2021 FIA Series Race Discussion

[HaydenFan69]

First of all, how dare you.

What where you saying?

No, in all seriousness I want to know what they did in last year to it? I won by 30 seconds at a Nations race last summer at Suzuka. Yet this last go at same event, and I barely stayed on the lead lap.

 

[stpatty]

What where you saying?

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No, in all seriousness I want to know what they did in last year to it? I won by 30 seconds at a Nations race last summer at Suzuka. Yet this last go at same event, and I barely stayed on the lead lap.

It got nerfed twice in a row last year when they did the bop changes. Went from 111/103 to 109/101, then 108/101. It's not as good in a line but its tyre wear is a bit more even and it still has all the oversteer in corners

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

Feels like one to drive, so close enough.

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Wrong Nissan.



I ran a 1:10 in Nations mock qualifying last night except I don’t know how I did it.

 

[Hasnain282]

Building some sandcastles

 

[stpatty]

Going for a 2-stop today. Hopefully I don't hit anything.

 

[Cherryturbo]

Disco lap 16 due to network data loss....Euro server........

 

[crusselz]

Well. That was quite a good save haha.

Door 6
Q17
P5
144 points
+900 DR

Truly a war of attrition. I think only 14 of the 19 starters finished.

The pole sitter, won comfortably, definitely seemed a bit below his level.

Lots of crashes. Started on the mediums, initially thought of doing a 2 stop, changed in race. End of lap 11, made a hash of the last corner, so off in to the desert I went and straight in to the pits, unfortunately I clipped the pit wall. Lost about 5 seconds, plus the 1.5s for the barrier collision.

Ran from lap 12 to the end on the soft compound, pretty much on my own.

Might go again. Not too concerned with the points, but I love Big willow

 

[Hasnain282]

Got put into one of the stronger lobbies I've been in for quite a while with quite a few familiar names who I knew were quick so wasn't expecting much.

Managed a relatively clean lap in quali which put me mid pack. Started on mediums, lost a couple of positions and was held up by someone driving slightly erratically. Took me a few laps to get properly up to speed but just made sure I kept it on the track and after a load of people fell off I ended up P6 which was a lot better than it should have been, so pretty happy with that result

 

[MetaBrain]

Door 10th
Q8 (terrible time)
P2

Forgot I had to release breaks for start... Was in 2nd gear already. Terrible. Started on mediums and over first 10 laps I was flawsless on them and pushed them till 14 laps since I had clear air in front. Pitted 14 for softs and the race began... On 18 I was fighting 1st in last corner andddd he slid out, I lost control of front and spun into middle of desert, rebooted to middle of track and lost like 20secs... Somehow he managed to stay on the track, more 10secs I have to grind away... 2 laps later, on the back of 1st place again and I lept pushing like crazy.. Was on my best lap ever (a 113 for sure) and on last corner I cut a bit too deep, lifted off, started flying into the pitd anddd hit divider. I lost like 20sec again starting from 0kph... If I got into pit it wouldnt have been as bad I think Anyways, P5 and on last two laps put it all on the line and towards last lap I made mistake on chicane, P6 started catching me on radar, I go inside to defend last spoon and he barely hits my bavk as I move to defend and goes to the dirty. Yep, he was pissed and rivhtly so. And then I kept going, got overtook in the last corner, was P4 at this point and then the P2 crashed on last cirner as well! P3 and P1 didnt use mediums so he vot sent to the shadow real and P3 and P4 moved to P1 and P2.

feels a bit cheated out of it because if it wasn't the crash when overtaking P1 in the middle of the race (I was on medium and him softs!) I would have easily won. My best lap was 1:14:050 and I was averaging 14:500 on softs, 16:000 on mediums... Best lap aside from me was 1:15:800!!!! I had so much more pace and that bad luck cost me the race.

In retrospect, I was so much faster than P1 in that situation that I should have not risked it there, lifted off earlier and wait for better oportunity (I was eating 2.5s gap to P1 PER LAP!).

Greedy loses today.

(Also, what happens if I race more? Last result only? Or best of all "attempts" in a given day?)

 

[Hasnain282]

Door 10th
Q8 (terrible time)
P2

Forgot I had to release breaks for start... Was in 2nd gear already. Terrible. Started on mediums and over first 10 laps I was flawsless on them and pushed them till 14 laps since I had clear air in front. Pitted 14 for softs and the race began... On 18 I was fighting 1st in last corner andddd he slid out, I lost control of front and spun into middle of desert, rebooted to middle of track and lost like 20secs... Somehow he managed to stay on the track, more 10secs I have to grind away... 2 laps later, on the back of 1st place again and I lept pushing like crazy.. Was on my best lap ever (a 113 for sure) and on last corner I cut a bit too deep, lifted off, started flying into the pitd anddd hit divider. I lost like 20sec again starting from 0kph... If I got into pit it wouldnt have been as bad I think Anyways, P5 and on last two laps put it all on the line and towards last lap I made mistake on chicane, P6 started catching me on radar, I go inside to defend last spoon and he barely hits my bavk as I move to defend and goes to the dirty. Yep, he was pissed and rivhtly so. And then I kept going, got overtook in the last corner, was P4 at this point and then the P2 crashed on last cirner as well! P3 and P1 didnt use mediums so he vot sent to the shadow real and P3 and P4 moved to P1 and P2.

feels a bit cheated out of it because if it wasn't the crash when overtaking P1 in the middle of the race (I was on medium and him softs!) I would have easily won. My best lap was 1:14:050 and I was averaging 14:500 on softs, 16:000 on mediums... Best lap aside from me was 1:15:800!!!! I had so much more pace and that bad luck cost me the race.

In retrospect, I was so much faster than P1 in that situation that I should have not risked it there, lifted off earlier and wait for better oportunity (I was eating 2.5s gap to P1 PER LAP!).

Greedy loses today.

(Also, what happens if I race more? Last result only? Or best of all "attempts" in a given day?)

Last result only

 

[Famine]

Last result only?

Yes.

 

[stpatty]

Started 5th. Was the only person revving on the grid which is always a worry. Passed 4th off the line who started on mediums and he put his car in a really stupid position going up the hill on the first lap. He ran wide on the first corner of lap 2 and I got past.

Followed the same Brit I'd followed in qualifying for a bit. I was within reach until lap 8 where I had a moment. Lap 10 the Spaniard in 3rd had a bigger moment and went off at turn 1. At the top of the hill here the Swiss who'd caught up to me seemed angry at me going slowly and was flashing his lights, so I backed off and let him have 4th going into the last corner since I was pitting then anyway. Pitted for mediums and came out in 6th. On lap 12 the Spaniard who was leading had a moment at turn 2 and dropped back to 3rd. I pitted for softs on lap 12 and came out just behind someone in 7th. He pitted on lap 13 but I hadn't realised he'd slowed me up so much the Austrian I passed on the grid was right behind me, and he took 6th.

I followed him for a bit and missed out on fastest lap to him by about 0.010 or something. On lap 15 some stuff happened - the Spaniard who'd been leading had a moment into turn 1, so did the Brit I had been following earlier. The Swiss guy (in 5th at this point) caught up to this battle and hit the Brit right as he unghosted, spun and got a penalty after hitting the marshal post at the end of the inside of that corner. I got called a stupid looser by him after this race but really, even with mistaken identity aside this incident was on him as much as anyone else.

On lap 15 the Belgian who'd been running in 3rd pitted - I don't know how his softs lasted that long, or how he stayed so far up the order. He indicated to let the Austrian past on lap 18 but didn't really leave him any space to go past. His punishment was clipping the inside kerb at the last corner and ending up going head first into the pit wall.

On lap 20 the Spaniard who'd had two moments into turn 1 had his worst yet and got completely stuck on the left hand side and then quit the race. The Austrian got close to the Brit towards the end but couldn't get 2nd, I finished quite happy in 4th.

Race time in a 200-something lobby (215 or so) was 28:38 for the winner, 28:50 for me. I did a 44 in practice running on my own for most of it which would have put me 2nd but since I wasn't even planning on running this today I'm v v v happy with how it went.

Also big shout to @Sian for the WipEout livery. The description says there are more coming but I'm still waiting ?????????

 

[Tigerhawk87]

Qualified 6th, finished 4th for 164 points.

Put in a much better qualifying than normal despite not being totally happy with the lap.

At the start, P5 takes off early so gets penalised. Stay in 5th for quite some time, eventually moving to 4th (can't remember if I overtook someone or they crashed).

Pitted end of lap 11 for the icy mediums and came back out in 4th. Presumably most behind me also went in. Next lap move to 3rd when P3 pits. Stayed there for the majority of the rest of the race, but Ps 4 and 5 were steadily closing. P4 would pass me but then bin it a lap later. Previous P5 then took 3rd off my hands.

Overall happy with the result. Took me a while to get into the race and was very indecisive with the last turn. Initially not brave enough to take it flat out which cost me some time, despite being comfortable with it during practice. Done the same thing when I went on the mediums.

For anyone yet to go, good luck and take that last turn just as you have been in practice!

 

[joetoml1n]

Matchmaking should be weighted by ability. I don't see why control input would come into it.

Maybe I wasn't clear.. It shouldn't be the only metric, but I think equal level players should also be matched with players on the same hardware type.

It can help with consistency and tyre wear, but that's about it.

You just backed up my opinions there.



There's a reason it's the norm elsewhere. I do also see an argument that because of a relatively low concurrent player base, if it did exists, it might actually not be very effective currently!
But yeah to reiterate, drivers should be matched based on skill and safety PRIMARILY (that in itself also needs an overhaul - more averaging etc) but then also with other factors, in this case such as hardware type. Nothing will change now though, maybe for GT7 and a decent player count etc

 

[crusselz]

Maybe I wasn't clear.. It shouldn't be the only metric, but I think equal level players should also be matched with players on the same hardware type.



You just backed up my opinions there.



There's a reason it's the norm elsewhere. I do also see an argument that because of a relatively low concurrent player base, if it did exists, it might actually not be very effective currently!
But yeah to reiterate, drivers should be matched based on skill and safety PRIMARILY (that in itself also needs an overhaul - more averaging etc) but then also with other factors, in this case such as hardware type. Nothing will change now though, maybe for GT7 and a decent player count etc

Honestly don't see why that would be ideal. One of the greatest aspects of GT, is the plug and play.

Yes, I'm sure each input has its own pros and cons. Would I personally be quicker with a wheel, maybe. But there are many players, including one who has made it to the gt Olympics, using a controller.

Limiting who you're matched with, on the basis of what hardware they are using seems some what elitist and would dimish the experience.

EDIT: Just a quick add on. I reckon, one of the things GT does do well, is match making. Yes there are dirty drivers. But I honestly feel that this is one area that shouldn't be tampered with too much, maybe just tweaking the penalty system and sorting out the SR ratings.

Perhaps for those seeking a game that distinguishes what hardware you use. There are great PC simulators out there. (Or so I hear, I only really play Gran turismo)

 

[Norrin Radd]

Well OZ was a disaster, kept running off, but got me thinking.
So not a great lobby due to B/A rating (punted a few times at Brands and rage quit a couple of times) , still my poor quali put me in 11th. Good start followed by some shoving, but I kept my calm and was 6th after 1st lap although a little behind. Pretty boring race mostly, but concentration high so not boring from a driving point. Was 5th on 11 when I pitted, came out 5th just behind 4th, pitted again on 12 (see I was losing too much time on mistakes with the meds, so planned just 1 lap on meds) I'm now 4th and a few laps later 3rd mucks up giving me 3rd. 16secs behind 2nd and 1st another 10 in front so happy to just keep it on the track for a podium. Lap 20 1st mucks up and I'm 15 sec behind both and hoping for more mistakes, but then 1st pits so 3 laps to go and he comes out just in front on meds. Happy days!!!! I get past easily....well it would have been, but the idiot trys running me off track, so 2 to go in 2nd with a 10 sec lead (yes his plan failed epically) So I grab 2nd and really should have got fastest lap, but I kept mucking the last sector up.

 

[joetoml1n]

Honestly don't see why that would be ideal. One of the greatest aspects of GT, is the plug and play.

Yes, I'm sure each input has its own pros and cons. Would I personally be quicker with a wheel, maybe. But there are many players, including one who has made it to the gt Olympics, using a controller.

Limiting who you're matched with, on the basis of what hardware they are using seems some what elitist and would dimish the experience.

I'm not bashing controller players at all though. I personally know I'd be about 3% slower on a controller, and there are people who are faster with their controller than I am with my wheel. So for sure it's not an elitist opinion.
I am coming at it from a sort of level playing field point of view. There's a reason it's included in other games and why official events, think previous world tours (? feel free to correct me if wrong, I don't watch them) or F1 e-sports races, use spec hardware.

None of what I said was elitist, would actually stop you from matching with anyone else or cause you to not fill a lobby of equal skill players (except perhaps like I said, where it can be a bit of a ghost town on GT Sport at times).

 

[Photodave219]

Well OZ was a disaster, kept running off, but got me thinking.
So not a great lobby due to B/A rating (punted a few times at Brands and rage quit a couple of times) , still my poor quali put me in 11th. Good start followed by some shoving, but I kept my calm and was 6th after 1st lap although a little behind. Pretty boring race mostly, but concentration high so not boring from a driving point. Was 5th on 11 when I pitted, came out 5th just behind 4th, pitted again on 12 (see I was losing too much time on mistakes with the meds, so planned just 1 lap on meds) I'm now 4th and a few laps later 3rd mucks up giving me 3rd. 16secs behind 2nd and 1st another 10 in front so happy to just keep it on the track for a podium. Lap 20 1st mucks up and I'm 15 sec behind both and hoping for more mistakes, but then 1st pits so 3 laps to go and he comes out just in front on meds. Happy days!!!! I get past easily....well it would have been, but the idiot trys running me off track, so 2 to go in 2nd with a 10 sec lead (yes his plan failed epically) So I grab 2nd and really should have got fastest lap, but I kept mucking the last sector up.

My issue in Practice has been Budweiser Balcony. I lose a lot of time through there as I havent quite learned how to go through it fast. That and Turn 9 tho if i take it wide, I seem to be keeping it on the track. Hugging the inside or any undercut whatsoever just ends up with a day at the beach.

I'm not bashing controller players at all though. I personally know I'd be about 3% slower on a controller, and there are people who are faster with their controller than I am with my wheel. So for sure it's not an elitist opinion.
I am coming at it from a sort of level playing field point of view. There's a reason it's included in other games and why official events, think previous world tours (? feel free to correct me if wrong, I don't watch them) or F1 e-sports races, use spec hardware.

None of what I said was elitist, would actually stop you from matching with anyone else or cause you to not fill a lobby of equal skill players (except perhaps like I said, where it can be a bit of a ghost town on GT Sport at times).

Controller players can do some things that wheels cant, like go super undercut on a corner to block you from passing. I wish matchmaking took historical SR into account instead, like if someone is habitually doing dirty things that they are not matched up with people who have a consistent SR of 99. Like if you've had a SR reset anytime in the past X months, you don't get to race against clean players. I think that would go a lot better than just matching up wheel v wheel, controller v controller.

feels a bit cheated out of it because if it wasn't the crash when overtaking P1 in the middle of the race (I was on medium and him softs!) I would have easily won. My best lap was 1:14:050 and I was averaging 14:500 on softs, 16:000 on mediums... Best lap aside from me was 1:15:800!!!! I had so much more pace and that bad luck cost me the race.

Thats about where I am in practice. I'm OKAY with it and figure at my rank, it could/should be competitive if i can run a clean race.

This game is teaching me patience I didn't know I had....

 

[Timm Sheehan]

Slot 1 Oceania. I'm going to have to go again. Q5 and taken out by erratic stick drivers trying to pass where there is no room to pass twice in the first 3 laps. I rarely get lapped, not happy with 12th. Game should seperate wheel and stick users, wheel users can have a good race while stick drivers can smash each other as much as they like. Just saying .....

How did you know they were stick drivers (which I assume you mean DS4 racers)? What you describe is poor racecraft and sportsmanship - under the current penalty system that is to be almost expected. I got a little offended at first by your comments, I use a DS4 (because there is currently no room in my apartment for a racing rig) but I don't make unwise passes (most of the time) and surely don't intentionally smash my fellow racers. After a few minutes I realized you were probably angry from the race results and probably not calling all DS4 racers out.

Maybe I wasn't clear.. It shouldn't be the only metric, but I think equal level players should also be matched with players on the same hardware type.

You just backed up my opinions there.

There's a reason it's the norm elsewhere. I do also see an argument that because of a relatively low concurrent player base, if it did exists, it might actually not be very effective currently!
But yeah to reiterate, drivers should be matched based on skill and safety PRIMARILY (that in itself also needs an overhaul - more averaging etc) but then also with other factors, in this case such as hardware type. Nothing will change now though, maybe for GT7 and a decent player count etc

This thread is starting to sound very familiar . . . . hmmm . . . so where do we draw the line in this separation theory? Should we separate users who buy the cheaper wheel sets in the industry from the ones who spend over a certain amount? How about ones who use a chair with their wheel secured to a table vice those with full racing rigs?

IMO for this racing GAME matching players by skill is the only fair way and equipment is not a factor.

I am sure if you look hard enough there is a game out there that will meet your needs. In the short term just try to enjoy your racing.

 

[stpatty]

How did you know they were stick drivers (which I assume you mean DS4 racers)? What you describe is poor racecraft and sportsmanship - under the current penalty system that is to be almost expected. I got a little offended at first by your comments, I use a DS4 (because there is currently no room in my apartment for a racing rig) but I don't make unwise passes (most of the time) and surely don't intentionally smash my fellow racers. After a few minutes I realized you were probably angry from the race results and probably not calling all DS4 racers out.



This thread is starting to sound very familiar . . . . hmmm . . . so where do we draw the line in this separation theory? Should we separate users who buy the cheaper wheel sets in the industry from the ones who spend over a certain amount? How about ones who use a chair with their wheel secured to a table vice those with full racing rigs?

IMO for this racing GAME matching players by skill is the only fair way and equipment is not a factor.

I am sure if you look hard enough there is a game out there that will meet your needs. In the short term just try to enjoy your racing.

You can tell if someone's using a controller because of how their car moves. They aren't as smooth through corners because of how the game handles steering inputs. It looks more severe when the car has less grip or is more oversteery - MR cars, worn tyres etc - so it would be noticeable in this combo if you knew what you were looking for.

 

[OJBrit]

In a lobby with @challenger001
A race ruined by 2 incidents. But a half decent result none the less.

The car twitched and span at the last corner during my first qualy lap. So it ruined both. I still qualified 16th but even a half second off my practice pace would have been top 10 material.
So hop onto the meds and go for a 2 stop. This is a race of attrition and so long as I am in the ball park at the end then I was hopeful of a result.
Get a decent start and go around the outside of the queue going through the Rabbit's Ear. (Someone should tell them it looks more like a Rabbit's foot than a Rabbit's Ear.) However I encounter someone going through a wobble. Of course they collect me and we both dip into the sand allowing the queue back past. A few people have issues or penalties so I gain places throughout the rest of the lap until this happens.

They tried to squeeze through a gap that wasn't really on. First lap, be patient and if you're really that quick you'll pick us off no issue. Their impatience got me a penalty. Yes it was technically me who caused their car to spin and go off the track, but the real cause was their poor car placement and foresight.
After that penalty I decided to pit lap 3 for my first soft stint. The car felt good and I made up positions including this great pass around the outside of the Rabbit's Ear.

Then a German pitted and was right behind me. I knew from earlier in the race that they were quicker than me especially through the last turn. Once they were close enough I decided to just leave the door open for them in that turn so they would not get frustrated with me. This is what happened.

I gave them room and whilst there was some braking from them they don't avoid me or dive up my inside. They know I brake through there and they had an agressive but not dirty side to them up to this point. I'm not sure if this was a straight up punt or just a huge mistake from them. Either way they did not apologise or show any remorse afterwards. I get a ridiculous barrier penalty (seriously who is wall riding out there!?) and they get sweet fa.
Afterwards I pit lap 15 for my fresh softs and begin chasing down the cars ahead. I get one who has an adventure in turn 5. The others I do not know what happened to them, but somehow I finish P10.

Points are my 4th highest to date which shows I'm having a decent nations in my book. Still this race had a lot more potential.

 

[joetoml1n]

This thread is starting to sound very familiar . . . . hmmm . . . so where do we draw the line in this separation theory? Should we separate users who buy the cheaper wheel sets in the industry from the ones who spend over a certain amount? How about ones who use a chair with their wheel secured to a table vice those with full racing rigs?

IMO for this racing GAME matching players by skill is the only fair way and equipment is not a factor.

I am sure if you look hard enough there is a game out there that will meet your needs. In the short term just try to enjoy your racing.

I think you, and others, are taking this to heart a bit much here. The OP on this topic had an opinion, which I happen to agree with in principle. I personally think there's a big distinction between the 1cm travel distance on a stick vs the range of motion of a wheel (yes any wheel for that matter, be it 360°, 900° or 1050° rotation for example).
I'm not advocating for entirely separating the two player bases. Or, as some have said, solely matching it that way, regardless of skill. I think that's just preposterous. For all this communities strengths, it doesn't seem particularly open to suggestions of change or different opinions.

In a nutshell, I think the matchmaking is fundamentally pretty basic in this game (more obvious in daily races, although this is the wrong thread so I won't go into it more) and there are many ways it can be improved, input matching being just one of many.

 

[DK]

I got punted off at T2 after qualifying 17th. I only managed to rescue an 11th and 96pts on the last lap after a Dane got lost in the infield and a Dutch driver lost a fight with a tank-slapper exiting the last corner.

 

[Cerebral303]

We go sideways, to Narnia!

I managed to qualify near the back, hover around 11th all race, only went off twice, Mediums up to lap 14 then Softs to the end, finished 12th, which is better than I expected.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

For all this communities strengths, it doesn't seem particularly open to suggestions of change or different opinions.

I think you are perfectly allowed to have your opinion. And I am allowed to disagree.

But, point me to a competitive racing game that separates users by control input and I will look at it with an open mind


Now, to my race.

I got in the second to last round with door #18.
I did ok on my first flyer, p5 bit knew I had to up my time because others where.
On my second flyer I hooked the front inner wheel in the curb at the final turn and off I went
That was it, that lap was compromised and so where the last. So I started P16.

Now, I haven't had time to run in a lobby at all and I only ran 20 or so laps in FP.
So I did something radical for me.
This car is basically a big shifter cart.
So I went with my cart settings.
TCS 2, steering sensitivity 2 and automatic gearbox.
I started on mediums, already lap one was a little hairy with everyone else on softs and me trying to be out of their way.

I pitted after one lap for softs....

After one excursion due to dirty air I got more carefull ( ran off after T1 but could rejoin immediately and lose no spots and not much time. Open track behind me.)

My choice of tire strategy and driving aids might be considered dumb but it gave me the possibility to stay on track for the rest of the race with no oops moments and also let me capitalize on others mistakes Nd play Moses when they brawled...

In the end I finished as P5 with my highest score for the season.
One and done.

 

[Redneckchef]

@joetoml1n
We do accept the idea of change here. Often begging for it. But we want the kind of change that we think will help improve the game and keep it going. We can disagree on what those changes are.

My disagreement with splitting input devices for matchmaking is that there are a lot of easier ways to improve the already pretty decent matchmaking before we ever get there. And as a DS4 user I feel that it is simply down to how well you manage your controls. Over the last couple of months with the previous argument in the other thread there are lots of people who found out I'm on the DS4 instead of a wheel. People I raced with an awful lot who swore I was on a wheel because i was smooth. I dont want to continue to derail the thread, but overall i think we a agree that the more competent drivers we have playing the game the better it is for everyone involved. And competence doesnt have as much to do with input device as a lot of people think.

I also agree with you we need more averaging used in the matchmaking systems to stop some of the abuse going on. We all want the best game we can get, but we all got different ideas on how to get there.

 

[joetoml1n]

@joetoml1n
We do accept the idea of change here. Often begging for it. But we want the kind of change that we think will help improve the game and keep it going. We can disagree on what those changes are.

My disagreement with splitting input devices for matchmaking is that there are a lot of easier ways to improve the already pretty decent matchmaking before we ever get there. And as a DS4 user I feel that it is simply down to how well you manage your controls. Over the last couple of months with the previous argument in the other thread there are lots of people who found out I'm on the DS4 instead of a wheel. People I raced with an awful lot who swore I was on a wheel because i was smooth. I dont want to continue to derail the thread, but overall i think we a agree that the more competent drivers we have playing the game the better it is for everyone involved. And competence doesnt have as much to do with input device as a lot of people think.

I also agree with you we need more averaging used in the matchmaking systems to stop some of the abuse going on. We all want the best game we can get, but we all got different ideas on how to get there.

Here's an example from one of GT's closest competitors, where they show input type (there is no matchmaking here).

This would also be a step forwards.

Again though, I never said hard splitting the player bases - just making it one of the many (and no, not one of the most important) attributes that make up a more robust match making system. The fact this keeps coming up and there was a whole other thread with a close (60/40) split in opinion shows there is some desire for this within the community. Though, It almost seems blasphemous to mention a slightly different opinion in this forum sometimes..


We’re going in circles though, so I’m going to leave it now. To be clear though, I think splitting the community WOULD be wrong and I whole heartedly accept that there are good controller players, some are actually very good - I never said otherwise...

 

[D_Dragline]

[/QUOTE]

Here's an example from one of GT's closest competitors, where they show input type (there is no matchmaking here).
View attachment 1014699

I'm not sure what the benefit of this is? Why is it useful to know if I'm racing a wheel or controller?

An in-race indicator of which tyres an opponent's using however would make a huge difference.

 

[05XR8]

I'm not sure what the benefit of this is? Why is it useful to know if I'm racing a wheel or controller?

An in-race indicator of which tyres an opponent's using however would make a huge difference.[/QUOTE]
And that's done for the higher stakes World Tour races. Would make for more interesting strategies in "normal" Sport Mode races.
Yes, AI know we can see what tyres players use in Daily Races, but another option to show current tyres and which ones were used, does help.

 

[HaydenFan69]

Pushed off twice in the most unexpected spots. One forcing me in pits. A lot of meh from this one. Maybe should’ve practiced more. Maybe could get some points if I went again as I had pace (probably passed half the field at some point). But whatever. Take the nearly 1,200 DR for a 12th place finish and hope the remainder of the season with GT cars can keep me in the top 100 in Nations.