't. Whatever your opinion, it shouldn't come as a shock. And he's the championship leader, so regardless of which country he's from, he was always going to attract plenty of attention.

I know it doesn't matter now, but Re. Ono, you'd like to think it'd be basic manners to not make life any more tricky than necessary for your own team mate in a world championship fight. See how hard Brad Binder worked to help out Oliveira a few weeks ago? Or, to head a number of years back in Sepang, remember how Michael Schumacher drove a brilliant race to boost Eddie Irvine's chances in '99? Basic team mate stuff.

Your problem seems to be that you can't stand seeing any British sportsperson achieve any type of success. It's not as if you've even given any credit to Miguel Oliveira for his brilliant second half of the season - you just seem to want anyone to win as long as they aren't British.

 

[Dennisch]

you just seem to want anyone to win as long as they aren't British.

Sooooooo, PM's a racist?

 

[prisonermonkeys]

I take it no world champion has EVER had the cameras and commentary follow the contender rather that the race itself, other than EVERY time something like this happens.

So you see no problem with the commentators overtly taking sides and having double standards like this? Like Mike said, when Marquez was alongside Rossi, it was game on, even though Marquez was out of the title fight. But when Ono stayed in touch with Kent - he wasn't even racing Kent directly; he was just shadowing him - they expressed outrage and repeatedly insinuated that Ono was jeopardising Kent's championship and that the only responsible thing to do was to back off.

Your problem seems to be that you can't stand seeing any British sportsperson achieve any type of success

Not at all. I'm the leader of the Buttonites, and have been ever since 2000. My issue is that I view commentators as journalists, and so I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that they behave like journalists and call the races fairly and accurately. That feeling can be traced all the way back to the earliest races that I watched as a child, during the height of the Ford vs. Holden battles of the 1990s. There has never been a more partisan set-up in motorsports, but the commentators always made a concentrated effort to be balanced. They got excited by the racing, but they never took sides.

Now, I can understand and tolerate the commentators calling the races for a particular audience, but there is a line. Look at that final lap in Moto3: three riders went down, one of them high-sided, and there was bike-on-rider contact. It had the potential to be very nasty, and maybe even result in injury. Anyone would be concerned for their welfare; anyone, that is, except for the British commentators, whose immediately concern was their rider winning the championship, and who spent a full five minutes singing his praises before they even mentioned the downed riders. It was irresponsible at best. Think of it like this: what if Lewis Hamilton won the 2014 World Championship at Suzuka after Jules Bianchi's accident had been broadcast live, and the only thing that the commentators spoke about was Hamilton's championship win?

I am not opposed to British success. What I am opposed to is blatant bias in commentary, to the point where races are mis-represented. Like I said, Kent was doing similar lap times to Ono, and was nowhere near the pace of the front-runners - but the commentators made Ono out to be a criminal whose dangerous riding was a clear threat to Kent's title. Meanwhile, the footage showed Ono keeping pace with Kent, but never doing anything that could reasonably be called dangerous. It was a measured, mature ride; one of his best all year.

Having followed several sports, and getting commentary from multiple broadcasters, I can honestly say that the British commentary is consistently the worst in this regard. There is not simply bias, but a consistent attitude that British competitors are somehow entitled to things that everyone else has to work their backsides off to achieve.

 

[Carbonox]

Tell me. How long have MM and Rossi been teammates?

How long have Marquez and Lorenzo been teammates? They act like ones.

 

[JockeP22]

How long have Marquez and Lorenzo been teammates? They act like ones.

Or Rossi / Simoncelli, or Rossi / Iannone, or Barrichello / Burti...

Sometimes you just take someone under your wing and work together.
Some team bosses, sponsors and/or fans might not like it but that's
the way it is.