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It's definitely an improvement on the sides, but I would have preferred it if they had kept the red on the nose and rear wing.
2017 F1 Constructor technical info/developmentFormula 1
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Yea the red nose looked good at least. I just want that awful grey out of there. Do you think they thought some kind of combination of red, white, and blue would be too on the nose for an American team? I know it's been awhile since there was an American F1 team but we should celebrate it.
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Possibly. Gene Haas wants to promote the team as a serious, professional outfit. While he is American and the team competes under an American licence, it's not the cornerstone of their identity.
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Ross Brawn has been the driving force behind rule changes designed to get all teams representation in the Strategy Working Group:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/129635/brawn-pushed-through-strategy-group-change
The man gets things done.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/129635/brawn-pushed-through-strategy-group-change
The man gets things done.
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Aren't the colours the same as Haas milling machines (or whatever it is Haas machines actually do)? I agree though, they're pretty dull.
It was a good move if it breaks the top three's stranglehold on the rules.
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- HamiltonMP427
@TenEightyOne yes horizontal end mills, but also lathes as well. They're CNC machines.
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- catamount39
There's being a professional outfit, and then there's having a really ****y paint job. The Haas car isn't exactly ****, but it's literally the dullest paint job on track. The white nose is neat....but it's crap on a totally gray car.
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I'm still wondering how a livery change amounts to "technical development".
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I couldn't find a general thread and it didn't seem relevant to Spain or business. I did admit I didn't know if it was the right thread or not.
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Doesn't matter now, it's probably just better left to a GP thread or it's own thread in the future.
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I think that's the plan.
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No hybrid? Hell yes. No turbo? Well a turbo can be a bundle of fun, so as long as it's insane sure.
Hybrids relevant eh? So do tell of Indycar's plans of hybrids in 2020 and how GTE's will have hybrids in 2020 as well.
Relevant, does not always equal wanted or desired, in motorsport.
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Keep the turbos, ditch the hybrid systems and add an Indycar-style push-to-pass.
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Well I bet Chevy and Honda would have an argument to that. Wonder why they went to V6T's in the first place...oh that's right, because Honda and Chevy wanted something more relevant to what they made for street cars.
FTFY. This hybrid business is even causing problems with LMP1 costs in the WEC. It's been made WAY too complicated and expensive. Ditch it. There's no point. F1 has about as much to do with road cars as Super Formula in Japan and Indycar here in the U.S. Everybody has this fetish of F1 relating to road cars, well, pray tell, what was the relevance to road cars when we had fan cars in the late 70's, and blown diffusers in 2011/12? Its about the fastest open wheel cars on the planet. The costs are ridiculously high and have not gotten better since the 2009 introduction of hybrid systems. The hybrid system is a part of that problem.
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I have no issue with them being turbocharged, so I'd be happy to keep that, though I wouldn't mind the whole hybrid gubbins being ditched, (though TBH I'd be surprised if it was, but would be happy if so). I think Brawn is the man to bring such technical changes, have being on both sides.
As mentioned, the hybrid aspect is the most costly and "difficult" aspect of the package, and as LMP1 show's it's causing issues cost wise there. Otherwise, I'm not too fussy, just raise the RPM limit maybe, and these V6T's would sound even better, as I must admit, they've been growing on me year after year. Personally I think the Ferrari PU sounds really nice, but anyway...
As mentioned, the hybrid aspect is the most costly and "difficult" aspect of the package, and as LMP1 show's it's causing issues cost wise there. Otherwise, I'm not too fussy, just raise the RPM limit maybe, and these V6T's would sound even better, as I must admit, they've been growing on me year after year. Personally I think the Ferrari PU sounds really nice, but anyway...
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Who mentioned Indycar or GTE? Not me, I think you must have squinted
This is the F1 Technical thread and we were discussing an area of development where the manufacturers involved have stated road car relevancy as one of their primary drivers.
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Spiraling engine costs don't affect the teams that overspend on lavish infrastructure, they're already rich.
They affect the potential entrant or the debt ridden backmarker team on a budget, who do not overspend on such infrastructure.
That said, the current engine technology shouldn't be abandoned just because it's costly now, or doesn't sound as good anymore. In time the technology will be chesper with further developement. It's the exact kind of technological relevance F1 has missed for decades since, perhaps, active suspension and driving aids were banned.
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I don't care what they do, I would definitely like to see more teams become competitive - something that is not going to happen with the immense amount of spending going on. Imagine an F1 season with 4-5 competitive teams with drivers capable of winning. It'd be incredible (and sadly probably drive out a few teams who are only interested in being likely top dogs).
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Wrong comparison first off, the units in F1 might as well be spec, LMP1 gives far more variety. So what have you a sport that allows variety or one that doesn't and you complain either way because you simply hate advancement and wish it was still the 70/80s of racing?
The technologies you describe are obviously race driven to go faster, no one said the entire car needs to be road relevant, hence why manufactures really rule the series. The engine choices we get are based on their desire not the teams that run everything. It's quite a leap on your part to paraphrase you "well such and such isn't ever going to be on a road car so clearly the series doesn't care about road cars, thus it's a (implied) excuse."
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New episode about this developing story. RBR/Horner wants (or better said: demands) an independent engine in 2020
One of the sources: https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-needs-independent-engine-2021-horner-909376/
One of the sources: https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-needs-independent-engine-2021-horner-909376/
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The thing is though when was the last time an independent engine even worked out?
At best they might be close enough but it's highly unlikely it will be a good engine relative to the rest. If big Car companies such as Renault or Honda struggle I fail to see if it would even be an option for a team such as RedBull.
At best they might be close enough but it's highly unlikely it will be a good engine relative to the rest. If big Car companies such as Renault or Honda struggle I fail to see if it would even be an option for a team such as RedBull.
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As nice as that sounds, i can't remember a time in the 40 or so years i've followed F1 when there were any more than 2 or 3 teams with genuine season-long competitiveness. Unless you make it a spec-series or at least have a spec engine that all the teams use, there are always going to be just 2 or 3 teams per season with a shot at the title.
Back in the pre-turbo DFV days there may have been more teams capable of winning a race or two, but the regulations were loose enough allow a greater scope of innovations, so the teams with the brightest designers could muster up a better chassis to harness that nearly-spec engine, so you still only ended up with 2 or 3 teams that could put together a decent championship-winning effort.
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