2016 Virgin Australia Supercars Championship - Results and TalkTouring Cars

[Pete05]

Slow doesn't equate to not fun. For all their speed, V8 utes weren't that entertaining.
I think they'll much quicker than the Ssangyongs(and the Toyota 86s). See if I can compare lap times for today's races.
http://www.ssangyong.co.nz/actyon-racing-series
These use a Mercedes petrol 2.3L and tread tyres.
If SuperUtes are using slicks, that's quicker times right there.

You got that right.

NP300- 140kW/450Nm 2.3L TT(3L V6 TD 170kw/550Nm discontinued)

VW- 120-150-165kW/550Nm 3L TDI V6

Triton- 133kW/430Nm 2.4-litre four

Ranger & BT-50- 147kW/470Nm 3.2-litre five-cylinder

HiLux- 130kW/420kW 2.8-litre four-cylinder

Colorado- 147kW/440Nm 2.8L four-cylinder

D-Max- 130kW/380Nm 3L four-cylinder

Great Wall Steed- 110kW/310Nm 2L four-cylinder

Correct. Anyone that remembers the Suzuki Swift one make series from 20 years ago or, dare I say it, the HQ Holdens & Formula Vees knows slow cars don't necessarily mean boring races.

 

[05XR8]

Those are just production specs, they can be increased, but with Ladder frame Chassis, i doubt they are going to be faster then the Toyota 86, unless they pulling some serious power and Chassis modification.

I referenced those for BOP purposes.
If the series is taking over for V8 Utes, I'm sure they'll make for them to be quicker around a circuit than an 86.
@Pete05 made mention, the Amarok would be capable of low 7s to 100. The 86(147kW/205Nm) is nearly .5s slower in a straight line.
The 86s are doing 1.15s around Pukekohe.
SsangYongs are in the low 1.30s.
Still trying to find power figures for that Mercedes 2.3L. Interesting to find the series will be run in the UK next year.

 

[Pete05]

Are Ssangyongs the only vehicles that, if they barrel rolled many times, couldn't possibly look any worse than showroom condition?
Definitely an acquired taste

 

[05XR8]

Too many weird angles on it.

Would be nice for a DJRTP podium maybe a 1, 2. Just gotta block the whole race.

 

[CodeRedR51]

What did I say. Red Bull 400...

 

[05XR8]

So close over a hot lap.

 

[mustafur]

I referenced those for BOP purposes.
If the series is taking over for V8 Utes, I'm sure they'll make for them to be quicker around a circuit than an 86.
@Pete05 made mention, the Amarok would be capable of low 7s to 100. The 86(147kW/205Nm) is nearly .5s slower in a straight line.
The 86s are doing 1.15s around Pukekohe.
SsangYongs are in the low 1.30s.

15 seconds is massive so you know, and the 86 is not even using Slicks.

The Acceleration is such a small part of the puzzle, like I said a ladder frame chassis is completely unsuitable for racing.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Thanks to Whincup it's now the Red Bull 300.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Penalty for Whincup for turning van Gisbergen around.

 

[05XR8]

15 seconds is massive so you know, and the 86 is not even using Slicks.

The Acceleration is such a small part of the puzzle, like I said a ladder frame chassis is completely unsuitable for racing.

The SSangYong isn't using slicks either.

As for chassis, I understand what works better. As for what VASC are doing in the next 6 months, the cost is going to be difficult to figure. In some models, the higher output engine isn't available in the 4x2. Will teams be buying dual cab 4x2s and purchase control engines? Or purchase the 4x4 with the h.o. and only use 2wd?
Is a SsangYong Series SsangYong Acyton going to be competitive as a SuperUte? Probably not.


DJRTP need help man.

Oh, well.

 

[GTracer38]

15 seconds is massive so you know, and the 86 is not even using Slicks.

Pretty sure the NZ 86 Series runs a slick tyre.

 

[05XR8]

86 run treads.

 

[GTracer38]

86 run treads.

I know they do in Aus, but I thought they ran slicks in NZ and also a treaded wet tyre...



Eh. Could be wrong though. 15sec between a sports car and a lightly modified 'pickup' isn't too unbelievable.

 

[LumpiestFish]

Supercars posted an article on Thursday or Friday that was a rundown of all the support events this weekend, and in that article it says something about the NZ 86's having slicks compared to the Aus 86's.

 

[05XR8]

This is what an 86 has in the Aust. website.

PERFORMANCE KIT

To maximise safety, performance, affordability and fair competition, Toyota Motor Corporation Australia (TMCA) and Neal Bates Motorsport (NBM) have developed a control specification kit. Control Items include:

• Engine
• Baffled oil pan insert
• Motec ECU with engine program
• Exhaust – headers/extractors and muffler
• Throttle stop
• Suspension – T86RS Front & Rear Shock absorbers and Springs
• Front anti roll bar links
• Brakes – AP Racing Front rotors & DBA Rear rotors
• AP Racing Front & Rear Callpers
• Tyres – Dunlop Direzza 225/40R18 DUNLOP DZ2 – 86 Spec
• Wheels – OZ Racing
• TRD Rear Spoiler
• Roll cage – T86RS NBM Control Specification

18% power increase(as per the website).

I'm actually beginning to look forward to the performance expectations.

 

[05XR8]

Just about a second faster than the rest. Never ever use this format again.


Hopefully Coulthard will have a better year next year.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Just about sums this weekend up.

Curious, has this series ever experimented with success ballast?

 

[05XR8]

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Just about sums this weekend up.

Curious, has this series ever experimented with success ballast?

Not as far as I know.
I'd take reverse grids over weight penalty.

 

[Pete05]

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Just about sums this weekend up.

Curious, has this series ever experimented with success ballast?

Never in the 56 year history of the ATCC/Supercar Championship has there been success ballast.
The minute they start rewarding success with a penalty, I'm done & I won't be the only one either.

 

[Spacegoat]

Never ever use this format again.

A thousand times this. Hopefully this weekend makes the supercars higher ups finally realise that this format needs to go away, forever.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Never in the 56 year history of the ATCC/Supercar Championship has there been success ballast.
The minute they start rewarding success with a penalty, I'm done & I won't be the only one either.

Nobody seems to mind for SuperGT.

In any case it was just a thought. It's not good for the series when one team locks out the pole in all 4 qualifying sessions, and takes the top 2 spots in 3 of the 4 races. The one exception being Whincup's screw up and they would have shared a podium for every race.

 

[05XR8]

We were all happy seeing different race winners through to Bathurst. T8 just turned up the speed this weekend. What's up with the pace of DJRTP? PRA did okay with their top 2 drivers. Nissan & HRT were stuck like everyone else. GRM was there as well. Only teams to dominate weekends like this, were GRM & BJR.
As much I dislike T8, all the other teams have no excuses.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Something will have to happen. I don't watch F1 for this very reason.

 

[Pete05]

Nobody seems to mind for SuperGT.

In any case it was just a thought. It's not good for the series when one team locks out the pole in all 4 qualifying sessions, and takes the top 2 spots in 3 of the 4 races. The one exception being Whincup's screw up and they would have shared a podium for every race.

Well it's just a case for whoever is getting beaten to work harder just like Prodrive did last year, DJR did in 2010, 888 did to knock off SBR, SBR did to knock off HRT & so on. Supercars aren't like F1 where a team has exclusive use of the 'magic part'.

 

[05XR8]

Something will have to happen. I don't watch F1 for this very reason.

Supercars aren't like F1 where a team has exclusive use of the 'magic part'.

I don't like RBRA nominated by Holden, as the only developer of the NG Commodore. This move is very much like MB getting that head start and everyone having to play catch up.
DJRTP probably want to be ready, which is good(I'm dreaming, but would be nice if Ludo is there to develop the Mustang).
Nissan are kind of stuck with what they have until they make a decision on a package. Whatever it is, needs to be done now.

Sad thing, GRM probably could take the #1 next year. If only.

 

[CodeRedR51]

This move is very much like MB getting that head start and everyone having to play catch up.

I didn't think about that but I do agree. Holden are well on their way to a new car and as far as we have heard, nobody else has any clue as to what they are doing in 2018.

 

[Pete05]

I didn't think about that but I do agree. Holden are well on their way to a new car and as far as we have heard, nobody else has any clue as to what they are doing in 2018.

Ford have pulled out so they don't give a rat's clacker. Too bad some teams choose to use their cars.
Nissan have already said they'll be using their existing engine for the next 3 years despite its poor fuel economy and having a catalog of options available to them.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Ford have pulled out so they don't give a rat's clacker. Too bad some teams choose to use their cars.

And some may continue to do so. Doesn't mean they couldn't have started work on a new car right now.

 

[Pete05]

And some may continue to do so. Doesn't mean they couldn't have started work on a new car right now.

Exactly. Those Ford teams know precisely the same amount of rules for Gen2 as everyone else.
If they aren't working on their Gen2 cars now, that's their decision & if they start the Gen2 era behind the eight ball, they'll have no one to blame but themselves.
Same goes for every team up & down pitlane.

 

[05XR8]

And it still winds up being about the Force Indias and Toro Rossos and MRTs that have to wait and to get the equipment with minimal testing.

Which makes me admire the GRM operation. They don't play around with their racing.
Garry's not falling more Roland's banana in the tailpipe gag. He's getting his own cars.