2017 Formula 1 Rolex Australian Grand PrixFormula 1

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Honda and RedBull are the big fails this weekend.
Haas was good for a while.
Palmer Magnussen and Ericsson need to stand up or they'll be gone soon.
Stroll was ok. Giovinazzi did well.

Ericcson...no

He's their meal ticket, he won be going anywhere until a bigger meal ticket comes that wants to actually be stupid enough to race for Sauber, or Marcus get tired of pissing away money. Palmer is most likely gone after this season unless he pulls together some miracle results. Kevin probably has another season until he is shown the door.

Stroll did pretty good I was surprised.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Palmer is most likely gone after this season unless he pulls together some miracle results.

I think that's a pretty pessimistic outlook. I doubt he'll make it halfway through. He was crowing about having a performance clause im his contract rather than a sponsorship one, which should just make it easier for Renault to fire him.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I think that's a pretty pessimistic outlook. I doubt he'll make it halfway through. He was crowing about having a performance clause im his contract rather than a sponsorship one, which should just make it easier for Renault to fire him.

You mean optimistic, cause yours is actually pessimism.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

You mean optimistic, cause yours is actually pessimism.

No, I'm optimistic because the sooner he's out, the better the sport will be. The 2017 grid is arguably one of the strongest in years - almost every single driver deserves to be there on merit. Palmer and Ericsson are probably the only two drivers who have the least claim to be there (the verdict is still out on Stroll), amd Ericsson gets a conceded pass because he's propping Sauber up and hasn't done anything mind-numbingly stupid.

 

[Jimlaad43]

Can we just have 1 race thread where we don't get a barrage of hate for Jolyon Palmer from one specific user?

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Can we just have 1 race thread where we don't get a barrage of hate for Jolyon Palmer from one specific user?

Sure. Just as soon as he puts in a quality drive, instead of putting it in the wall and then complaining that the rebuilt car doesn't handle very well. If Maldonado had done it, everyone would be all over it, and he's a Grand Prix winner.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Sure. Just as soon as he puts in a quality drive, instead of putting it in the wall and then complaining that the rebuilt car doesn't handle very well. If Maldonado had done it, everyone would be all over it, and he's a Grand Prix winner.

Nah difference it Maldonado actually didn't ever take the blame, it was always something else. Palmer actually put his hands up and says "my fault", doesn't change the fact that he's a sub-par driver compared to the rest of the field.

No, I'm optimistic because the sooner he's out, the better the sport will be. The 2017 grid is arguably one of the strongest in years - almost every single driver deserves to be there on merit. Palmer and Ericsson are probably the only two drivers who have the least claim to be there (the verdict is still out on Stroll), amd Ericsson gets a conceded pass because he's propping Sauber up and hasn't done anything mind-numbingly stupid.

I could say that about several drivers, and even many more in the past 5 years that ended up doing more seasons the Palmer, it's not pessimistic it's realistic, your outlook may be good for you (not sure why it doesn't harm you in any way).

Also Ericsson has, like taking out his team mate last season with just massive brain fade. Point is yes Palmer wrecked, yes I get to an extent why you dislike the guy. But stuff happens, not like he wasn't the only one to wreck this weekend or lose the car on his own.

I think I can speak for all that we've had a couple good months without your wonky warped vision on the world. Just cause F1 is back doesn't mean you have to start up again, you could be normal for a time.

 

[Tired Tyres]

Can we just have 1 race thread where we don't get a barrage of hate for Jolyon Palmer from one specific user?

Don't be silly. Jury out on Stroll because his name is not Palmer. Mr Bias as hell didn't say jury was out on Palmer last year when his first race was better. Hate is hate. It is without merit in any regard.

 

[Jimlaad43]

Sure. Just as soon as he puts in a quality drive, instead of putting it in the wall and then complaining that the rebuilt car doesn't handle very well. If Maldonado had done it, everyone would be all over it, and he's a Grand Prix winner.

My point is, we all know your viewpoint and don't need it constantly reiterated. Palmer and Ricciardo had the exact same accident over the weekend, and we all saw you laughing with glee as Palmer climbed out of the car, but nothing of the sort was pinned at Ricciardo. The sheer ignorance of half your posts in the Grand Prix threads really pains me because your contributions to other threads in the Motorsport section are really useful, and only just keep me from dropping you to my ignored list.

But with Palmer, I think you need to start thinking about the old adage, which you being a teacher means you have to use it a lot, If you haven't got anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. Now the Hamilton/Rosberg fanboying has calmed down a lot because of Rosberg's retirement, removing the Palmer hate is the final step to making F1 discussion threads great again.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Don't be silly. Jury out on Stroll because his name is not Palmer. Mr Bias as hell didn't say jury was out on Palmer last year when his first race was better. Hate is hate. It is without merit in any regard.

Even though he'll beat around the bush and claim it's not hate.

My point is, we all know your viewpoint and don't need it constantly reiterated. Palmer and Ricciardo had the exact same accident over the weekend, and we all saw you laughing with glee as Palmer climbed out of the car, but nothing of the sort was pinned at Ricciardo. The sheer ignorance of half your posts in the Grand Prix threads really pains me because your contributions to other threads in the Motorsport section are really useful, and only just keep me from dropping you to my ignored list.

But with Palmer, I think you need to start thinking about the old adage, which you being a teacher means you have to use it a lot, If you haven't got anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. Now the Hamilton/Rosberg fanboying has calmed down a lot because of Rosberg's retirement, removing the Palmer hate is the final step to making F1 discussion threads great again.

Exactly this, he reminds me of a few others who act immature on this F1 threads. Difference is when they get called out, they apologize, and move on. Not PM/interludes, he's got to keep up his tirades.

 

[Fryto]

You missed the point, that during v10 era they still had lighter cars due to refueling.

And not only because of refueling. The cars were around 120kg lighter at that time, which is a massive difference.

 

[mustafur]

When Palmer gets the sack we will need to find a new brit for him to hate or it's just back to Hamilton.

 

[Jimlaad43]

When Palmer gets the sack we will need to find a new brit for him to hate or it's just back to Hamilton.

He's already chosen Ollie Rowland

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

When Palmer gets the sack we will need to find a new brit for him to hate or it's just back to Hamilton.

True. But trust me he'll go further, and keep complaining about Hulkenberg. Ask why Kimi is still even in F1. Once Lance has a bad weekend or two, attack him. Probably keep going after Wehrlein. Oh and I see a return to him wish to see Magnussen leave as well. He makes it well known who he hates so there is that.

 

[PzR Slim]

Mixing up is NOT racing - never has been never will be. The problem with overtaking - that is downforce for you.

Giving people an option on strategy is very much a part of racing. It's one of the most important factors at Le Mans for example.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Palmer and Ricciardo had the exact same accident over the weekend, and we all saw you laughing with glee as Palmer climbed out of the car, but nothing of the sort was pinned at Ricciardo.

The high angle shot of Palmer's accident shows him losing control with snap oversteer. It's a typical accident for that corner, usually the result of getting on the throttle too soon or opening DRS too early.

However, the reverse angle shot of Ricciardo's accident - from Turn 15 looking back at Turn 14 - shows him at a 45° angle to the racing line before the apex; he'd already lost it on turn-in, and the crash was likely the result of the shark fin interrupting the flow of air over the rear wing on turn-in, causing the rear wing to stall and pitching him into a spin. While it was driver error, it was the kind of mistake that he could have caught. And Pat Symonds agrees with me; he summarised the accident the same way I just did.

When Palmer gets the sack we will need to find a new brit for him to hate or it's just back to Hamilton.

If I hated all British drivers, why was I a fan of Jenson Button from 2000 onwards?

keep complaining about Hulkenberg

You can't tell me Hülkenberg has lived up to the hype.

Once Lance has a bad weekend or two, attack him.

You mean Lance Stroll, the guy everyone has already dismissed as only being in the sport because of daddy's dime? The same Lance Stroll who I said that I would reserve judgement on until a few races in?

Mr Bias as hell didn't say jury was out on Palmer last year when his first race was better.

Because I'd seen him in GP2. For four years, he couldn't even beat Ericsson and Nasr. We don't get coverage of European Formula 3, so I can't judge Stroll based on what I haven't seen (and if I did, you'd criticise me for that, too).

He's already chosen Ollie Rowland

There was a moment at Hockenheim last year where he aggressively cut across the circuit coming out of the hairpin, forcing the attacking driver - Kirchöffer, I think - to slam on the brakes. It was the kind of move that you'd expect from Sergio Canamasas; dangerously unpredictable. It was exactly the sort of thing that everyone was afraid Max Verstappen would do.

 

[Jimlaad43]

There was a moment at Hockenheim

 

[prisonermonkeys]

It was that dangerous a move.

 

[Tired Tyres]

Because I'd seen him in GP2. For four years, he couldn't even beat Ericsson and Nasr. We don't get coverage of European Formula 3, so I can't judge Stroll based on what I haven't seen (and if I did, you'd criticise me for that, too).

No. You just don't get it. I judge on merit only. If Palmer sucks in F1 then he sucks in F1. What he did before F1 is irrelevant. Some drivers do great lower down the ladder and fail once they get above their comfort zone. Others don't do as well lower down and get better the higher they get. It simply does not follow that you get judged on something you're not a part of anymore.

His debut last season started out with a good race. He had a mix of reasonable and crap races after that (crap outnumbering reasonable yes) All in all not a bad debut season. If Renault felt he's done enough for another year then that's on them.

 

[zed300]

I don't think that McHonda or RBR really failed this weekend.

Sure, it's sad that RBR couldn't get Ricciardo's car properly fixed, but Max showed very good pace despite them saying they're far behind Mercedes and Ferrari.
And Vandoorne finished the race and Alonso's engine did not blow and was in the points for the majority of the race. Considering the disasterous testing Honda had to endure, I feel like that was one of the best possible scenarios that could've happened.

And yes, I agree, Giovinazzi did really well.

The Honda was the slowest car out there. Only those that carried more fuel when they retired, recorded a slower pace on their fastest laps. China and Bahrain will have them further behind.
Red Bull, Ricciardo thats racing sometimes, but Verstappen's car was around 0.5 a lap slower, finishing almost 30secs down from the cruising at the finish Vettel.
Not that either team can't improve and I dare say they will. It's just the reference point that both teams will base their further development around.

Ericsson, ok he may not be going anywhere soon, but he's not a newbie and he only beat Giovinazzi, a last minute call up, by 1.5 tenths in Qualy. I don't feel that's really good enough from a driver that knows the tracks and has been there for 3 years.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

What he did before F1 is irrelevant.

Even when what he did before Formula 1 is used to justify graduating to Formula 1?

Take Antonio Giovinazzi as an example. He had practically no budget to go racing last year, but he jumped into a GP2 car at the last minute and took the fight to Pierre Gasly, who had the benefit of Red Bull backing. He won multiple rounds, sometimes from the back of the grid in an extremely competitive field. That's something that Stoffel Vandoorne couldn't even manage.

If it weren't for Giovinazzi's GP2 performances, he never would have been picked up by Ferrari, seconded to Sauber, or in a position to replace Wehrlein. Should we discount what he achieved when he was the surprise performer of 2016 and one of the most exciting emerging talents in motorsport?

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Ericsson, ok he may not be going anywhere soon, but he's not a newbie and he only beat Giovinazzi, a last minute call up, by 1.5 tenths in Qualy. I don't feel that's really good enough from a driver that knows the tracks and has been there for 3 years.

It's not, but let's remember that Giovinazzi isn't exactly a last minute call up, he did all the test of the Sauber since Pascal was injured, along side Marcus. So it's not like he doesn't know the car, sure losing an entire day of practice isn't very helpful but it'd be much worse if it was someone who hasn't driven the car for hours and hours on end just a couple weeks prior. Not to count the fact that Giovinazzi probably does sim work for the team.

With that said, Ericsson isn't great, but as I already told you wont be going anywhere until he decided otherwise.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Not to count the fact that Giovinazzi probably does sim work for the team

I'm not sure Sauber have a simulator. But if they don't, Giovinazzi probably logged plenty of time with Ferrari.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I'm not sure Sauber have a simulator. But if they don't, Giovinazzi probably logged plenty of time with Ferrari.

That's why I said probably, not sure if Marcus has bought them a sim, or if they just hook up a computer and run the latest codemasters f1 game.

 

[Tired Tyres]

Even when what he did before Formula 1 is used to justify graduating to Formula 1?

Take Antonio Giovinazzi as an example. He had practically no budget to go racing last year, but he jumped into a GP2 car at the last minute and took the fight to Pierre Gasly, who had the benefit of Red Bull backing. He won multiple rounds, sometimes from the back of the grid in an extremely competitive field. That's something that Stoffel Vandoorne couldn't even manage.

If it weren't for Giovinazzi's GP2 performances, he never would have been picked up by Ferrari, seconded to Sauber, or in a position to replace Wehrlein. Should we discount what he achieved when he was the surprise performer of 2016 and one of the most exciting emerging talents in motorsport?

Irrelevant to YOUR bias mate. Irrelevant to your bias. No one else. Miss the bit about some drivers pre F1 achievements?

It's a if someone else posts for you in F1 threads. Your posts everywhere else on this site are of a totally different approach.

 

[Liquid]

So prior to today it was what, 51 wins out of 58 for Mercedes-Benz in the 1.6T era?

It's nice to see a race where the two Mercs didn't just blast off 1-2 and there was a race where someone was faster than Mercedes-Benz and strategy between two teams actually played a part up front.

 

[GroupB]

It's nice to see a race where the two Mercs didn't just blast off 1-2

Considering that Seb's M.O. during his glory years was to disappear into the distance on lap 1 and never be seen again, this year may end up same story, different color car.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Considering that Seb's M.O. during his glory years was to disappear into the distance on lap 1 and never be seen again, this year may end up same story, different color car.

How do you figure?

 

[MUSC4EVER]

I went to bed on lap 36 after being up for around 23 hours, taped the rest of it and watched it after a four hour sleep, missed pretty much nothing, wasn't a great race..

 

[mustafur]

I think it's time to think about refueling though, the safety excuse is kind of irrelevent if nearly every other series can do it fine, just maybe better executed with slower/safer fuel rigs, the unpredictability of that era made for intresting viewing even when the racing wasn't there.