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That's complete bunk, Hunter-Reay lost it trying to make the pass on the inside. Marco was at no fault in this case.

Ryan Hunter-Reay had the inside of Marco in 1-2, and had the inside all the way down the back, Ryan was just under the assumption that Marco would give him the inside going into 3, and he did that, he just didn't give Ryan enough room.

Inexperience on both their parts.
 
Hm, perhaps. It's hard to say, as they're both blaming the other, true to typical IndyCar form.
 
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Congratulations to Scott Dixon for winning the 2008 Texas 550.

As for the accident between Marco Andretti and Ryan Hunter-Reay, I'm going to call it a racing accident. They were racing for position late in the race. Both drivers could've done something to avoid the accident.

And even if you don't like Marco Andretti, you gotta admit that he puts on a great show. It takes a lot of balls to run the high line next to the wall at over 200 MPH in an open wheel car! He races as aggressively as his legendary grandfather and father. I expect Marco to learn patience as he gains more experience. When that happens, expect him to win more races and contend for championships.
 
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Ryan Hunter-Reay had the inside of Marco in 1-2, and had the inside all the way down the back, Ryan was just under the assumption that Marco would give him the inside going into 3, and he did that, he just didn't give Ryan enough room.

Inexperience on both their parts.

I have to agree with that.

Technically Ryan Hunter-Reay was in the wrong because he made the mistake and hit Andretti, but Marco should have given him more room.

In sim racing I've been in that same position many times and the same thing has happened to me, I get pinched to the yellow line, I make a small mistake when there is no room for error when being pinched and touch the apron from the banking, I move up and touch the car above me and he goes spinning. I've even had it happen to me when I pinched someone.

TS is right, it was inexperience on both their parts that caused the crash. Next time Marco will give more room and Hunter-Reay won't drive so close to the line

Like KAMKA-Z I am forming an opinon on Marco Andretti but I'll give him more time to show it's inexperience that's causing him to crash
 
TS
Ryan Hunter-Reay had the inside of Marco in 1-2, and had the inside all the way down the back, Ryan was just under the assumption that Marco would give him the inside going into 3, and he did that, he just didn't give Ryan enough room.

Inexperience on both their parts.

I consider it Marco Andretii's fault fully. You cannot give some room on a superspeedway oval, and then close it on the turn. He was playing with fire and he caused a crash. RHR is the one that "crashed" by losing control, but it was caused by Marco Andretti.
 
I consider it Marco Andretii's fault fully. You cannot give some room on a superspeedway oval, and then close it on the turn. He was playing with fire and he caused a crash. RHR is the one that "crashed" by losing control, but it was caused by Marco Andretti.

You still have to consider that both drivers are inexperienced at superspeedways. Marco probably thought he gave Ryan enough room in 3, but he didn't.

Plain inexperience.

Anyway, this is about the time we should be talking about the race coming up at Iowa speedway this weekend.

I believe this is the 2nd IndyCar race at Iowa, and Dario Franchitti put on a dominating performance. What do you guys think we'll see this Sunday?
 
I didn't bother watching the race. It was so boring last year I expected no different this year. Another NASCAR oval that needs to get off the schedule.
 
Danica Patrick finished 6th in her return to the Midwest. More importantly, Dan Wheldon nets a good sum of money... and giving back some of the winnings to flood victims in Iowa. A math tutor at my community college is a friend of mine from Iowa. Eastern Iowa, to be exact. I didn't see the race because I fell asleep (not during the race, just very tired and a bit lazy). I'm being told that this year's race was better because of more passing. I felt that these cars on tracks like Iowa probably should never happen. And don't even get me started with that debackle(?) (to me) of a road course race around Iowa Speedway when Grand-Am raced there (Daytona Prototypes only).

Debate time! You ready?



John's Debate! - On a Smaller Scale?
Do you think the IndyCar Series should race on short tracks (defining as tracks shorter than one mile)? Are there some short tracks that are an exception?

I bring up the debate question because I remember what was said about the Iowa race last year in which the G-Forces were pretty high for the drivers. Then too, I don't think these cars and this kind of racing go very well with these Indy Cars. I sometimes think these formula-type race cars have no place on short tracks except Richmond. Even still, I'd hate to imagine these cars at Martinsville or Hickory. On top of that, I don't think these pure race cars were really designed for tracks like these. You wouldn't match up Risi Competizione vs. Flying Lizard at Lakeland, would you? You wouldn't match up all three Audi R10 TDIs from this year's Le Mans vs. the three Peugeot 908 HDi FAPs at Bristol, would you? Indy Cars are sophisticated (at least I think so), so why go to short tracks with these cars?

Congratulations to Dan Wheldon and happy belated birthday to him.
 
I didn't bother watching the race. It was so boring last year I expected no different this year. Another NASCAR oval that needs to get off the schedule.

You sir are mistaken on both accounts. I thought the race was incredibly exciting, a lot of side-by-side racing and passing, some different pit strategy towards the end killed it a little bit but I loved the battle that Helio and Tony Kanaan had early on.

Plus, this race isn't even on the schedule of any of NASCAR's big 3 divisions.

John's Debate! - On a Smaller Scale?
Do you think the IndyCar Series should race on short tracks (defining as tracks shorter than one mile)? Are there some short tracks that are an exception?

If the racing at Iowa gets better by the year, I think Iowa should stay on the schedule, but I'm still undecided on Richmond, some years its good, some years its bad.
 
TS
You sir are mistaken on both accounts. I thought the race was incredibly exciting, a lot of side-by-side racing and passing, some different pit strategy towards the end killed it a little bit but I loved the battle that Helio and Tony Kanaan had early on.

I don't know if you saw the race last year, but it was a horrendous crash fest that ended up with 7 or 8 drivers finishing and it was impossible to even close on the car ahead of you.

If it was different this year I don't know but I don't think I missed anything.
 
This year's Iowa 250 was much better than last year's Iowa 250! The track has been worn down and Firestone gave the teams different tires which allowed the drivers to pass.



As for John's Debate... Yes, IndyCars should race on short tracks! Short track races place more emphasis on driver skill as opposed to aero setup on speedway races. The drivers put on great races at the Milwaukee Mile, Iowa Speedway, and Richmond International Raceway. All 3 tracks draw great crowds. Hell, both of the IndyCar Series races run at Iowa have been sold out. Don't forget that the diverse variety of tracks (short tracks, speedways, superspeedways, road courses, street courses, airport courses) that make up the IndyCar Series is what makes this series the most challenging racing series in the world.
 
I don't know if you saw the race last year, but it was a horrendous crash fest that ended up with 7 or 8 drivers finishing and it was impossible to even close on the car ahead of you.

If it was different this year I don't know but I don't think I missed anything.

I saw the race last year, I saw the crash, but the race Sunday was astronomically better than last years race.

Like VNAF Ace said, the track got worn in after a year, Firestone brought different tires, the drivers got more comfortable with the cars around the track, and I think the racing will continue to improve at Iowa as the years go on.
 
TS
You still have to consider that both drivers are inexperienced at superspeedways. Marco probably thought he gave Ryan enough room in 3, but he didn't.

Plain inexperience.

Anyway, this is about the time we should be talking about the race coming up at Iowa speedway this weekend.

I believe this is the 2nd IndyCar race at Iowa, and Dario Franchitti put on a dominating performance. What do you guys think we'll see this Sunday?

Ah you are most likely correct. He *thought* he gave RHR enough room, but in reality he didn't. That would make sense to me.
 
Ah you are most likely correct. He *thought* he gave RHR enough room, but in reality he didn't. That would make sense to me.

That's where the spotter should've done a better job at letting Marco know (again, with his inexperience in mind) that Hunter-Reay had a nose on his inside.
 
INDYCAR: Impressive Guest List at Engine Summit
Written by: Robin Miller
06/27/2008 - 01:19 AM
Indianapolis, Ind.

There were manufacturers from Formula 1 and sports cars, a few familiar faces from open wheel racing and at least one new precinct represented in Wednesday's engine forum at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway.

And the numbers were equaled by the clout.

"It was a very positive meeting and we were happy with the quality and quantity," said Barnhart, who co-hosted the summit along with IRL commercial division president Terry Angstadt and Honda's Erik Berkman.

"We were very well represented with 14 or 15 engine manufacturers and race shop engine builders in the room. And it was a very positive meeting from all aspects. It probably exceeded our expectations."

Barnhart's optimism was justified considering the guest list.

SPEEDtv.com has learned that Audi, BMW, Chevrolet, Fiat, Mazda and Volkswagen sent representatives to discuss the future specifications for Indy car racing. Engine builders Cosworth, John Judd, Ilmor and AER were also in attendance.

The F1 contingent was led by Fiat, which owns Ferrari, Alfa Romeo and Maserati, and BMW, recent winners of the Canadian Grand Prix.

Fiat's interest is believed to be in bringing its new Alfa Romeo marque to the United States, where Alfas haven't been sold for many years. BMW, of course, has an active passenger car market in America.

Alfa powered Indy cars from 1989-91 but was woefully uncompetitive despite being aligned with Pat Patrick, Jim McGee and Morris Nunn.

Audi, fresh off its third consecutive victory at Le Mans, currently competes in the ALMS series with its powerful turbo diesel. Wolfgang Ulrich, head of Audi Sport, made the trip to Indianapolis, which raised the question regarding turbos.

The IRL has been a normally-aspirated series since 1997 but before that, every Indy 500 winner since 1968 had been powered by a turbocharged engine, which also dominated USAC in the 1970s and CART for three decades.

Barnhart didn't rule out going back to turbos.

"The best positives associated with it are two fold," he said. "One being with the diversity of the schedule that we run, it is a great power control and helps us adjust power levels. If we need a little more power on the street and road courses, we can certainly adjust the boost up. And if we need less power, we can turn it down and control the boost level down from that standpoint.

"And also you can't underestimate the second positive that is also just the sound. It's a natural muffler. With more road and street courses, city streets, that type of deal, it's nice to turn our adjustables down a little bit, and it's got a great sound to it."

Mazda, owned by Ford, has long been a regular in lower level sports car racing in this country and badges the engines used in the Formula Atlantic series.

Volkswagen, a staunch supporter of Super Vees in the early 1970s, has no active top-level motorsports program at this time other than its off-roading Dakar team.

Ilmor, which scored a dominating win in the 1994 Indy 500 with Roger Penske, helped Honda enter the IRL in 2003 and is still involved in rebuilds today.

Cosworth, with a storied history in major open wheel racing, is pretty much in limbo since Champ Car closed its doors last winter.

AER is an English company that builds sports cars engines for the likes of Rob Dyson, among others, while Judd had powerplants in CART during the 80s and 90s in addition to competing in other forms of motorsport, including F1 in the 80s.

Honda, which has spanked the competition so badly during the past several seasons it ran General Motors and Toyota out of the series, is currently the only engine supplier for Indy cars but desperately wants competition.

The IRL will change engine and car specs for 2011 and Barnhart admitted the fact there is now a united series had a lot to do with the interest level.

"I honestly think the participation level was higher than anyone could have imagined or I would have anticipated," he said. "And I would say it was clearly higher than it would have been had it not been for unification. It was so clear that the unification and positive direction of open wheel racing is what triggered the high level of interest of everybody that was in the room.

"What was most encouraging is that through the discussions there was clearly more agreement than there was disagreement. And a lot of energy for follow up and next meeting and a lot of common ground."

Angstadt said ideally the IRL would like to have its engine parameters set in stone by this fall so the next engine forum should be sometime in late August or early September.

http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/article/indycar-impressive-guest-list-at-engine-summit
It's starting to look like the 2011 IndyCar Series will feature multiple manufacturers building turbocharged engines! :D
 
Yeah, I read that on an IndyCar fan blog, but it only mentioned Honda and Cosworth as possible engine suppliers.

It looks like the IndyCar series is well on its way to becoming the very popular and successful CART series of the early 90s. :D
 
Let me comment a bit on the engine deal. My first (then) CART race I seen on TV (1998, G.P. of Houston) was a battle of Honda, Toyota, Mercedes-Benz (I forget if there was a fourth engine make then). A move to turbo engines will remind me a lot of Champ Car. I still consider the old Champ Car engines to make some of the sweetest engine music of any race car. I only smile knowing I'm listening to some sweet engine music. It used to be that (back to the IndyCar Series) campaigned Honda, Toyota, and "Chevworth" (Chevrolet with Cosworth). I even still remember how Honda couldn't win a race at their home track of Twin Ring Motegi until Tony Kannan won for Honda. Honda's been kicking every other engine make's asses as most of the other makes backed out.

So it looks like 2011 is where we'll be seeing some newer car and engine specs (make the Panoz DP-01 available for IndyCar NOW! ^_^ Or at least, next year. Don't let it die a miserable and insignificant death). Allow me to think about who would step up to the plate...


--- John's Engine Maker Speculation ---
* I don't think Honda's going anywhere as far as engine makes go. They've won in Indy Car and Champ Car. To back out would be silly. Why fix what isn't broken?

* Toyota would be very likely to take on the IndyCar Series. Wouldn't they just love to shut up Honda after being shown up by Honda? And I believe there's a race currently called... the Toyota Grand Prix of Long Beach. Surely Toyota would want to make some noise there where Toyota of America's based out in Torrance, CA (which I believe is in SoCal).

* An American series needs some American power. General Motors would be nice to see take on this series. The engines may be supplied by Chevrolet. Trouble is, I don't remember too many turbo Chevy engines in race cars. Chevy may tag along with some other racing constructor to make turbo Chevy engines should they compete.

* Ford has lots of involvement in motorsports, including the open-wheel scene. Remember the "Bridgestone Presents the Champ Car World Series Powered By Ford?" Would they make their own engines or look to some other race constructor? The blue oval boys would be pretty cool to see take on this challenge. Ford is likely to show up for engine makes for this series. Maybe about 60% likely.



I read about Audi, BMW, Chevrolet, Fiat, Mazda, and Volkswagen having been represented. I also read about representation from Cosworth, Judd, Ilmor, and AER. I don't know my engine builders too well, so I will not speculate too much on race constructors.



NOTE: I compiled the following material without reading all of the press release from Post #530. So far, I'm thinking of the older IndyCar Series days in which all of the past makes have their say. But what about other makes? Here's more speculation based on casual knowledge:


* Nissan would be interesting.

* Mazda. Winning everything from SCCA competition to Le Mans, I wonder what kind of engine Mazda could produce. Race tracks may REQUIRE ear plugs if Mazda came out with an interesting rotary-powered motor for the series.

* Mercedes-Benz been in Champ Car before. They don't have any real motorsports involvement in the United States. So it may be unlikely if Mercedes-Benz takes on this series in the future.

* With Alfa-Romeo returning to America, could the IndyCar Series be a good way to market their brand in the States? Their involvement would mean the first Italian make to supply engines for Indy Cars.

* I always think of sportscar racing with Porsche. In the past, Porsche power powered a March Indy Car (which is the fastest car in the 1990 PC game, "Stunts" or "4D Sports Driving"). They are very unlikely to give IndyCar a try. If anyone's giving Porsche any racing preference in the United States, remember two words: Flying Lizard.



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Now what am I looking for as far as representation? Simple. I'm thinking of the classic love triangle of USA vs. Japan vs. (Europe). I don't usually take a pro-American stance, but I think an American make is needed in a series mostly campaigned in the United States. Doesn't matter if it's Chevy or Ford. Same goes if Daimler-Chrysler gets involved (I do remember Skip Barber race cars powered by Dodge engines).





Good luck to all racers at Richmond this weekend. Some of the Champ Car regulars (as in the ones racing in Champ Car before the merger earlier this year) will have a rough time taking on this short track. I think Dan Wheldon or Scott Dixon will win this weekend. I still pull for Danica in every race. A second win for the black and blue #7 wouldn't hurt now, would it?
 
So it looks like 2011 is where we'll be seeing some newer car and engine specs (make the Panoz DP-01 available for IndyCar NOW! ^_^ Or at least, next year. Don't let it die a miserable and insignificant death). Allow me to think about who would step up to the plate...

I take it you didn't notice that John Herb was trying to qualify a honda powered Panoz DP01 at Indy for American Dream racing.


--- John's Engine Maker Speculation ---
* I don't think Honda's going anywhere as far as engine makes go. They've won in Indy Car and Champ Car. To back out would be silly. Why fix what isn't broken?

* Toyota would be very likely to take on the IndyCar Series. Wouldn't they just love to shut up Honda after being shown up by Honda? And I believe there's a race currently called... the Toyota Grand Prix of Long Beach. Surely Toyota would want to make some noise there where Toyota of America's based out in Torrance, CA (which I believe is in SoCal).

Why did Toyota then? They won a championship with Ganassi racing in '03 with Scott Dixon, it was rather odd.

* An American series needs some American power. General Motors would be nice to see take on this series. The engines may be supplied by Chevrolet. Trouble is, I don't remember too many turbo Chevy engines in race cars. Chevy may tag along with some other racing constructor to make turbo Chevy engines should they compete.

* Ford has lots of involvement in motorsports, including the open-wheel scene. Remember the "Bridgestone Presents the Champ Car World Series Powered By Ford?" Would they make their own engines or look to some other race constructor? The blue oval boys would be pretty cool to see take on this challenge. Ford is likely to show up for engine makes for this series. Maybe about 60% likely.

I would love to see Chevy back in the IndyCar series, and they are doing some turbo engines now in their street cars (Cobalt SS, HHR SS) and could possibly take that technology and develop it into an IndyCar engine.

Ford was only affiliated with Champ Car through cosworth who has done a lot of engine word for Ford's racing programs (most notably the WRC with the RS200 and Escort, and I think the Focus too)

NOTE: I compiled the following material without reading all of the press release from Post #530. So far, I'm thinking of the older IndyCar Series days in which all of the past makes have their say. But what about other makes? Here's more speculation based on casual knowledge:


* Nissan would be interesting.

* Mazda. Winning everything from SCCA competition to Le Mans, I wonder what kind of engine Mazda could produce. Race tracks may REQUIRE ear plugs if Mazda came out with an interesting rotary-powered motor for the series.

* Mercedes-Benz been in Champ Car before. They don't have any real motorsports involvement in the United States. So it may be unlikely if Mercedes-Benz takes on this series in the future.

* With Alfa-Romeo returning to America, could the IndyCar Series be a good way to market their brand in the States? Their involvement would mean the first Italian make to supply engines for Indy Cars.

* I always think of sportscar racing with Porsche. In the past, Porsche power powered a March Indy Car (which is the fastest car in the 1990 PC game, "Stunts" or "4D Sports Driving"). They are very unlikely to give IndyCar a try. If anyone's giving Porsche any racing preference in the United States, remember two words: Flying Lizard.

1. Nissan would probably only enter if they knew they could win, they've tried sports cars a few times with hardly any success (although in 1997 or 1998 they had 4 cars finish in the top 10 in the 24 hours of Le Mans)

2. There would be no way Mazda would be competitive with a rotary engine on road courses, even with turbos, rotary engines still have to get way up in RPM to make power.

3. Don't be so sure, the United States is a big, big market for Mercedes-Benz, and seeing how there isn't a USGP this year they could use the IndyCar series to promote their product.

4. It would be a good idea for Alfa Romeo/Fiat to enter, but unless if they started selling cars here it would make no sense.

5. Porsche had a go with Penske in the early 1980s, but aborted the program to focus on the development of the 956.

Good luck to all racers at Richmond this weekend. Some of the Champ Car regulars (as in the ones racing in Champ Car before the merger earlier this year) will have a rough time taking on this short track. I think Dan Wheldon or Scott Dixon will win this weekend. I still pull for Danica in every race. A second win for the black and blue #7 wouldn't hurt now, would it?

Don't be so sure of that either, there were 2 CCWS transition drivers in the top-10 last weekend at Iowa. (Will Power and Graham Rahal)
 
* Mazda. Winning everything from SCCA competition to Le Mans, I wonder what kind of engine Mazda could produce. Race tracks may REQUIRE ear plugs if Mazda came out with an interesting rotary-powered motor for the series.

Interesting to note: In Champ Car's final year, the Cosworth engine was branded as a Mazda. This would likely repeat itsself if it happened again.
 
To JohnBM01:

1. Honda, Ford-Cosworth, Mercedes-Benz, and Toyota were the 4 manufacturers that competed for the 1998 CART Manufacturers Champsionship.

2. Even though the Panoz DP01 is a better chassis for road/street racing, the smaller teams cannot afford to buy DP01s. The DP01 also needs new wings for oval racing and an air intake for the current naturally-aspirated Honda engine. Waiting until 2011 for an even better chassis is a better idea. That'll give the series and teams 2 more seasons to attract more fans and sponsors.

3. Honda has agreed to build IndyCar engines through 2013. [1] Note that Ilmor currently works with Honda [2]

4. The local Toyota dealers in the area sponsor the Toyota Grand Prix Of Long Beach. I hope Toyota returns as an engine manufacturer though.

5. Chevy built turbocharged IndyCar engines from 1980 - 1994. I know Chevy badged Ilmor engines, but I'm not sure if they ever built IndyCar engines themselves.

6. Nissan (under their Infiniti brand) built engines for the IRL from 1996 - 2002.

7. Alfa-Romeo has already built IndyCar engines in the past.
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To TS: Phil Giebler not Jon Herb drove for American Dream Motorsports at this year's Indy 500. And they used the Panoz G-Force, not the Panoz DP01.

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Phil Giebler's Panoz G-Force.

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Graham Rahal's Panoz DP01.
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To Jim Prower: Mazda never badged the Cosworth Champ Car engine in 2007. They did, however, badge the Formula Atlantic engine from 2006 - 2007.
 
To TS: Phil Giebler not Jon Herb drove for American Dream Motorsports at this year's Indy 500. And they used the Panoz G-Force, not the Panoz DP01.

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Phil Giebler's Panoz G-Force.

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Graham Rahal's Panoz DP01.

Interesting, I was wondering what was different about his Panoz at Indy.
 
Felt more like a Bangers Challenge, so many caution periods in the first half.
 
Tony Kanaan is the winner of The Suntrust Indy Challenge

Interesting stat about the Richmond race, every champion since 2001 (where the IndyCars started racing at Richmond) have won at Richmond except for Dan Wheldon (2005), Tony Kanaan (2004) and Sam Hornish Jr. (2001).
 
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