2021 FIA Series Race Discussion

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o joining lobbies easier than you should? If you want cruise and run, that's what lobbies are for IMO

Yeah sure, you mean like these from last week?
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Like, the best on NA at that moment?

Billy bob the B is unaffected and has no chance since serious players on alts are so far above his level.

Dailies don’t need a qual each race but I would support a daily limit on qualifying attempts of some sort. No need to add it to race time though at all.

My main is around 54-5 k. My alt varies by combo it goes A plus sometimes but soon drops...
My main is an account it took quite a long time to build.
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I’ve been in your shoes, and regarding alt accounts you are incorrect imo
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Edit to me I love running dailies but look at the times above. It’s just rare I can really get into truly achieving an optimal q lap on a daily.
It’s a nuisance competing against people who spend so much time eking out tenths.
More power to them but most days I’d rather put in a clean lap and get to racing.
The times I’ve gotten top ten were ULTIMATE OCD TRY HARD MODE.
Often my time invested vs enjoyment from playing the game ration is improved by just putting in a good lap then racing, not obsessing on Q with endless infinite attempts.
That’s why Monday racing is great, the people with fast times on Mondays usually really love the combo and are proficient at racing it, opposed to after everyone’s had time to get their miracle lap.
No offense meant but it’s true.
I’d like to see a limit placed on qualifying attempts.
 
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Billy bob the B is unaffected and has no chance since serious players on alts are so far above his level.

Still applies to half decent A rated drivers.
But also aliens aren't the only one with alts, the point still stands.

My main is around 54-5 k. My alt varies by combo it goes A plus sometimes but soon drops...
My main is an account it took quite a long time to build.

So your alt is lower DR (and potentially SR?), so your match making won't be representative for your skill most of the time? (yes there are exceptions where the match making fails for one reason or another).
I lost 2k DR tonight, yeah dented my progress but by what, a day or so?

I'm sorry, I just really don't agree with the whole alt thing in a RANKED game mode. I think that's the issue, it's a ranked system. So it is just cheating/circumventing/bending the system. People wouldn't be using alts if it didn't give them a skill advantage. And conversely, if someone has an alt & main with almost identical ratings, then it still proves it's not necessary..
 
@joetoml1n Don't forget all DR ratings are not equal. My DR on the account that I do daily races on currently sits at about 27k (high B). In many daily race As, I hold my own against most DR A drivers

That’s not the point here, two players with a DR (and same SR) of 29999 and 30001 should absolutely be matched together even though ones B and ones A.
 
Second time out in the Gr.4 Scooby this year. Learnt the hard way in test lobbies that my originally-planned 1-stop strategy was essentially useless and slipstream was again the deciding factor between fighting at the front or being left behind. Avoiding the tyre stack at Turn 4 was no mean feat, either.

Despite these hurdles, I prepared for the 19:40 slot by practicing a few techniques from @Mistah_MCA's guide. Shaved nearly a tenth out of my FP lap and achieved consistent low-to-mid 57s in test lobbies, a good enough sign that the WRX was in for another decent race.

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Polyphony's matchmaking system must have thought it had potential, for I was given driver door #1 in a lobby also featuring @SRT DK Racing. A varied mix of power and handling cars on show tonight, including a Megane Trophy and a McLaren. 55.9s were achievable in later test lobbies and the actual qualifying session didn't go badly either, with a 56.097 set straight out of the box. Felt I could have gone one better if I hadn't gone in too deep at the final hairpin, but before I could prove that point I binned the car at Turn 1 and returned to the lobby screen after realising it was pointless to complete the second lap after letting traffic past. Initially two-tenths off provisional pole, the first lap was still quick enough for me to start 6th on the grid. Top 5 places were filled by Lexus, Audi, Aston, the McLaren and a Toyota 86 which theoretically would be a prime target for slipstreaming.

Switched to Hards and burnt fuel like a steam engine on the grid formation sequence. Everyone started on the Hard tyre with only two drivers deciding to pit as the race progressed (more on that later). The first couple of laps were spent drafting the Toyota while trying to build up a decent buffer over the blue Lexus behind. I'm lucky that the WRX has excellent traction out of tighter corners which allowed me to pull away effortlessly from the Lexus coming out of the hairpin. On Lap 3, I got good enough slipstream down the start/finish straight to attempt a pass on the Toyota, but went to the outside as I felt he was not giving enough space for a pass on the inside. The Lexus capitalises on this by braking later and snatching 6th; I was, however, happy to let him take the line through Turns 2-3 as I felt he would be a better threat to the Toyota.

In return, the Lexus gave me enough of a slipstream to stay ahead of the Spanish Peugeot who I expected would fade away sooner or later. Lexus finally gets past the Toyota on Lap 9, but the result of this is that we are now closely stacked together going into Turn 1 and the Peugeot - much to my surprise - has joined the back of the train. There were some connection quirks which did put me off slightly, but two laps later another chance came to out-drag the Toyota into Turn 1. I move to the inside, but the Toyota surges ahead in the tow of the Lexus so I'm forced to back out. We catch up to the pole-sitting Lexus in Eneos orange, who right from the start was struggling for pace and had lost touch with the rest of the frontrunners. Again, I draw alongside the Toyota, but the Toyota has the slipstream. The blue Lexus runs wide at Turn 6 and we all bunch up again going into the hairpin. I take to the outside... and the Peugeot decides to fight me for 7th!

I held the Pug off at first, but slotted between him and the French Jaguar on the approach to Turn 4. I slightly miss my braking point into the hairpin, which has the effect of pushing the Pug forward past the Eneos Lexus. Next thing I know, I'm on the left as the Toyota, Eneos Lexus and myself run three-wide down the start-finish straight. I wanted to make sure I kept my nose in front by the time we reached Turn 1, and I did... but not without making contact with the Lexus which sends him into the gravel trap. I made up to him afterwards explaining that I was on the inside, but it turns out that as I hooked the kerb my right-rear touched his left-front and that sent him understeering. It was surprising to me that I didn't receive a penalty for either bits of contact, and in a way karma was coming as the Toyota gets me and the blue Lexus between Turns 4 and 5. I back out to avoid another collision, and in doing so have to yield to the French Jag hurtling down the slalom.

Stuck around with the Lexus and Jag to the end, all while getting increasingly apprehensive about the Porsche gaining on us. As I had predicted, the Peugeot had fallen back into our range with a badly worn right-front, but not far back enough for any of us to capitalise on it. The Porsche threat didn't last, either, as he got biffed onto the grass at Turn 4 by another Jaguar in white and blue. So, the pink WRX bags 8th as the Toyota decides to show off by crossing the line backwards; with the Eneos Lexus falling further and further back, the McLaren came out as the surprise winner!

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There were times where I felt boxed in and unable to do much in the slipstream, but at the very least I kept out of the tyre stack and had plenty of great getaways from the hairpin thanks to the WRX's four-wheel drive. Tyres held up nicely again with front wear being fairly close to those of the Toyota and Jaguar up front; lap times were mainly strings of consistent low-to-mid 57s. The only real BoP adjustment I think the Scoobies need right now is a little more punch from the Boxer, but other than that I'm happy with the general performance and consistency I've been getting out of both versions recently. Suspecting that Tokyo might not be the best place for the Gr.4 car (especially with Softs being the only compound in use), so likely to use that as an opportunity to take a break and make further preparations for the Gr.3 Nürburgring round in just over two weeks' time.

As I briefly mentioned earlier, there were two runners who ended up running a 1-stop. First, the Alfa starting behind me crashed at Turn 4 after contact with the French Jag and switched to Softs soon after. So too did the Alpine-liveried Megane Trophy on Lap 20 after languishing at the very back. I did wonder a few times during practice whether qualifying and the no-stopper would make the Mediums redundant in higher splits, and checking my replay to see those runs kind of proved my point. Curious to know why Polyphony decided to make all three compounds available if that was going to be the case...
 
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So joining lobbies easier than you should? If you want cruise and run, that's what lobbies are for IMO



Except for billy bob who's at the peak of his game, doing all he can, but in a B lobby lets say - and the alien takes the win away from him.



Why dailies should have a qualy, even if just one shot. It wouldn't add any more time to the race intervals (except for maybe SSRX this week!!)



Out of curiosity, what are the stats of your alt and main? Can you link KP?
My alt is in my signature.
Why do you assume that Alt's are at a lower DR?
I have seen friends start an alt when they are A+ on their main and within 4 days being A+ on the alt, racing the same guys but without worry.
 
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So your alt is lower DR (and potentially SR?), so your match making won't be representative for your skill most of the time? (yes there are exceptions where the match making fails for one reason or another).

Those were alt rooms lol.
My alt is racing in the top split lol.

m sorry, I just really don't agree with the whole alt thing in a RANKED game mode. I think that's the issue, it's a ranked system. So it is just cheating/circumventing/bending the system

How is it cheating to play at any given ranked level?
What’s the difference if it’s IOF alt or Joe Schmoe alt? Or Bob real name one account high horse?
Exactly none.
It’s just another good racer to race in a daily.
What difference does it make to you?
I’ll answer it makes none. You are in a race racing other drivers.
If everyone had only one account dailies would be a ghost town on NA at least.
Once you get to a point where a daily win might get you a few dr but getting hit is minus 2000 then it’s a losing bet to bother.
Stick to FIA which is the most fair format.
(Despite its many flaws)


eople wouldn't be using alts if it didn't give them a skill advantage. And conversely, if someone has an alt & main with almost identical ratings, then it still proves it's not necessary..

We’ve been explaining to you it has nothing to do with gaining advantage it’s more the liability a person faces entering dailies with (no offense) potentially people like yourself.

I’m personally not going to subject my main to the state of the pen system in a daily A B or C sorry.
Now imagine someone whose REALLY high in rank.
NOWAY are they going to bother.

It’s a video game daily. Could be one lap. Lol let go have fun.

My alt and main are two different players my main is PRACTICED UP SERIOUS ME
my alt is me how I am in the moment not practiced...
Diff accounts diff results different speeds.

2 diff players.
If alts weren’t allowed it’s just one less player overall even bothering to do a daily.
 
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Those were alt rooms lol.
My alt is racing in the top split lol.

If it's a lower rating, IT IS circumventing the ranking system. If it's at the same level, it proves you don't need it.

It’s just another good racer to race in a daily.
What difference does it make to you?

Because it it frustrating when genuinely better players use alts. However it's tried to be spun, it can be exploited extremely easily for personal gain.

(no offense) potentially people like yourself.

What do you mean by people like myself? What are you trying to say here? That sounds like a personal attack and it's pretty offensive...
 
. If it's at the same level, it proves you don't need it.
You are completely missing the point. They level up their main to the point where they no longer want to risk using it in the daily races.
The only two options then is A. Not running daily races at all or
B. Running daily races on an alt while using the main for a FIA.
Now, you can claim they are circumventing the ranking system, but if they didn't use an alt they would'nt be racing.
I know plenty of people that only ever race FIA. Never run a daily.
But thankfully for us that like to run dailies we get to run with the Alt's of those who still want to run daily racing.

Now, the people that are really circumventing the matchmaking are not people using alt accounts. It's people using their main account to deliberately tank their DR to gain easy wins.
Those are the ones ruining it for Joe Average. Not the alts.
 
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Now, the people that are really circumventing the matchmaking are not people using alt accounts. It's people using their main account to deliberately tank their DR to gain easy wins.
Those are the ones ruining it for Joe Average. Not the alts.
*Ding, ding, ding, ding!* We have a winner!

Is it just me or is there a new guy every couple of months that we have this exact conversation with?
 
You are completely missing the point. They level up their main to the point where they no longer want to risk using it in the daily races.
The only two options then is A. Not running daily races at all or
B. Running daily races on an alt while using the main for a FIA.
No, you can claim they are circumventing the ranking system, but if they didn't use an alt they would'nt be racing.
I know plenty of people that only ever race FIA. Never run a daily.
But thankfully for us that like to run dailies we get to run with the Alta of those who still want to run daily racing.

Now, the people that are really circumventing the matchmaking are not people using alt accounts. It's people using their main account to deliberately tank their DR to gain easy wins.
Those are the ones ruining it for Joe Average. Not the alts.

I understand what you’re saying, so maybe I think the reality is a middle ground between our two points. While you (and I’m sure others on here) may use alts entirely innocently, there are many others who use them as I’ve described. Look at some of the youtubers out there for example.
I lost 1500-2000 DR today on dailies, yeah it’s annoying but it happens. I’ll get it back and in a week I’ll be 5k higher. It’s just how it goes, that’s racing!
 
I wouldn’t touch a Daily anymore with my FIA account(s), last thing I need is some donkey thinking he’s Senna and dropping my SR the night before/of an FIA race. You then have to waste the first slot(some people’s only slot) to rebuild your SR instead of racing for points, and all because some random guy in a daily race decided he wanted to play bumper cars instead of racing.


I understand what you’re saying, so maybe I think the reality is a middle ground between our two points. While you (and I’m sure others on here) may use alts entirely innocently, there are many others who use them as I’ve described. Look at some of the youtubers out there for example.
I lost 1500-2000 DR today on dailies, yeah it’s annoying but it happens. I’ll get it back and in a week I’ll be 5k higher. It’s just how it goes, that’s racing!


Racing below your level for easy wins is seal clubbing, everyone frowns on that. It doesn’t have to be an alt for people to do that though, tons of people tank their SR for easy wins too.
 
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It's actually only the YouTubers you can know are Alt's.
The other faster guys you think are Alt's might be people that got reset. Or that made themselves reset.
The thing is unle6you check every Kudos you race you can never know who is an alt and who isn't.
And the YouTubers Alt's are in the open, so you know it's them and that you race them. So nothing dubvious.
 
I wouldn’t touch a Daily anymore with my FIA account(s), last thing I need is some donkey thinking he’s Senna and dropping my SR the night before/of an FIA race. You then have to waste the first slot(some people’s only slot) to rebuild your SR instead of racing for points, and all because some random guy in a daily race decided he wanted to play bumper cars instead of racing.
Okay yeah good example, your your alt stats are consistently at the same level as your main for months and months now.
So yeah proves you’re not using it to reverse boost your stats. Fine, so in that respect no harm done, but yeah kind of says it’s redundant.
It’s hard to separate your kind of usage, which seems innocuous, from reverse boosters though, which was why I think it’d be better without them. Not (as I think some people have taken it) because I just have a “thing” against alt account.
 
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Curious to know why Polyphony decided to make all three compounds available if that was going to be the case...
My guess would be that the viable strategies they wanted to have were a soft-hard 1 stop or hard only no stop (like Nations at Spa). However I think PD don't have an option to have only have softs and hards (without mediums) so the mediums end up getting included in the available selection regardless.
 
Well that was a game of two halves Des!

Slot 1 B/S lobby, little higher than normal I think as I'd got a bit of DR out of that silly race A.

Q2 with a nice first lap
But turns out most of the cars behind are on softs and VERY impatient! I actually led out of turn 1 but conceded 1st to a Scirocco at the end of lap 1, then it's just a series of mental cases who think the esses are a great passing place. I get punted to the brick wall 3 times over the course of the race. Finish 10th mainly because a load of the aforementioned eejits had to pit.:banghead:
63pts, tiny loss of DR but I had time tonight to go again.

Q2 again, this time on my third flyer. Q13 after 1st go, too much traffic, then Q8, not much better. But had time to jump to the pits for fresh boots and one more go. Paid off and nearly pipped pole and would have been on pole with my lap from race 1.
(Interesting there was only 1 FF runner this time and no Sciroccos)
Race was boring and smooth. Top 3 pulled away in order. I kept in the slip of the pole sitter for a dozen laps. Thought about a move in the early laps as he was squirrelly out of the final hairpin a couple of times. But that made me think he might crack under pressure later and in the meantime we should work to build a gap.

We did build a gap (3rd on the grid dropped back and eventually ended up 5th). But the McLaren became very consistent and I lost the slip as he pulled a gap. I am going to tell myself that it is because the Mclaren is better on tyres than the Aston rather than it being skill gap:) (I was fine on tyres though:)).

Ended P2 about 4 secs off the win and 7 secs back to P3. Boring but profitable race. Never touched another car and never went beyond the kerbs!
103pts is my best in FIA and DR is in nosebleed territory for me now (not for many of you I expect)

PS Does Sardegna C remind anyone else of Knockhill, the layout is kind of similar but in reverse (and you can run Knockers both directions IRL)?

PPS The great alt debate. I don't have one but only because I'm not playing on my primary PS4. I would use one to be able to run dailies in NA, seems like there are some sound :censored:s from over there on this forum :cheers:
 
What do you mean by people like myself? What are you trying to say here? That sounds like a personal attack and it's pretty offensive...

A player lower ranked than myself who is therefore more likely to make an error and punt me off the track.
Your arguments are total red herrings.
You say it’s Ranked mode. I say so what? It’s against the rules to use alts in FIA.
If you have been arguing FIA this whole time then we agree.
Alts are against the rules for FIA, and I’d not race my alt on FIA.
There’s people who intentionally tank dr as said above to get virtual trophies.
At the end of the day you race against other players.
Some, like myself spent years building up to my A plus.
I am attached to that account.
I will not put it up in a daily that might match me with a B driver behind me who rams me off full speed turn one because his Cheetos laden fingers slipped off his button and even if they hadn’t he doesn’t know where to brake anyhow!
FIA offers excellent matching, in fact for the best possible GTS experience I’d almost say just do FIA and forget dailies.
I’m attached to my main. It represents over a thousand hours of my time. It’s at a level I’m proud of. No I’m not contending for victories in my lobbies in FIA on main, but it’s the perfect level I can go in and have a clean competitive race at my peak of my ability.
In dailies it’s fun racing to just join race the 4 laps and done.
Dailies are for fun!!!!
In dailies there’s no rule against alt accounts.
I mean it sounds to me like you are frustrated because you think you are being held down by hundreds of alt accounts in dailies.
You’re not.
The rankings work well in short order even just doing dailies you will be ranked appropriately.
To me it sounds like you’re frustrated because you feel all these alts are somehow affecting your points total. Just relax and have fun, stop stressing, create another account. You’ll understand fun.
Tbh as someone with as much time in as I have at ALL ranks it’s just funny.
Alt or not, race enough times you’ll be ranked the same.
The thing is like everyone has explained why risk the day before FIA getting punted off on a daily by some stoner whose bong water spilled on his controller causing him to punt you?
Plus-the penalties depending on how they are set make things ridiculous sometimes.
Again put more time into the game like me then let’s talk.
 
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FIA Manufacturers Seriesg - Round 5

Wow! 5 minutes waiting for the matching! I seriously thought I was going to be disconnected!

Door: #1 (pressure on)
Qualified: 4th
Finished: 3rd (First podium this season!)

Hards all the way! - This was one of the cleanest races in recent memory!

Took it easy on first few laps, got passed and settled in 6th for a while with a nice gap from the car behind. Soon I got my rhythm and started to look for opportunities to gain positions. The front pack was closed together and it was as clean as it could get.

On lap 20 I moved to 3rd and put pressure on the guy ahead in a McLaren. Last turn, he left the inside open and I went for it. Finished half car from second.

this is it for tonight and good luck to everyone :cheers:
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Ugh, what a race.

Slot 1, one and done. I really got to raise my DR back above 20k. I've noticed a marked difference in the amount of stupidity over and under that line.

I set a mediocre Q time and start P9 but I'm okay with that knowing that people are likely to both pit and bin it in front of me. I move up and down positions in the carnage of the first few laps before with settle into a slipstream train with me in P8. I get comfortable and hope for a boring race from here on out. But then the stupidity of my current DR raises its head. L6 I get full punted into the gravel at the hairpin because the Pug behind me doesn't know what slipstream is. (He already bumped me going into corners 2-3 times before.) He does get a penalty for it, so great. Except that the penalty zone is in a shaded area for this race, making it almost impossible to see ghosted cars when in you're in the sunlight about the enter the zone. Of course, he serves his penalty on the line and unghosts right in front of me. I saw his ghost a moment too late, tried to swerve to the inside but still sent him to the shadow realm. I didn't feel all that bad about the punt given what he did half a lap earlier and the fact that PD pretty much set this one up to happen but I get a 2 sec penalty. A lap later, coming out of the hairpin someone swerves all the way from off track to the racing line right in front of me. I swerve to try to get around but he's too close and I catch the corner of his bumper and get another 1 sec.

Luckily, after that I was mainly in clean air for the remainder of the race. I gained back several places to people pitting. Overtook a few more that weren't prepared for the increasing understeer as the race went on, even made a fairly nice switchback on the final hairpin at one point. All in all, I got squirrely L24 going into the esses and gave up a position, finishing P6. I am rather annoyed knowing that I really should have been P5 this race, if not P4. But I'm not going to run this one again. Yeah, a lot of stupid stuff happened that was out of my control but I also think I could have dealt with it all better. Even with the initial punt, if I had just anticipated things a little more and reacted just a bit quicker, I easily gain a position or two. Oh, well. Now I need to go repair my SR.

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Race Report: 2020 Americas. C/S. Door 17. Q9. RH tires, No Stops.

Qualifying went well aside from me getting out earlier than I normally do. I prefer to qualify on my own, away from others That way I don't mess up your qualifying, you don't mess up mine. Tight field, Q8-Q11 separated by less than 0.01 seconds.

First lap, normal chaos happens at the big left hander. GT-R running 6th totally bonked the corner and speared the wall as well as the P2 Ferrari. The GT-R stays left while ghosted but totally spun me out as soon as he un-ghosted at the beginning of the S curves. He never touched his brakes, also he didn't get a penalty. I drop from 8th to 19th. (I would not describe this as a "racing incident") Of note, the Ferrari would go on to win the race because of tire penalties. The GT-R would finish 4th.



So at this point I'm thinking "Just run your darn race, you've got a good 10 seconds of clean air, you can close this gap fast." Catch up to 18th in a lap and a half, 3 laps later we overtake someone else who bonked the big left hander.

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By lap 12, I overtake p15 on the inside of the big left hander as the chap drove just like the AI does on that corner. (Please do not take a 90+ MPH turn at a considerably slower speed)

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From there it was just catching people in the pit cycle. Some overtook me as they were on fresh hards and my tires were 20 laps in. Was running P11 late in the race when P12 & P13 decided to mix it up, they would have caught me if they worked together. Tried to catch P10, came up 1.5s short. Bumped up to P9 on tire penalties. (One of which was a BMW that finished ahead of everyone)

Now for some Mini fun in the Nations Cup....

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Had an interesting single race tonight. The game took five minutes from the "Preparing to Match" dialogue until I finally got to a lobby, of which only 15 people were there. Then, once we got to the actual room, there were a mere 12 entries. Running with @Winnie847 we towed each other in qualifying and took an easy 1-2, with me on the pole. The race went fairly simple at the start, a BMW behind accidentally started on Softs so he took the lead on the second lap and opened a gap, but we could tell he was on the wrong tires. Kept Winnie in the tow for the first ten laps until those behind him started to battle and push, so I broke away to a two-second gap and the BMW finally pitted around halfway. Unfortunately, the Ferrari made its way up the field and was a much better car around Sardegna, and was able to reel me in, overtaking with ease in the final five laps. But I held on for second, by third consecutive second-place finish in FIA this past week, and netted 289pts from a room of 12 players.
 

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