2019 Formula 1 Pirelli Grand Prix du CanadaFormula 1

[KinLM]

It's two actions.

Hamilton went off on the left turn into the chicane, then rejoined. Ricciardo was on his left.

Hamilton turns right.

Hamilton still isn't fully on-throttle, so Ricciardo jinks from left to right and attempts a move on the outside.

They both turn left, but as this is now a corner exit, Hamilton knows the stewards will let him squeeze onto the racing line to force Ricciardo to back off (this is the one consistent squeezing motion the stewards let drivers get away with). This is two corners after Hamilton rejoins the track, so it can't be construed an unsafe rejoining in any way.

Nothing like this. Vettel goes off, rejoins right in front of Hamilton and spears irght across the track rather than establishing control first. (not that he could. Looks like there was no grip off the racing line)

The example you showed of Verstappen versus Kimi is the one that is exactly like Vettel vs. Hamilton.

And in that case, Max did deserve a penalty.

I disagree. To me, Hamilton went off, should have lost a position, and squeezed Ricciardo in order not to. Thats gaining an advantage for going off track, just as many are claiming Vettel did also.
I also completely disagree with the “two corners later” thing. The Hamilton incident took place 50 feet after he cut the whole chicane. The Vettel incident took place 50 feet after he cut through the grass.

Also, I never made any mention of Raikkonen and Verstappen; are you confused who you’re replying to?

 

[evldave333]

On Vettel's onboard you can see him flick the wheel to close the door on Lewis, just glad no-one was hurt. I dont think Seb can handle pressure well, in the heat of the moment his decision making is blurred by red mist... Storming off looking to blame the stewards was quite funny what an ego! (the elephant in the room is he is angry at choking in the first place regardless of his rash re-entry) I think he redeemed himself on the podium at least. I guess the desire to win is what has helped Seb get to where he is, but when it gets warped its genuinely entertaining soap opera stuff lol

 

[KinLM]

On Vettel's onboard you can see him flick the wheel to close the door on Lewis, just glad no-one was hurt. I dont think Seb can handle pressure well, in the heat of the moment his decision making is blurred by red mist... Storming off looking to blame the stewards was quite funny what an ego! (the elephant in the room is he is angry at choking in the first place regardless of his rash re-entry) I think he redeemed himself on the podium at least. I guess the desire to win is what has helped Seb get to where he is, but when it gets warped its genuinely entertaining soap opera stuff lol

He flicked the wheel because the back of his damn car had just hit the kerb and his tires were covered in grass, so the rear was kicking out and he was correcting it.

If he HADNT flicked the wheel, he would’ve spun out and you all would be clowning him with “Mission SPINnow LOLOL” jokes for the next month again.

 

[BrainsBush]

Here it was even worse because Verstappen didn’t have an oversteer on the grass as Vettel... guess what? Verstappen hasn’t had any penalty .

Above is not true because aLso Max got a 5 sec penalty for that move.

 

[PzR Slim]

On Vettel's onboard you can see him flick the wheel to close the door on Lewis, just glad no-one was hurt. I dont think Seb can handle pressure well, in the heat of the moment his decision making is blurred by red mist... Storming off looking to blame the stewards was quite funny what an ego! (the elephant in the room is he is angry at choking in the first place regardless of his rash re-entry) I think he redeemed himself on the podium at least. I guess the desire to win is what has helped Seb get to where he is, but when it gets warped its genuinely entertaining soap opera stuff lol

I'm pretty sure he flicked the wheel as he got some oversteer when he came back onto the track. The rest I agree with.

 

[Flaren89]

And again, MAFIA (Mercedes Associating For International Assistance) won another race. Congratz.
Hope stewards are well-payed for that.

 

[AshenGraey]

And again, MAFIA (Mercedes Associating For International Assistance) won another race. Congratz.
Hope stewards are well-payed for that.

Really?!?

 

[PzR Slim]

And again, MAFIA (Mercedes Associating For International Assistance) won another race. Congratz.
Hope stewards are well-payed for that.

I bet you wear it at a jaunty angle!

 

[evldave333]

He flicked the wheel because the back of his damn car had just hit the kerb and his tires were covered in grass, so the rear was kicking out and he was correcting it.

If he HADNT flicked the wheel, he would’ve spun out and you all would be clowning him with “Mission SPINnow LOLOL” jokes for the next month again.

He just closed the door... ive watched it a few times he was back under control and and there was a second cheeky move of the wheel to maintain his position, this why he was penalised ( must admit Id have done the same ). Sebs team radio message reminded me of ben kingsley lol

 

[Turbotwin01]

He just closed the door... ive watched it a few times he was back under control and and there was a second cheeky move of the wheel to maintain his position, this why he was penalised ( must admit Id have done the same ). Sebs team radio message reminded me of ben kingsley lol

Bruh, do you even know what counter steering is?

 

[evldave333]

Bruh, do you even know what counter steering is?

Spoiler: Language warning

 

[Flaren89]

Then tell me why Hamilton never got penalised for his many cuts, here some samples:

Spoiler

 

[ExplorerPhels]

He flicked the wheel because the back of his damn car had just hit the kerb and his tires were covered in grass, so the rear was kicking out and he was correcting it.

If he HADNT flicked the wheel, he would’ve spun out and you all would be clowning him with “Mission SPINnow LOLOL” jokes for the next month again.

Seriously laughed at mission spinnow lolol, thanks, man.

 

[Peter.]

I have my reservations about Vettel, but no damn way should that be a penalty.

If you want to say he screwed up under pressure, fine, shame on him, but he absolutely had no intention of cutting Lewis off there. He really did what he did to straighten the car up, regardless of if he might have benefited from the result.. You can't penalize him unless you know for sure that he either did it intentionally, or could have avoided it. And we can't confirm either.

This is very similar to Lewis' incident with Ricciardo at Monaco, where he made an error, and took the racing line out of the Nouvelle chicane, but impeded Ricciardo in the process, merely with his existence. Lewis should not have gotten a penalty that day, and he didn't. Canada is also a very narrow, street circuit, and literally every former driver we have seen talk about the incident since it happened, (Brundle, Button, Chandhok) all brought this up, and all disagree with the steward's decision.

 

[mustafur]

It's not a Penalty, I don't think he could of stopped the car going wide on re entry, going on the grass is sure to make the tyres slippery, sure he made a mistake but the race for the lead should still be respected, I'm surprised a Race series would shoot itself in the foot Soo badly on this, the part of the track it happened was Narrow and Lewis wasn't getting past no matter what, it's similar to the Monaco incident only in the Monaco incident Lewis had more control as there was tarmac outside the race track line.

Had Vettel rejoined and got a bigger advantage then not going wide I would understand it, but this was no penalty.

 

[DQuaN]

The only reason I can see this penalty being given (and something I thought at the time), is how quickly he rejoined the track. After he went wide, the natural trajectory he was taking should have caused him to cut more of the corner and stay on the grass longer. He forced the car right to get back on the track sooner which then caused him to slide across on to the racing line. This can only be speculation though so is still harsh by the stewards.

 

[Grand Prix]

Vettel swapping the sign boards was :censored:ing hilarious! Just great entertainment.

If Vettel had turned tighter to leave some room on the right, with the grip he had, he may very well have spun. Sure, he could have just slowed down and let Hamilton by, but why would he do that?

There's also another point that I haven't seen anyone in here bring up. If I was in Hamilton's shoes, I would have waited just a little bit, and set up the overtake so I could pass by on Vettel's left while he was a sitting duck, given Vettel was going to have such crap speed coming off the grass. Driving into the path of a rejoining car is always risky, especially with a wall right there...

 

[Dylan]

Ferrari plans to appeal.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ferrari-appeals-vettel-penalty-canada/4461339/

 

[chromatic9]

Vettel was still sliding on the track when he rejoined, it's narrow there, his trajectory means it's where he ends up. I don't see him being able steer or make a slower re-entry. Hamilton to get past would've had to have gone down the inside immediately as the track narrows again further up.

I don't think Vettel was able to steer more to the left and rejoin in a safer manner but the FIA have all the data.

If this was the last race of the season with both drivers level on points would they still call the penalty?

 

[TenEightyOne]

Ferrari plans to appeal.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ferrari-appeals-vettel-penalty-canada/4461339/

That's the notice that they intend to seek the right to appeal, it remains to be seen if they'll be granted it given that the penalty is un-appealable.

 

[lancia delta hf]

As a Ferrarista tgis is how i see it. Vettle cracked, then knew exactly what he was doing.

 

[chromatic9]

Video of Max at Suzuka where he got a penalty


Aside from the touching which is irrelevant, very similar otherwise, mistake is made, corner is cut and blocked the car behind from overtaking by rejoining.

Ultimately you make a mistake and block the car behind intentional or not you forfeit the place or get a penalty?

 

[kilesa4568]

I don't think Vettel was able to steer more to the left and rejoin in a safer manner but the FIA have all the data.

It looked like he had enough control to at least try to stay left and that makes the rejoin angle all wrong. I guess he's got dirty tyres but straight lining the car to squeeze a visible car has to be penalty material. You definitely can't jump straight back onto the racing line with cars so close anyway.

Saying that, I'd still call 5 seconds harsh. Maybe a redress as Lewis would have got through if Vettel had rejoined safely.

Gotta be careful with that gamesmanship, Vettel. Sometimes you get called out on it. Can't fault you for trying though.

 

[JackRyanWMU]

I don't watch F1 often, but I picked a hell of weekend to watch a race it seems. I'm not going to say the penalty was right or wrong, but it robbed us of what was shaping up to be an actual great race to the finish instead of the usual "Mercedes Wins by 20 Seconds LOL." I will credit Vettel and Hamilton shaking hands when they came face-to-face though, nice bit of sportsmanship in what was a tough situation.

 

[UnkaD]

Haven't watched the race yet. Sometimes I think the F1 races are getting really boring, but sitting here waiting for a baseball game to finish for the race replay is excruciatingly worse. I'll never see the appeal. But, hey. They televise fishing and golf, so what do I know?

 

[ScottPuss20]

I hope this category doesn't go the way of Supercars with stupid stewarding. Yes, rules are in place for a reason but come on, each case has to be evaluated on a subjective basis rather than an objective one and it HAS TO STOP. We want a good race and sometimes decisions have to be made in the spirit of that. It was a shameful choice which we will look down upon for years. We cannot let this happen again or more people will stop watching what is already a particularly boring sport. No wonder TCR is thriving. Remove tyre warmers and telemetry and put the focus back on the goddamn driver like it was in previous years. Make it happen!

 

[Oswald07]

Vettel should have released the throttle when he lost control of his car and went on the grass. He also should have made sure he didn't come out on track on the racing line.

Had he done those two things Hamilton would have passed him.

I don't buy his argument that he had grass on his tyres. He wasn't concerned with safety he was concerned with keeping Hamilton behind him. This isn't Gran Turismo Sport. The safety of others, and millions of dollars worth of car are at stake.

He deserved a five second penalty. Had he done the right thing he would be second anyway. If he has problems with the rules do something about it before the race.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

The way I see it... Vettel made a mistake and wasn't (as far as we know) in control of where his car ended up. No penalty for that if you make the mistake on your own with no one around you.

The penalty comes from impeding a driver on his return - the sensible thing was to let Hamilton past at that point and then have another go at overtaking him. You can't maintain an advantage going off track and definitely not with an unsafe (even if uncontrolled) return to the track.

That’s it. Vettel even said himself, via the radio, that he blocked Hamilton so he couldn’t pass him (contradicting an earlier comment where he said he didn’t realise Hamilton was so close behind him). That’s the definition of an unsafe re-entry.

 

[Tak[TEC]]

I know I saw a tweet by Nigel Mansell defending Vettel. As with (I think) Max Chilton, but I could be wrong. SkySports also had Karun defending Vettel as well.

Mario Andretti as well

 

[KinLM]

Spoiler: Language warning

Just gonna leave this here. Might require you to zoom in to see some of the names but I think it’s worth it.

EDIT: it seems to have lost some quality during the upload but there’s not much I can do about that sadly.

The names of the people tweeting this should still be visible though, and- spoiler alert, they’re pretty much all famous racing drivers, not people on the internet who simply think they’re racing drivers, myself included.