- 435
- London
Just about to hit enter race and i get an urgent work phone call and miss it by 2 mins. Not sure i'll be able to enter a later slot. Maybe a blessing in disguise 
2021 FIA Series Race Discussion
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- 2,593
- Glasgow
- stpatty
Started 7th after getting a slipstream the whole lap by the guy who ended up starting 2nd. The top six were all tripping over one another at the start so it was easy to keep up with them and not kill the tyres too much. The guy I'd followed ended up going off at the hairpin on lap 2, putting me up to 6th.
The race settled down for a few laps with the top three (a 458 and two VWs) pulling out a bit of a lead with a McLaren and a Mazda in front of me. By about the halfway point the two VWs were falling off and falling back, with the pole-sitter in particular suffering and backing up the Mazda and the McLaren. By the time those two got past the VW I had no answer given how awful the GT-R now is - more on that later. I could have kept with those two quite easily but once they were past the VW, I wasn't getting there myself.
Despite coming out of the last corner side by side at the end of lap 15 I still got dragged to the next one, with nothing else happening until lap 18 where I had no choice but to let the RCZ I'd followed in qualifying go past in the hope he could pull me past the Scirocco. By lap 21 the Ferrari who'd been catching me up got past putting me in 8th, meanwhile the Peugeot was in front of the VW. The Ferrari hit the wall on this lap though, so I got 7th back.
Lap 22 the VW hit the wall and I got through up to 6th, where I spent all my time going as tight as possible into the corners and praying the Peugeot would miss a shift or something. Ended up with this:
Final race time was 24:18 in a 211 (I think) point lobby.
The GT-R is now even more horrific than I thought possible. @OutlawQuadrnt, I'm sorry I doubted you. I'm coming out of the last corner right on the bumper of the Peugeot in front and he's pulled ahead of me by the time we reach the nest braking zone. I don't know... I don't even know what aspect of the car I want to criticise PD for more, but right now there's just nothing.
Oh and while all this was happening the sun was coming in and out so for several of those laps I couldn't actually see a thing.
The race settled down for a few laps with the top three (a 458 and two VWs) pulling out a bit of a lead with a McLaren and a Mazda in front of me. By about the halfway point the two VWs were falling off and falling back, with the pole-sitter in particular suffering and backing up the Mazda and the McLaren. By the time those two got past the VW I had no answer given how awful the GT-R now is - more on that later. I could have kept with those two quite easily but once they were past the VW, I wasn't getting there myself.
Despite coming out of the last corner side by side at the end of lap 15 I still got dragged to the next one, with nothing else happening until lap 18 where I had no choice but to let the RCZ I'd followed in qualifying go past in the hope he could pull me past the Scirocco. By lap 21 the Ferrari who'd been catching me up got past putting me in 8th, meanwhile the Peugeot was in front of the VW. The Ferrari hit the wall on this lap though, so I got 7th back.
Lap 22 the VW hit the wall and I got through up to 6th, where I spent all my time going as tight as possible into the corners and praying the Peugeot would miss a shift or something. Ended up with this:
Final race time was 24:18 in a 211 (I think) point lobby.
The GT-R is now even more horrific than I thought possible. @OutlawQuadrnt, I'm sorry I doubted you. I'm coming out of the last corner right on the bumper of the Peugeot in front and he's pulled ahead of me by the time we reach the nest braking zone. I don't know... I don't even know what aspect of the car I want to criticise PD for more, but right now there's just nothing.
Oh and while all this was happening the sun was coming in and out so for several of those laps I couldn't actually see a thing.
- 765
- United Kingdom
Since I was in the Scirocco I had a very good chance. Ignored slipstream and did 2 laps on my own and got a 55.4 for pole, with my fellow VW just behind.
Race went as expected, just line astern for 19 laps with the VW behind making a move into the 1st corner on lap 20. He went slightly too deep, so I got straight back past and then managed to hold the gap till the end.
Not very exciting but 303 points, so fair enough.
Race went as expected, just line astern for 19 laps with the VW behind making a move into the 1st corner on lap 20. He went slightly too deep, so I got straight back past and then managed to hold the gap till the end.
Not very exciting but 303 points, so fair enough.
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- 2,489
- United Kingdom
- Hasnain282
Managed a PB quali lap which put me P8.
Not much happened for me in the race other than an incident just in front of me and a battle just up ahead on the last lap and in the end it was P6. Better than I was expecting and given my recent Manu form I'll take it
Not much happened for me in the race other than an incident just in front of me and a battle just up ahead on the last lap and in the end it was P6. Better than I was expecting and given my recent Manu form I'll take it
- 5,671
- Ulricehamn
Don't assume all alt accounts are for massaging ego's and getting easy wins.
I have an alt account in NA, it's the same rank and just about the same DR as my main.
I simply have it to race dailies with friends.
Most other people have an alt so they can use their main exclusively for FIA, so they won't run into one bad/dirty driver and have the FIA destroyed.
They don't have to be afraid of racing and having their rating destroyed before a FIA race.
- 223
- Oxfordshire, England.
The first point I kind of see, but kind of disagree with as well. Because you can’t pick lobbies with friends, it’s still entirely hit and miss and down to GT who you race with.
As for the second one, say you run into one bad driver who’s hell bent on specifically destroying your race, will surely only effect your rating by what 1000 DR? 1500 tops? I don’t think I’ve seen more than that. Hardly enough to tank your rating and lower you FIA points too much? If it does, a good FIA race will claw back that much again I’m sure. (Something else I disagree with btw, FIA races should be one shot).
Like I said though, there’s up and downs in every sport, e-sports is no different.
- 595
- Stockholm
1000-1500 DR is easily the difference between a FIA round improving your score or not, so if you drop that much the day of a FIA race you might as well skip FIA entirely because even winning might not be enough to improve your total.
- 5,671
- Ulricehamn
- 1,072
- Behind you
Well 1 and done for Euro, nothing special Q 10 and had a good race with a German, really clean and good. Bagged 6th mostly from people pitting and 1 guy pitted and still got a pen. Great to be top of my friends list, admittedly it's a small list and no ones above a B.
- 5,671
- Ulricehamn
Since I got GOTMAXPOWER and Watto on my list I am never on top. Never.
- 976
- Indiana USA
- tmsheehan
- ToroSports
- 110
- United States
A thought on Alts.....
1) If I'm reading the rules correctly, Alt Accounts are only forbidden in FIA races and you can only enter one account. So doing it to race with your buddies in dailies in other regions seems OKAY to me. Having 1 account to race exclusively in FIA races seems pretty smart IMO.
2) In regards to that NOMOREBRAKES chap's saga.... He got caught last year. He did the same thing this year. I get the why - looking for a Manu with less competition so you can get into the top 16 - but dude.... this is really BAD at rule breaking. I'd feel bad for the guy but he already got caught once. Why do that again? If you want to know the manufacturer breakdown, sit out the first week of the season & look at the leaderboards and breakdowns. Then pick your manufacturer and you're good.
3) I am not good enough to create an Alt account. Im still at the bottom here and learning. Top 16? I'd be happy with top 1600 right about now.
Edit: Last thought, My SR is way more important to me than my DR. Yes, i get more points in FIA races with a higher DR but the SR is a point of pride. Yeah, I wanna be fast but more importantly I want to race clean and race the right way.
1) If I'm reading the rules correctly, Alt Accounts are only forbidden in FIA races and you can only enter one account. So doing it to race with your buddies in dailies in other regions seems OKAY to me. Having 1 account to race exclusively in FIA races seems pretty smart IMO.
2) In regards to that NOMOREBRAKES chap's saga.... He got caught last year. He did the same thing this year. I get the why - looking for a Manu with less competition so you can get into the top 16 - but dude.... this is really BAD at rule breaking. I'd feel bad for the guy but he already got caught once. Why do that again? If you want to know the manufacturer breakdown, sit out the first week of the season & look at the leaderboards and breakdowns. Then pick your manufacturer and you're good.
3) I am not good enough to create an Alt account. Im still at the bottom here and learning. Top 16? I'd be happy with top 1600 right about now.
Edit: Last thought, My SR is way more important to me than my DR. Yes, i get more points in FIA races with a higher DR but the SR is a point of pride. Yeah, I wanna be fast but more importantly I want to race clean and race the right way.
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Barra333
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- 6,548
- London, ON
- barra333
A single 2sec collision penalty is more than enough to drop you a long way down the splits.
- 223
- Oxfordshire, England.
No way. How much SR do you expect to lose from a single 2s penalty, Really? I guess timing will come into play, if it’s the last lap then you don’t have the rest of the race to get the green SR up. But still, 6 points maybe, 9? Nothing one good race can’t fix.. Don’t do a daily just before an FIA is a good suggestion too.
Sorry, I just don’t subscribe to the alt mentality. Grind earlier in the week to get your ratings higher or recover them if they took a knock. But also, that’s racing, things fluctuate.
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- 281
- Malawi
- crusselz
Manufacturer Rd. 5
First slot
Door #9
Q9
P8
+300 DR
123 Points
Didn't go in with the highest expectations. Got taken out through the esses by a driver recovering from a crash. Then again by a German driver (who later crashed out again). Made up some places with crashes and the one guy who pitted.
Second slot
Door #15
Q13 (yup, starting on the corner, 1.3s before the first corner)
P6
+700 DR
147 Points
Few crashes, and a last lap moment of madness between two drivers up ahead, saw me climb up and finish well.
Wasn't expecting to do well here, so I'll settle for that. Till Tokyo.
First slot
Door #9
Q9
P8
+300 DR
123 Points
Didn't go in with the highest expectations. Got taken out through the esses by a driver recovering from a crash. Then again by a German driver (who later crashed out again). Made up some places with crashes and the one guy who pitted.
Second slot
Door #15
Q13 (yup, starting on the corner, 1.3s before the first corner)
P6
+700 DR
147 Points
Few crashes, and a last lap moment of madness between two drivers up ahead, saw me climb up and finish well.
Wasn't expecting to do well here, so I'll settle for that. Till Tokyo.
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Barra333
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- 6,548
- London, ON
- barra333
This was from a race where I had 2 SR down indicators. One was a 2sec penalty I got for accidentally punting a guy, the other was from being brake checked - I got an SR down, but there was no penalty and the guy obviously didn't go off track. Anything that is not SR99 will kick you from the top rooms, so in my case it was at least 3 Daily As before I could be back in the top lobby. As it happened, I got disconnected from the next race for another -4 SR.
How do you propose I participate in the FIA races without an alt then? See my post above for the the circumstances.
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- 126
- United Kingdom
After a horror show in a lobby race yesterday (sorry everyone who was there and who I messed up!), and a looong day at work today I had very little confidence for this race.
Qualified 3rd, had a moment at the first corner (of course) and settled in to about 8th, cruised around with little drama until seemingly EVERYBODY pitted ahead apart fromm the Aston that ended up winning. Ran around in third for quite a while until a TT who had got past served a penalty right on the racing line so I had to go round him which messed up my line into the big left hander and led to a spin. Lost a couple of places and then lost a couple more to soft runners who I didn't fight too hard, was in seventh on the final lap and got the slightest tap on the wall at the start of the esses which slowed me down enough for eigth to get past at the hairpin. Then two ahead got a tyre penalty which promoted me to 6th. Then I forgot to save the replay.
That'll do.
Qualified 3rd, had a moment at the first corner (of course) and settled in to about 8th, cruised around with little drama until seemingly EVERYBODY pitted ahead apart fromm the Aston that ended up winning. Ran around in third for quite a while until a TT who had got past served a penalty right on the racing line so I had to go round him which messed up my line into the big left hander and led to a spin. Lost a couple of places and then lost a couple more to soft runners who I didn't fight too hard, was in seventh on the final lap and got the slightest tap on the wall at the start of the esses which slowed me down enough for eigth to get past at the hairpin. Then two ahead got a tyre penalty which promoted me to 6th. Then I forgot to save the replay.
That'll do.
- 2,593
- Glasgow
- stpatty
The penalty system has been in states where you could easily get knocked down an SR split based on things that were largely outwith your control. In fact I have a video from January this year:
That's 4 SR for contact so innocuous you don't even notice when it happens. I'm sure everyone who posts here regularly has a story where they lost a massive amount of SR for something they couldn't avoid.
Daily races, generally, don't have the same level of racecraft and consideration that FIAs do. Race A and B especially are so short that people think about position and nothing else - you're much more likely to see people go for lunges there than you would in Race C or an FIA race.
- 435
- London
Went into second slot with door no.16. Usual aim of top 10. Qualified 13th which starts you just coming out the hairpin.
Thanks to the corner, I had 1.8 second gap behind me by the time got to turn 1. Someone died lap 3 and then I managed to get past 2 others so was sat in 10th. Was comfortable and everything was going fine until lap 10 when a guy in a jag made a mistake up ahead and I got past, but he then just started fighting unnecessarily. Kept trying to go 2 wide at every turn and was quite aggressive. People behind caught up and cars in front pulled away. Turned into a really scrappy and pointless 4 car fight. Was so annoying as they pretty much ruined any chance we had of finishing higher. A bargy RCZ pitted leaving the 3 of us for a while. The idiot in the Jag purposely punted off a BMW for no reason at the hairpin with 4 laps to go. He was then all over the place blocking me off allowing the punted BMW to catch back up. Final lap, the BMW lunged from behind me at the final turn to take out the Jag in revenge but failed and gave himself a 1 second penalty.
Just frustrating that the Jag turned the race ugly. Was on for an 8th place finish. Lost count the amount of times i shouted ‘what are you doing?’
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- 223
- Oxfordshire, England.
Yeah I know how silly penalties are applied, first hand! Yet look at all our SR charts on KP. Almost entirely 99. It’s all so easy to gain it back, just dont lose it 5 mins before an FIA and you’ll be alright.
I guess it’s a mindset thing, no one is right or wrong here, just an opinion on how we think the game should be run. Me, I feel like I’ve earned every one of my stats and when I’ve been knocked down, that next win is all the sweeter. My stats are my racing record and improving them is my goal (and I’m not just talking about this game btw, this isn’t my main racer).
I’ve only got about 40 unique days on GT and not once have I felt the need for an Alt. I’m working on that A+, but I wouldn’t be able to get an alt to that level as well. So where’s the fairness in using one?
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- 6,290
- Washington State
- OutlawQuadrant
We have alt accounts in dailies because a high rated DR driver can lose tons of DR even finishing 2nd. Far too much of a risk, especially with races that aren't tied to an actual competition. There are aliens who want to race for, you know, fun but the current setup discourages it.
That said, still need to respect their competitors and not barge through.
Aliens wanted regions combined because two guys in a Top 12 Manu were always left out when it was 5 regions.
The only upside is that I have zero incentive to drive the Gr4 GT-R anymore.
- 367
- Netherlands
Another first for me. This was the first time I felt an absolute disconnect between Qualifying and the race. All through this week I have been having troubles with this track, the Jaaag and HARD tyres. I race one the SOFTS, I go flying, switch to the HARDS, all hell breaks loose. That or I drive as slow as a snail (and then still I'm served my share of hell with all the sloppy overtakes). Maybe we should race on the same tyres as we qualify on? That way I’m sure I would have qualified lower but had the proper qualifying place. I don’t know, like I said. First time I felt this big of a disconnect between race and qualification.
I enter the race door 19, nice no expectations, so I'm happy with that. Start Qualifying and do a very good run. A surprise to me since Qualifying is one of my weaknesses. Second FR car on the grid behind 3 Scirocco's and a Porsche. For anyone counting that's Q6.
Race starts and I'm very careful going through first and second corner. Then the Porsche goes on a rampage in the (now for me infamous) turn 2. I drive to the LEFT to avoid him... what an idiot I am... I ram him sideways and that's my chance on a good result…
But it got worse. More shoving from drivers who, for some unknown reason to science, were all on meds (?) and "needed" to pass me. And so they did, sometimes violent, sometimes less, but something was always going to happen and it did between me and a Mustang. In the esses got pushed into the walls and this time dropped down to 17th. Race over.
But remember all the people that were in a hurry? One by one they pitted and I crawled back up to 8th in the end.
So do I go again? Let's bring out the ol' checklist:
- Is the infrastructure acting reliable, or are there many reports on disconnects => check. No problems. One guy lagged but nothing serious.
- Do I think I can do better/faster? => hmmm not faster but the first 5-8 rounds were over a minute or way slower than what I can do, so yes. Check
- Do I have the energy, mindset, concentration it takes for a better result? => bit iffy this one. I made myself available for the race. Got the energy but the concentration and mindset are a bit off. Will the second race be better. 50-50
- Do I have time for another go? Absolutely. I made myself available for slots
- Am I having fun during the race? No... to be honest. The race was no fun. And I do think - should I go again - the outcome would be roughly the same. Me driving too careful to stay on the road starting somewhere in the front. Only to get pushed, shoved, punted back by people in a hurry and on meds/softs only to pass some again after their pitstops.
Nah... I'm done.
Looking very much forward to Tokyo. It's something completely different than I've ever done and I'm going to approach it that way. Going to do things I've never done before.
Mini's... I don't know. I like the time trail and if I drive I'm going to do it from cockpit view. But I'm not sure if it's going to be a SR wreck fest.
I enter the race door 19, nice no expectations, so I'm happy with that. Start Qualifying and do a very good run. A surprise to me since Qualifying is one of my weaknesses. Second FR car on the grid behind 3 Scirocco's and a Porsche. For anyone counting that's Q6.
Race starts and I'm very careful going through first and second corner. Then the Porsche goes on a rampage in the (now for me infamous) turn 2. I drive to the LEFT to avoid him... what an idiot I am... I ram him sideways and that's my chance on a good result…
But it got worse. More shoving from drivers who, for some unknown reason to science, were all on meds (?) and "needed" to pass me. And so they did, sometimes violent, sometimes less, but something was always going to happen and it did between me and a Mustang. In the esses got pushed into the walls and this time dropped down to 17th. Race over.
But remember all the people that were in a hurry? One by one they pitted and I crawled back up to 8th in the end.
So do I go again? Let's bring out the ol' checklist:
- Is the infrastructure acting reliable, or are there many reports on disconnects => check. No problems. One guy lagged but nothing serious.
- Do I think I can do better/faster? => hmmm not faster but the first 5-8 rounds were over a minute or way slower than what I can do, so yes. Check
- Do I have the energy, mindset, concentration it takes for a better result? => bit iffy this one. I made myself available for the race. Got the energy but the concentration and mindset are a bit off. Will the second race be better. 50-50
- Do I have time for another go? Absolutely. I made myself available for slots
- Am I having fun during the race? No... to be honest. The race was no fun. And I do think - should I go again - the outcome would be roughly the same. Me driving too careful to stay on the road starting somewhere in the front. Only to get pushed, shoved, punted back by people in a hurry and on meds/softs only to pass some again after their pitstops.
Nah... I'm done.
Looking very much forward to Tokyo. It's something completely different than I've ever done and I'm going to approach it that way. Going to do things I've never done before.
Mini's... I don't know. I like the time trail and if I drive I'm going to do it from cockpit view. But I'm not sure if it's going to be a SR wreck fest.
- 1,230
- Michigan
- KosmoKazi
On the topic of Alts... yeah, it's a no-brainer if you want to be successful in FIA events.
My Alt and Main accounts are virtually identical (DR level, SR consistency). That means the measure and the system works, and it means that I drive consistently in both. I'm not using one to bounce off people for wins, or game the DR/SR interplay for climbing into fake DR ranges (or collecting wins in low SR lobbies).
But, one idiot causing havoc in a Race A or Race B, can set my SR back so that I'm in the lower FIA lobby next race. Or as noted by others, I could get a reset from some idiot bent on being even worse (and it happens). So the idea that I can jump in a Daily Race, without compromising my Main account, it's a no-brainer.
And yeah, I do sometimes run FIA events on the Alt... but I'm not qualifying for Top 16 or world championships, either, so I think they'll let me slide. Nor am I racing against people who might, so I'm not upsetting the 'money' if you will.
It's made me a better racer, by easing up my worries when racing in Dailies, and allowing me to push for results there, and to also keep my main account in good standing to continuously increment up as I get just a little better and achieve better results there, too.
It also means I play the game more, as I would just sit out of Dailies if it meant risking my account rating... what fun is that?
I'll likely even add a 3rd account, and manage the DR so that it's lower, so I can race in Dailies with friends who are at different DR levels. Don't @ me, as they say! I want to play with my friends and friends IRL, sometime, too.
My Alt and Main accounts are virtually identical (DR level, SR consistency). That means the measure and the system works, and it means that I drive consistently in both. I'm not using one to bounce off people for wins, or game the DR/SR interplay for climbing into fake DR ranges (or collecting wins in low SR lobbies).
But, one idiot causing havoc in a Race A or Race B, can set my SR back so that I'm in the lower FIA lobby next race. Or as noted by others, I could get a reset from some idiot bent on being even worse (and it happens). So the idea that I can jump in a Daily Race, without compromising my Main account, it's a no-brainer.
And yeah, I do sometimes run FIA events on the Alt... but I'm not qualifying for Top 16 or world championships, either, so I think they'll let me slide. Nor am I racing against people who might, so I'm not upsetting the 'money' if you will.
It's made me a better racer, by easing up my worries when racing in Dailies, and allowing me to push for results there, and to also keep my main account in good standing to continuously increment up as I get just a little better and achieve better results there, too.
It also means I play the game more, as I would just sit out of Dailies if it meant risking my account rating... what fun is that?
I'll likely even add a 3rd account, and manage the DR so that it's lower, so I can race in Dailies with friends who are at different DR levels. Don't @ me, as they say! I want to play with my friends and friends IRL, sometime, too.
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- 120
- Essex, UK
Sardegna - Road Track - C. C/S race
Car - Porsche Cayman GT4 Clubsport 16
Door - 18
Qualified - 7th
Finished - 4th
Championship Points - 45
For the most, good racing, clean driving. There is a marked difference between the dailies and the FIA.
feeling a little sad, as the championship now moves to Saturdays, which is almost certainly taken with other time consuming projects. I may try the Nations, but really dont like the constant changing of cars.
Ending on a good note, I have now managed to enter B rank.
Car - Porsche Cayman GT4 Clubsport 16
Door - 18
Qualified - 7th
Finished - 4th
Championship Points - 45
For the most, good racing, clean driving. There is a marked difference between the dailies and the FIA.
feeling a little sad, as the championship now moves to Saturdays, which is almost certainly taken with other time consuming projects. I may try the Nations, but really dont like the constant changing of cars.
Ending on a good note, I have now managed to enter B rank.
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- 5,671
- Ulricehamn
Groundfish
(Banned)
- 4,363
- United States
I argued with the board about how bad it was my first year in the game (the release.)
However during that time I was still learning, and really preparing for a race entry and could manage maybe 1-2 races a day or less.
I couldn’t understand it. I also wasn’t in FIA yet or within 4 seconds of the top ten without intensive practice.
I now use a daily account and an FIA account.
I race pretty much the same on both, but the daily means I can cruise and “fun race” without worrying about dr at all.
If I don’t feel like try hard qualifying and try hard matching maximum pace, I don’t have to. Sure you lose DR but so what? You aren’t worried about it at all, it’s only requirement is to be enough to get you matched into one of the top couple rooms, with a decent q time you didn’t need to spend more than a couple laps on...
I WANT aliens in the dailies having fun on alts. It’s better for everyone.
If I were only to have one account I’d almost never do a daily.
So, alt accounts on dailies provide better racing for everyone who plays, and more enjoyment.
It gets to a point on these dailies if you are on main competing in try hardest mode, qualifying is a very annoying chore because these guys really put in quite maxed out times.
In longer races pace is more of a factor but not so much in a sprint.
It’s fun to be able to enter races as you wish, have fun, and not be in “THIS IS REAL” hyper mode.
It’s not against any rules.
To me alt on daily is overall a tremendous benefit in game, oh, another benefit is it’s safer on sr the more better players use alts, the quality is much higher-more alts-more aliens-more skilled players to race, and they race more safely too!
I agree with you about one entry, I agree IN PRINCIPLE, no one should need the alternates, but in REALITY the opposite is true.
Jmo
Edit the purpose of this game is FUN. Alt accounts are FUN.
Trying hard all the time isn’t FUN for all of us.
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- 223
- Oxfordshire, England.
So joining lobbies easier than you should? If you want cruise and run, that's what lobbies are for IMO
Except for billy bob who's at the peak of his game, doing all he can, but in a B lobby lets say - and the alien takes the win away from him.
Why dailies should have a qualy, even if just one shot. It wouldn't add any more time to the race intervals (except for maybe SSRX this week!!)
Out of curiosity, what are the stats of your alt and main? Can you link KP?
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