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I thought someone would post these
https://www.motor1.com/news/175854/f1-cars-2025-renders/
https://www.motor1.com/news/175854/f1-cars-2025-renders/
2017 F1 Constructor technical info/developmentFormula 1
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I thought it'd be different cars, not the same one with replicated '96 livery of three different cars. For the base car itself concept wise it looks nice, a more realistic version of the X RBR. However, not sure I see it being realistic or not option by 2025.
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Pete05
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I gotta admit, I wasn't expecting to see a Marlboro McLaren & Rothmans Williams as liveries
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Everyone wants new cars with old liveries - It says a lot about the current breed of livery designers really!
I "like" the concept car itself but there are too many fins, especially the... barge boards?... behind the front wheels.
I "like" the concept car itself but there are too many fins, especially the... barge boards?... behind the front wheels.
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The tyre compound issue is not an easy debate due to the amount of variables , but a bigger difference between the options , whatever they may be , would definatly open up more options with strategy .
But the biggest thing I'd like to see changed is getting rid of the current clown tyres . There is now so much mechanical grip available that overtaking , other than with drs , is now almost impossible .
A reduction in tyre footprint however would have seen the drivers needing to exercise much more skill and control while braking into a corner and then accelerating out of it
But the biggest thing I'd like to see changed is getting rid of the current clown tyres . There is now so much mechanical grip available that overtaking , other than with drs , is now almost impossible .
A reduction in tyre footprint however would have seen the drivers needing to exercise much more skill and control while braking into a corner and then accelerating out of it
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I don't, so that's that
I agree that it would be nice to see some more striking liveries - I guess the problem is that there are few big sponsors taking on such a bulk of the budget now.Two of the fins seem to be producing negative downforce, looks very odd.
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I think the problem with modern liveries is quite simple...they're designed by someone on a PC screen to look good in promo shots - with very little consideration given to how the cars look from the grand-stand or on TV. If you look at a TON of the liveries present in motorsport, you need to be standing next to the car or looking at a high-res monitor screenshot to appreciate or understand it.
To stand out on TV or at the track the car needs broader, large, more definite shapes and colours. A livery should ideally be noticeable and attractive (or at least one of the two). You remember liveries because they were one of those two things - and yes, occasionally both. Think about the pink pig, that Porsche etc. Not particulary attractive but immediately recognizable at almost any distance - and memorable because of it. I just think you have a bunch of graphic designers trying way too hard - and these designers very likely have no background in advertising, etc.
Look at how the black/red/white liveries of Audi, Toyota, and Porsche all but disappear into each other at LeMans. That's just sad. Luckily this is less the case this year in Formula 1 than it has been in a decade or more. I was very happy to see such striking/different schemes on the majority of the cars (and very happy to see Torro Rosso finally split away from the matching colour scheme of Red Bull etc.).
To stand out on TV or at the track the car needs broader, large, more definite shapes and colours. A livery should ideally be noticeable and attractive (or at least one of the two). You remember liveries because they were one of those two things - and yes, occasionally both. Think about the pink pig, that Porsche etc. Not particulary attractive but immediately recognizable at almost any distance - and memorable because of it. I just think you have a bunch of graphic designers trying way too hard - and these designers very likely have no background in advertising, etc.
Look at how the black/red/white liveries of Audi, Toyota, and Porsche all but disappear into each other at LeMans. That's just sad. Luckily this is less the case this year in Formula 1 than it has been in a decade or more. I was very happy to see such striking/different schemes on the majority of the cars (and very happy to see Torro Rosso finally split away from the matching colour scheme of Red Bull etc.).
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I don't, so that's that
Exactly, but my main issue with the overuse of old classic liveries in renders is that they are used more to get attraction for a render or concept, and less about the actual concept. Which is why I was annoyed to see 3 liveries, rather than 3 different concepts.
What's negative downforce? Unless you're talking about lift
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I guess my thinking was that I was looking for downforce... I meant "lift" in an engineery sort of way
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Maybe everybody really is pulling a prank on Honda. 
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Must be fun to be an engineer at Renault. "We're not doing any engine upgrades for this year, any upgrades will be seen in 2018", "We are bringing an engine upgrade to Canada or Silverstone", "We are not bringing an upgrade to Canada or Silverstone"
And now the newest one. Is two power upgrades "will be seen" for Spa and Monza. This means new software and parts.
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2017/08/21/renault-bringing-engine-upgrades-next-two-races/
Now this may actually get done since the car seems to be at the end of it's upgrade cycle for the season, with focus soon shifting to next year's car. The major upgrades at the British GP for them were what was holding all other advancements to the car up. Now that it is set perhaps the engine upgrade will actually come through.
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/131283/renault-paused-development-for-drastic-change
Enclosed turning vanes
Bigger and more detailed Barge boards, and significant under body work. Supposedly giving a gain of two to three tenths.
And now the newest one. Is two power upgrades "will be seen" for Spa and Monza. This means new software and parts.
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2017/08/21/renault-bringing-engine-upgrades-next-two-races/
Now this may actually get done since the car seems to be at the end of it's upgrade cycle for the season, with focus soon shifting to next year's car. The major upgrades at the British GP for them were what was holding all other advancements to the car up. Now that it is set perhaps the engine upgrade will actually come through.
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/131283/renault-paused-development-for-drastic-change
Enclosed turning vanes
Bigger and more detailed Barge boards, and significant under body work. Supposedly giving a gain of two to three tenths.
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Sauber explained the reason the Honda deal was called off:
Apparently the reason the Toro Rosso deal was called off is also because they weren't sure if Honda was staying with McLaren or not for next year. So I'm guessing Honda won't be able to strike a deal with anyone until they decide to either commit or quit with McLaren, but by that point it'll probably be too late to arrange anything in a reasonable amount of time.
Apparently the reason the Toro Rosso deal was called off is also because they weren't sure if Honda was staying with McLaren or not for next year. So I'm guessing Honda won't be able to strike a deal with anyone until they decide to either commit or quit with McLaren, but by that point it'll probably be too late to arrange anything in a reasonable amount of time.
Pete05
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Apparently Alonso has given McLaren an ultimatum:
Me or Honda.
Now, if they chose Alonso, I can't see anything other than Honda bowing out of F1 in disgrace & sheer embarrassment.
If, on the other hand, McLaren see more of a future with the Japanese than Alonso, then the rebuild continues.
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Considering that staying with Alonso would mean the team has pay out of pocket for their engines and also locate a new main sponsor, I reckon it'll come down to how confident they feel about their bank account over the next couple years.
There's also the fact that neither Ferrari nor Mercedes wants to supply them, and Renault isn't that keen on taking on another client team. Although that can't even happen in the first place unless Honda leaves, because engine manufacturers can't supply more than three teams without special permission from the FIA, which I imagine is only granted in extreme circumstances like, well, having your current supplier pack up and quit the sport entirely.
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Possibly Ferrari and Mercedes... otherwise it's anybody's guess. If it happens then it would be hard to quantify. For now the oil usage limit has been decreased for new engine and for next year only a single oil type is allowed for each engine.
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No, they wont bow out just because of some driver, I don't care what people think of Alonso's stock, he isn't immune to being disposable as all drivers are. I could see McLaren picking the driver, and Honda then setting up a deal with a manufacture. Toro Rosso isn't set in stone like the renewed Sauber-Ferrari deal. So there is still a chance it could happen, but I suspect that McLaren would rather hold off as long as they possibly can, as to not allow Honda a move to another team. This eliminates the potential for Honda to actually find fixes over the coming winter and have a somewhat competitive car that would embarrass McLaren for cutting the partnership when it did.
Pete05
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Yes, well things have developed a bit since I wrote the post.
At the time it looked like Honda's only option was McLaren.
Renault look like supplying McLaren & what was looking like a 'brief discussion' regarding Honda moving to STR, has now progressed to 'let's talk some more about it'.
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I don't want to say I told ya so, or am not surprised, but I told ya so and am not surprised
Good for them though, I rather Honda go to STR because if RBR could swing the sell of STR, then a full on Honda team will exist again. Not sure how good or bad that is (obviously until it were to happen hypothetically), but it would be cool.
http://www.crash.net/f1/news/873339...urn-technical-directive-after-mercedes-update <- earlier in the week, didn't post it
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Well, I guess the McLaren-Toro Rosso Engine Swap-a-palooza is back on again. Possibly by the end of the week we'll know whether it happens.
If it doesn't, McLaren has pretty much no choice but to stick with Honda as the other three engine suppliers aren't going to open up a slot for a fourth team (willingly at least), plus F1 doesn't want Honda to leave as they obviously need the diversity.
If it doesn't, McLaren has pretty much no choice but to stick with Honda as the other three engine suppliers aren't going to open up a slot for a fourth team (willingly at least), plus F1 doesn't want Honda to leave as they obviously need the diversity.
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No F1 doesn't care if Honda leave or stay, the FIA on the other hand do care, and that's who you're referring to. Todt is the FIA, but not F1.
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...I'm not even sure why I typed F1 instead of FIA there.
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Porsche confirmed interest in Formula 1 after visiting Italy this past weekend. Considering LMP1 is an F1-sized budget...
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To clarify, they're interested in becoming an engine supplier when the 2021 regulations come into effect. That's somewhat cheaper than fronting a factory team and having to design an entire car.
