2017 F1 Constructor technical info/developmentFormula 1

[EngieDiesel]

Except Mercedes, obviously. It's cost them two front row places out of the last two races.

Though Mercedes is just saying that it's the fluid in the gearbox moving around in unpredictable ways, not vibrations. Which now makes me wonder how many times a driver's been robbed of a victory due to some fluid sloshing the wrong way at the wrong time, cause that's something I'd never really thought about before aside from an engine getting starved of oil.

And going back and reading it again, I'm still not quite sure if Honda is saying that it's the car itself that's introducing more vibrations, or if it's the engine is vibrating more than expected because the dyno test car is different from the one on the track, or possibly both.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

So while not directly in relation to 2017, I found it interesting in relation the the technical development side of things, and particularly how much a car effects its own performance outside of the engine and vice versa. It also gave me something to think about that I never really did with teams who switched from Cosworth to a big name manufacture.

http://f1news.autoroad.cz/novinky/8...s-mercedesem-proc-nemel-dobrou-povest#English

 

[daan]

Though Mercedes is just saying that it's the fluid in the gearbox moving around in unpredictable ways, not vibrations. Which now makes me wonder how many times a driver's been robbed of a victory due to some fluid sloshing the wrong way at the wrong time, cause that's something I'd never really thought about before aside from an engine getting starved of oil.

And going back and reading it again, I'm still not quite sure if Honda is saying that it's the car itself that's introducing more vibrations, or if it's the engine is vibrating more than expected because the dyno test car is different from the one on the track, or possibly both.

It baffles me that they don't know how to stop fluids from sloshing around.

 

[desmodan]

Fluid moving around ? I thought the gearboxes used some form of pressurised dry sump setup ?

As far as Honda saying it's not all their fault , I've got some sympathy there , as there is rarely one fault with complex issues like that car is experiencing .
It could even be down to some weird ass changes in air pressure as the car moves . And that would be maclarens screw up not Honda . Pure spitballing , but if I'm even close I'm expecting a big fat cheque in the post .

 

[aarror]

The halo has failed to meet the FIA's standards on driver extraction, so they've changed them.

This is exactly what I was worried about. Improving cockpit safety at the expense of driver extraction isn't an improvement at all. I may have seen this coming, but it's something I'd rather have been wrong about.

 

[catamount39]

The halo has failed to meet the FIA's standards on driver extraction, so they've changed them.

This is exactly what I was worried about. Improving cockpit safety at the expense of driver extraction isn't an improvement at all. I may have seen this coming, but it's something I'd rather have been wrong about.

The fact they raised the time to just allow the halo is absolutely disgusting.

 

[DesertPenguin09]

The fact they raised the time to just allow the halo is absolutely disgusting.

Seriously. I guess they can just redefine the definition of safety whenever they see fit

 

[Liquid]

Recalibrating driver extraction times to accommodate a feature most teams don't want and many consider unnecessary. Smart.

 

[TheElbows]

Yep...I'm more interested in what happens in the first incident where a HALO system breaks and injures or traps a driver. It seems thoroughly possible given its location. I just highy doubt that a high speed impact will be stopped by the HALO in all instances - potentially turning it into more debris around the driver's head and torso.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

Sauber will not run Honda engines in 2018. Still unclear on whether they will stick with Ferrari or seek out a deal with Mercedes or Renault.

A big let down for Honda and McLaren, they could really benefit from two extra cars running the Honda power unit, but I don't blame Sauber for not wanting to run them.

 

[TheElbows]

Jeebus, let's toss some more fuel on that dumpster fire. Good choice in the long run - though I would be really curious how cheap the offer got prior to them backing out. Honda could have offered them engines for damn near free.

 

[BrainsBush]

Sauber will not run Honda engines in 2018. Still unclear on whether they will stick with Ferrari or seek out a deal with Mercedes or Renault.

A big let down for Honda and McLaren, they could really benefit from two extra cars running the Honda power unit, but I don't blame Sauber for not wanting to run them.

Sauber will still use Ferrari engines, gearbox etc. but better versions
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/sauber-renews-ferrari-engine-deal-935309/

And probably a junior Ferrari driver(Giovinazzi) in a Sauber as part of the new deal. What about Wehrlein? Mercedes?


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And the new halo 2018 will have build in cameras and each team will have the 'freedom' to add little aero details to the halo.

Max thinks halo is his new steering wheel?!

 

[Dennisch]

I want to see a test where they fire a large heavy piece of debris onto the halo. I can see that thing snapping and impaling itself in the helmet of a driver.

 

[BrainsBush]

I want to see a test where they fire a large heavy piece of debris onto the halo. I can see that thing snapping and impaling itself in the helmet of a driver.

Like that spring launched at Massa which missed him luckily by a centimeter. Halo does not avoid that

 

[Pete05]

I want to see a test where they fire a large heavy piece of debris onto the halo. I can see that thing snapping and impaling itself in the helmet of a driver.

Yes, and I want the person/people responsible for giving us 2018 halo cars, to have to sit in the car as those large heavy objects are launched at the halo.

If they have faith in their decision, they shouldn't have the slightest problem with this concept at all.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Like that spring launched at Massa which missed him luckily by a centimeter.

The one that smashed through his helmet at brow level and nearly killed him, you mean? If that's a miss then it was a poor one.

 

[Liquid]

Or the suspension piece that fatally killed Senna by piercing his helmet?

 

[BrainsBush]

The one that smashed through his helmet at brow level and nearly killed him, you mean? If that's a miss then it was a poor one.

Sorry my mistake. I mixed up two accidents with 'debris'. Felipe in Hungary was a very serious one and luckily he can still race.


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It looks like RedBull is more competitive after the upgrades. Which is about time.
Or are Ferrari and Mercedes holding of and not showing all they've got?
I think Mercedes is running at 80%

 

[Cap'n Jack]

It looks like RedBull is more competitive after the upgrades. Which is about time.
Or are Ferrari and Mercedes holding of and not showing all they've got?
I think Mercedes is running at 80%

Red Bull were always expected to be strong here, regardless of their major update, due to the high downforce nature of the circuit, much like Monaco and Singapore.

 

[Jimlaad43]

By missed I think he meant it misses the halo

 

[desmodan]

As Jean Marie Balestre once said .
" The best decision , is MY decision "

 

[Liquid]

With regards to the halo, maybe the drivers should ask Heinz-Harald Frentzen and Jarno Trulli what it was like driving with this "wing" right in front of them at Monaco.

 

[TheElbows]

Let's bring back a cool shark-nose paintscheme while we're at it.

 

[EngieDiesel]

With regards to the halo, maybe the drivers should ask Heinz-Harald Frentzen and Jarno Trulli what it was like driving with this "wing" right in front of them at Monaco.

Things like this are why I'll always be interested in racing aerodynamics. It's still very much mad science in the ways people try to squeeze in that extra .01% more grip.

I can't help but imagine that at some point, someone tried to pitch the idea of putting a pole-mounted wing onto the top of a driver's helmet because the downforce would be closer to the car's center.

 

[TenEightyOne]

With regards to the halo, maybe the drivers should ask Heinz-Harald Frentzen and Jarno Trulli what it was like driving with this "wing" right in front of them at Monaco.

It didn't matter because Bernie hated it. Clearly those times are past

Let's bring back a cool shark-nose paintscheme while we're at it.

I think it's a snake (from my memory of B&H advertising), but I could be wrong. Imagine such a thing.

 

[NFSCARBON1]

I think it's a snake (from my memory of B&H advertising), but I could be wrong. Imagine such a thing.

Pretty certain that is the shark, the cars were run with 'Bitten Heroes' sponsorship where tobacco sponsorship was disallowed.
The Snake was older and ran with 'Bitten and Hisses' and of course there was the 'Buzzin Hornets' livery

 

[TenEightyOne]

Pretty certain that is the shark, the cars were run with 'Bitten Heroes' sponsorship where tobacco sponsorship was disallowed.
The Snake was older and ran with 'Bitten and Hisses' and of course there was the 'Buzzin Hornets' livery

You're right... it's a shark

 

[Dylan]

Toro Rosso considering moving to Honda possibly

 

[RazorSharkz]

Toro Rosso considering moving to Honda possibly

It can only benefit both Toro Rosso and Honda. Toro Rosso gets an up to date engine and Honda gets more data and development.

 

[EngieDiesel]

Toro Rosso considering moving to Honda possibly

Guess it makes sense, this way RBR has a year to see firsthand if Honda shapes up enough by the time their own engine contract runs out in 2018, and maybe provide some direct input if needed.