2021 FIA Series Race Discussion

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No I usually don't, but if a car has a massive run on me I usually do let them by to save myself for another day. It was unfortunate I so so fixated on the car in front I didn't see this car coming until I saw his triangle start creeping in on my radar. By that time it was too late and all I could do was hold my line.

I disagree with you on this one. Even if I did lift early he was going to shove me off regardless, just look at his line. And for this sequence of corners if you can hold the outside you'll have the inside for the next corner, which is way tighter than the preceding corner. And there's been times too I try to control a space but someone (more specifically with a southern flag) will just kick you out of the space completely. I just expected more faith from Canadians. Now I know there are a select few I will trust and work with, the rest of you no offense, RIP.
Man it’s not a nationality thing in GTS.
There’s plenty of top players from every country that will stuff you.
Anyways the point of what I meant by CONTROL was that no matter what they are kept in a position where they CANNOT move you from the space.

As you said above this situation was the result of several factors but the root cause was lack of situational awareness-you didn’t see the Vette until it was too late.
The Vette is doing just what I explain all top players do-controlling space.
He has your inside. At that point, if it were me, I’d tuck in behind and try to create a run somehow through the next sequence.
Imo he should be penalized and forced to give back the spot, but right now that’s not the rules enforced by GTS.
Overall I just don’t find the Vettes behavior anything but typical racing relative to top split lobbies.
If you consistently lift or give up inside or don’t race a little harder these guys will take advantage.
Jmo-it’s good to have an alt-get it to E-E and literally pick a fight with whole lobbies in daily events. Like make it where everyone is trying to off each other. This is how you can learn about controlling space and helps situational awareness.
Jmo.
This is s sensitive issue for me lately, I understand the frustrations the game can cause.

Edit @Timm Sheehan, racing etiquette ALWAYS applies, and really it derives from the concept of CONTROL.
It’s not different in a race for a coveted title or at the top middle or bottom level in GTS.
It’s what you can control vs what you cannot.
GTS doesn’t penalize a little rubbing and a little rubbing in some track areas is fine, in others it might make someone really angry-only experience can really be the teacher here.

my main point is to say that the best guys aren’t going to give you anything.
You have to TAKE from them and PROTECT it when you get it.
Failing to cover your inside is kinda of like driving into a high crime area in a nice car, leaving the door open and idling with a new stereo on the seat while you go into a store…
 
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I know it hasn't officially been revealed yet, but I was looking at the race schedule for season 2 of the 2021 Manufacturers Series, and I began to get curious on which particular layouts would be used. For example, we just had a Gr.3 event at Fuji Speedway in season 1, but in season 2, there's another round at Fuji, albeit with Gr.4 cars this time, so I can only assume it'll be with the one other layout that's available for Fuji Speedway. Meanwhile, there's another round at Sardegna, and two of those layouts were already seen in season 1, so I'd imagine the sole remaining layout would be featured here, especially since it uses Gr.4 cars.

I remain interested to see what happens with the rounds at Maggiore and Blue Moon Bay, as well as Dragon Trail, but I will definitely be skipping the Gr.3 race at Tsukuba, as it's one of my least-favorite courses when the cars used have over 200 hp.

At any rate, I am definitely excited for the Gr.4 race at Interlagos, which kicks off season 2.

EDIT: I just took a look at the season 2 schedule for the Nations Cup - not that I plan to enter - but it's interesting how the locales have not been seen in neither the season 1 or season 2 schedules for the Manufacturers Series, such as Willow Springs, Suzuka, Kyoto Driving Park, and Autopolis. Hopefully, we'll see these locales in the eventual third and final season of the Manufacturers Series, and perhaps some other locales, like Circuit de St. Croix.

EDIT2: I also am aware that this would be a somewhat drastic change that would more likely appear in GT7's iteration of the FIAGTCs, but I would be very content with either more automakers being added to the Manufacturers Series, or more classes being featured, rather than just Gr.4 and Gr.3. (KTM could easily be added, between the X-Bow GT4 and the GTX for a potential Gr.3 car.) That said, there are plenty of cars from across time - and ones that could be designed by Polyphony Digital - that could be added to either Gr.4 or Gr.3.

On a similar note, I wonder what will happen regarding Renault Sport being re-branded to Alpine? I think that it's too late for this change to be implemented into GT7, but I could see Renault Sport staying as a brand, with all the cars included, but the brand being replaced with Alpine for the Manufacturers Series. So you could still check out the Renault Sport R.S.01 GT3 from Brand Central, but you'd be unable to race with it in the Manufacturers Series, perhaps instead using some sort of Gr.3 version of the Alpine A110.
 
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I know it hasn't officially been revealed yet, but I was looking at the race schedule for season 2 of the 2021 Manufacturers Series, and I began to get curious on which particular layouts would be used. For example, we just had a Gr.3 event at Fuji Speedway in season 1, but in season 2, there's another round at Fuji, albeit with Gr.4 cars this time, so I can only assume it'll be with the one other layout that's available for Fuji Speedway.
Nope.
It is the layout they always use.

@MIE1992 I've just seen your edits.
They haven't released the next Nations schedule yet so that is still the season just gone.
 
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Dude, do you always just let guys come up on your inside like that?
For myself, my opinion on that, if you are going to occupy that outside and just yield the inside line to any car approaching you might as well lift early and give up the position.
I race a LOT against all these guys in this game at the top on NA.
Imo you cannot expect ANY of them to give you anything, or expect them not to rub.
I’m not saying ALWAYS defend inside, just defend it if you don’t want guys chucking it in there.
There is absolutely no excuse for the other guy forcing Roman off there. There was an acre of room on the inside to make the pass cleanly. If it was a situation where they were on different tires and Roman was giving up the spot to not lose too much time, is the other dude still entitled to punt him?
Racing is a non-contact sport, nope . . . I am seeing more of a "rubbing is racing" attitude.
In my mind it is a bit of a grey area, entirely dependent on situation. Formula cars and Gr1,2,3 in this game, contact should be avoided at all costs since the cars will spin on a dime. In the cars normally used for Daily A, I find a little bit of door-to-door contact is OK, as long as both drivers are fundamentally trying to be clean.
As you said above this situation was the result of several factors but the root cause was lack of situational awareness-you didn’t see the Vette until it was too late.
The Vette is doing just what I explain all top players do-controlling space.
There is a huge difference between controlling space and shoving a guy off. Roman might have made a mistake in situational awareness in leaving the door open, but that in no way excuses the other guy from what he did.

Jmo-it’s good to have an alt-get it to E-E and literally pick a fight with whole lobbies in daily events. Like make it where everyone is trying to off each other. This is how you can learn about controlling space and helps situational awareness.
I think you need to step away from the game and take a breather. This sort of approach just creates a negative feedback loop on driving standards. All of those E rated drivers you are punting around to practice "controlling space" might be new to the game and get the impression that your dodgem car behaviour is the norm. Guess how they are going to drive once they move on up to C, B and A? Holding grudges and 'punt on sight' approaches are not going to help anyone.
 
There is absolutely no excuse for the other guy forcing Roman off there. There was an acre of room on the inside to make the pass cleanly. If it was a situation where they were on different tires and Roman was giving up the spot to not lose too much time, is the other dude still entitled to punt him?
That’s not a punt, in fact it could be he was trying to leave space but missed by a few inches. He didn’t steer towards him. A punt is using the front of the car to push the rear of the car ahead, and is dirty. The guy isn’t entitled to punt, but that maneuver isn’t applicable here-bottom line Roman left himself open, was unaware of the Vette and ended up off track for those reasons.
n my mind it is a bit of a grey area, entirely dependent on situation. Formula cars and Gr1,2,3 in this game, contact should be avoided at all costs since the cars will spin on a dime. In the cars normally used for Daily A, I find a little bit of door-to-door contact is OK, as long as both drivers are fundamentally trying to be clean.
Dude there’s always side side contact in those cars in GTS, they have so much downforce they are very planted.
Street cars in GTS is Road Warrior. Look at the Supra Cup top splits. Lol it’s a war zone! We have to admit reality here. I’m not saying I like it but I’m not going to pretend this games clean at 99 SR!
There is a huge difference between controlling space and shoving a guy off. Roman might have made a mistake in situational awareness in leaving the door open, but that in no way excuses the other guy from what he did.
Maybe he had no intention of offing Roman-he was maybe doing what every other player in GTS will do-taking an inside line when it’s given.
That’s not dirty in itself.
I think you need to step away from the game and take a breather. This sort of approach just creates a negative feedback loop on driving standards. All of those E rated drivers you are punting around to practice "controlling space" might be new to the game and get the impression that your dodgem car behaviour is the norm. Guess how they are going to drive once they move on up to C, B and A? Holding grudges and 'punt on sight' approaches are not going to help anyone.
I’m saying that in order to increase situational awareness go to lower lobbies. On NA usually B-B E-E can be a destruction derby.
A guy can learn a lot by racing against lawless dirty drivers trying to kill him.
I mean it will increase situational awareness, which is the root cause of Romans trouble in the video.

Im here to tell you, just last night I raced a player top 100 in the entire world. I was at Catalunya, and decided to defend, since it’s hard to overtake there.
He ran side by side turn one then tried to run me off turn two by using the whole track when we entered side by side.
He got nervous when I was still behind turns 3-4. Turn five he went way too deep on brakes and made a huge mistake and I overtook him again.
Next lap he punted me hard at turn five, but luckily I know how to handle scum like that because I’ve raced a lot of them. He rammed me again exiting but I crossed over AS HE ACTIVELY TRIED TO SIDESWIPE ME OFF TRACK and MISSED, because I was on brakes settling my car.
So don’t talk to me about stop playing the game lol.
I’m trying to help those in esports. This is pretty much it.
ESPORTS IS RUTHLESS.
If you don’t like that maybe you would be better served in a nice polite lobby like one of the many clubs and leagues here.
But as far as esport goes it’s about CONTROLLING outcomes. Guys don’t care-look at the Olympics race one-guy divebombs the last turn from s quarter mile back and takes out many players.
The points leader is run off the road lap one final race…I say find ways to DEAL with online racing, not stick our heads in the sand and pretend everything’s fair and clean.
 
Meanwhile, there's another round at Sardegna, and two of those layouts were already seen in season 1, so I'd imagine the sole remaining layout would be featured here, especially since it uses Gr.4 cars.
Yes its Road Track B. A and C were used in Season 1
 
Guess how they are going to drive once they move on up to C, B and A?
The game scoring system is setup such that as a B driver you only need B sr. A-A so on and so forth.
There’s some fast guys in B B on NA, they aren’t CONSISTENT, but they aren’t slow.

JMO as long as the scoring and rules are what they are players will do everything that is not penalized in order to gain points.
There’s not much in the way of rules right now in GTS, really.
You as a player can choose to hold yourself to whatever personal standard you feel is appropriate but that’s an individual opinion of sorts.
The objective reality is what the game penalizes and sr downs.
 
1st half stats...
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Well, I finally got around to writing most of my race reports. Still got the two final races (Nurburgring GP and Sardegna A) to write out, but for now:

Manufacturers - Tokyo South Inner Loop Gr.4

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Strategy: Pit on lap 8.5 for fuel only

My qualifying was not great, but at least I was not at the back. Unsurprisingly, carnage happened in the docks as the Thai polesitter in a Ferrari braked too late and got a wall penalty, before accidentally hitting the Australian McLaren in 2nd on the rejoin:
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The Australian tried to recover from the hit, but got tapped by the Japanese Viper in 3rd, pitching the Aussie into a slide down the order to 10th, with a penalty for cutting the dock's exit:
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Meanwhile, I pass an Indonesian Lancer that also overcooked his entry into the docks, before passing the aforementioned McLaren that had hit the wall on exit before the tunnel.

Things settled down for a couple of laps until I braked a little too late and tapped the back of a Subaru despite taking evasive measures, taking a 1 second penalty for the hit.
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More carnage ensured at the penalty zone as three cars ahead had to serve penalties down a narrow straight:

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A Corvette unghosted right of front of a BMW, and I ended up tapping said BMW wide and killing his exit speed as a result. Fortunately, I did not get another penalty for the accidental contact.
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The Corvette then tried to go 2 wide into the esses of Sector 3 with me, before turning in on me when I had the inside line. He ended up putting himself in the wall and causing mayhem for the pack behind, allowing me to get away and serve my penalty without losing the slip.
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I pitted on lap 8 and emerged 6th after the round of stops. My second stint was uneventful until lap 13, when a Mazda caught up to me and passed me. I attempted a divebomb into Pit Hairpin, but completely overcooked it and dropped to 8th behind the Mazda and the BMW from before.
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The BMW pulled away in 6th, while I passed the Mazda on the final lap into the docks. I got a corner cutting penalty out of the docks, but luckily got away with it as the Mazda was running on fumes by that point, allowing me to easily make the 1 second gap to keep 7th for 147 points. One and done.

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Nations - X2014 Jr. at Big Willow

Race 1 was going well, as I was in my target position of 7th despite going off at Budweiser and nearly getting spun by someone at the same corner. I was hassling 6th on the final lap before 6th decided to shove me off at the final corner and ruin my race:



Needless to say, I'm shoving him off next time I see him.

Race 2 was no better as I went off at Monroe Ridge on lap 1 and tried to rejoin. Unfortunately for me, I was rejoining behind a blind crest, resulting in someone running into me and handing me a 2 second penalty that dropped me to 18th. I tried to salvage the race, but an excursion at Rabbit's Ear on lap 14 put paid to that and left me to finish 11th.

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Strategy: 12S-11M

For Race 3, I decided to start on Softs for a safer start. It worked, but I just did not have the confidence to take the final corner flatout on Mediums, resulting in me dropping from 4th to 6th for 147 points.

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Nations - N300 Tsukuba

With my poor qualifying record and the difficulty of making passes at Tsukuba, I figured I had to run an alternate car to try and exploit the S-FR Racing's main weakness: its poor acceleration and speed. To that end, I picked the Ferrari F50 for its acceleration and speed, as well as its stable exit out of corners. I could just floor the throttle out of corners without TC; something I could not do in the S-FR, Supra or M4. In theory, the F50's acceleration would dump the S-FR down the straights and make it difficult for the S-FR to set up a pass into the corners.

In Race 1, I started 15th, but got caught in a massive dogfight in the low teens positions. The confined space and amount of traffic prevented me from exploiting my acceleration advantage. By the time I was able to get away from the fight, the most I could do was climb up to 10th and watch 9th and above sail off into the sunset while I finished with useless points. I had to go again.

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Race 2 qualifying was a total disaster, sending me to the back next to a 996 911 GT3. On the bright side, I had the inside line into turn 1 and the F50's acceleration was guaranteed to net me a few places.

I made up 8 places in the dogpile at turn 1, with another 2 cars getting spun in the chaos and a third car forced to serve 4 seconds of penalties for running up the back of other cars twice.
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The S-FR ahead of me then went in too hot into the final corner, plummeting down to 19th while I took 8th.
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Good news: I just had to take 7th to have my points count.

Bad news: 7th was running a very, very risque itasha, which unfortunately extended to the rear of his car.

I spent the first half of the race trying to find a way past while trying not to get distracted by the extremely suggestive pose on my quarry's rear bumper. By the start of lap 7, I was finally close enough to throw a dive up the inside into turn 1 to claim my target of 7th.
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However, my dive also meant that 6th had pulled away, leaving me without slipstream. While the F50's acceleration prevented the moving distraction from re-overtaking me, I was unable to close the gap to 6th, leaving me to finish 7th for 146 points.
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Manufacturers - Laguna Seca Gr.4

Like the Nations Exhibition Season's Corvette vs Cayman race at this very same track, I really was not on pace for this round. I forgot to switch to Hards for Race 1 and Races 2 and 3 were no better.

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Race 4 saw me start down in 15th, but I gained two places on lap 1 from a Toyota that hit the throttle too hard out of the final corner on race start and a Corvette that went off at turn 6.

I needed at least 12th to improve my score, but the GT-R that held my target decided to block me despite clearly lacking pace and dropping away from 11th. I spent several frustrating laps trying find a way past the slow GT-R. On lap 5, he got a penalty for cutting the Corkscrew, but I also got a penalty when he went deep into the final corner and I hit him while attempting a cutback, leaving me still stuck behind him.

The Toyota from before got past me and tried to get past the GT-R, but got pushed around by the GT-R that refused to give the Toyota any space. I got back past the Toyota by taking the inside into Rainy and despite me giving the Toyota as much space as I could, the Toyota ran wide without any contact between us.

On lap 8, the GT-R ran wide again at the final corner before trying to shove me into the pit wall when I tried to pass. Well aware of his antics by this point, I pushed back and made sure to hold the inside line into Andretti to make the move stick.
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By this point however, it was too late: 11th was 10 seconds down the road, making any further progress up the order impossible. I finished 12th for 100 points while the GT-R tumbled down to 16th before binning it at turn 5 on lap 14 and quitting.
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Nations - Fuji Gr.2

Once again, my poor qualifying and bad luck stymied my performance in the first three races, forcing me to go into Race 4 again.
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Strategy: No stop, short-shift at 25% to 50%, Fuel Map 1 throughout the race

I needed a top 5 finish for useful points, but I was starting in 12th. Luck however, would swing in my favour during the race....

I gained two places on lap 1 after one Lexus had to serve a penalty for running up the back of a NSX into TGR and another Lexus ran wide and spun out of the final corner.
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Fortunately for me, 4th to 9th were clumped into one messy pack, with their infighting allowing me to quickly close the gap. I made an opportunistic dive into turn 8 on lap 2, taking 9th off the NSX.
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9th became 7th as two cars ahead had to serve penalties: one for running into the back of someone at TGR and the other for cutting turn 8.

Now I was two places away from my target of 5th. By the start of lap 7, I could see that 3rd to 6th had formed another pack that were also fighting each other instead of working together. By lap 8, 1st and 2nd were also caught by the pack when the polesitter GT-R intentionally shoved his Lexus rival off at turn 2.

The brawling allowed me to climb up to 4th from 2 GT-Rs being slow out of turn 1 and a third GT-R serving a penalty for running into someone at TGR (sensing a pattern here?).

Karma came back to bite the polesitter GT-R as turn 3's kerb of death sent him into the wall and down to 11th with a wall penalty for good measure:
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I was now up to 3rd and quickly catching 2nd and 1st, who clearly had less fuel than me. My aggressive short-shifting gave me enough fuel and pace to easily mug both cars to take the lead at the start of lap 12 and keep the lead all the way to the flag for 177 points.

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I won the race by 1.3 seconds, with 2nd being one of the cars that had to serve a penalty for collision. Were it not for that penalty, I probably would not have won. So I won because everyone else were going off, fighting each other, serving penalties and/or running out of fuel, leaving me to waltz through to take the win.

This is my third win at Fuji and like my previous two wins, I won thanks to sheer dumb luck.

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As for the dirty polesitter, he went on to spin someone out, before making the fatal error of antagonising a Hongkonger by shoving him twice: once through 100R, and once down the main straight. That second shove was particularly egregious as the polesitter already had the run on the Hongkonger and had absolutely no reason to shove the Hongkonger onto the grass.

The Hongkonger retaliated by PIT-manouvering the polesitter down the main straight while the latter was slow from serving a penalty, sending the latter down to 18th on the final lap. The polesitter finished 17th after passing someone that went off.

Video of polesitter's dirty driving:


Polesitter got featured on Idiots of the Week Episode 36 (Clip #3) for his driving. XD

Video of my race:
 
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As you said above this situation was the result of several factors but the root cause was lack of situational awareness-you didn’t see the Vette until it was too late.
The Vette is doing just what I explain all top players do-controlling space.
He has your inside. At that point, if it were me, I’d tuck in behind and try to create a run somehow through the next sequence.
The Vette wasn't controlling space. If he was he'd make sure there was room there for the opponent. Sure they may have made a mistake but then they would have apologised afterwards at least. He fully intented to tuck in behind but wasn't given the chance as he was forced off.
There is absolutely no excuse for the other guy forcing Roman off there. There was an acre of room on the inside to make the pass cleanly. If it was a situation where they were on different tires and Roman was giving up the spot to not lose too much time, is the other dude still entitled to punt him?

In my mind it is a bit of a grey area, entirely dependent on situation. Formula cars and Gr1,2,3 in this game, contact should be avoided at all costs since the cars will spin on a dime. In the cars normally used for Daily A, I find a little bit of door-to-door contact is OK, as long as both drivers are fundamentally trying to be clean.

There is a huge difference between controlling space and shoving a guy off. Roman might have made a mistake in situational awareness in leaving the door open, but that in no way excuses the other guy from what he did.


I think you need to step away from the game and take a breather. This sort of approach just creates a negative feedback loop on driving standards. All of those E rated drivers you are punting around to practice "controlling space" might be new to the game and get the impression that your dodgem car behaviour is the norm. Guess how they are going to drive once they move on up to C, B and A? Holding grudges and 'punt on sight' approaches are not going to help anyone.
It's dependent on the category. Something like Touring Cars can take a bit of rubbing. Something like F1 cannot as the cars turn into airplanes. I haven't played an F1 game since 2016 for the same reason I stopped watching F1 in 2018. But on those games if you hit the back end of another car it was your car that spun. Not realistic but something to stop pit manoeuvres which was good. Perhaps something that effects the punting car physics wise would help with punters?
 
Only thing about that pass up the inside. With me, I leave about half a car width. I hate that rubbing side to side when entering a corner. Leave space so the other player isn't compromised.

I posted in the Daily about a race at Interlagos. I was side by side down the straight. Player slightly ahead, chose way left. As we begin to enter T1, while braking, the player moves close to me to make the turn, as they are using the VW. I had no chance to back off and I could only go so far right before I get pinched on the curb and wall. I went off just like the member above at Sardegna.

It's not just the player being passed, even in real racing, it's expected the player passing, leave room. That's fair play. It's what I do.
 
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Thing is you guys are missing the point.
You can argue ethics and morality all you like while your race is over and the guy who got your inside goes on to a podium finish.
Right wrong what have you are dictated by the games rules, in some people’s minds.
Those people are often your opponents.
Maybe many of you feel superior by pulling over and letting others beat you.
To my mind that’s not racing.
I’d rather not bother playing a racing game if I’m not going to race others.
Jmo
If others are going to go arcade then myself, from my side, I have to decide how to combat it.
Ultimately there’s no alternative but to also go arcade, if you want to try to beat them.
To me, I’ve played video games off and on since Pong.
I think you can’t apply standards you hold in your mind if the games standards are less stringent.
Or rather, you may, but others who play the game are not subject to those ideas.
They are simply subject to the games rules. (This is the argument many players might make)
 
And my opinion is that your "if you can't beat' em, join 'em" approach just drags down the general standard.
The general standard is set by the rules of the game ie pens and sr downs.
Even that might not do it, but at least strict sr standards seperate “simulator drivers” from “arcade gamers”
Or clean from dirty.
Consequences change behaviors.
 
Thing is you guys are missing the point.
You can argue ethics and morality all you like while your race is over and the guy who got your inside goes on to a podium finish.
Right wrong what have you are dictated by the games rules, in some people’s minds.
Those people are often your opponents.
Maybe many of you feel superior by pulling over and letting others beat you.
To my mind that’s not racing.
I’d rather not bother playing a racing game if I’m not going to race others.
Jmo
If others are going to go arcade then myself, from my side, I have to decide how to combat it.
Ultimately there’s no alternative but to also go arcade, if you want to try to beat them.
To me, I’ve played video games off and on since Pong.
I think you can’t apply standards you hold in your mind if the games standards are less stringent.
Or rather, you may, but others who play the game are not subject to those ideas.
They are simply subject to the games rules. (This is the argument many players might make)
Others aren't and that's expected. I posted before we sometimes need to drive FOR the other drivers.
At times some need an education that you won't be shoved around. Sometimes it's maturity not superiority to let someone have that position. That etiquette.

Many don't play by those rules. Sometimes those rules hinder players from enjoying a race.

I'm sure many agree about the negative aspects of online racing. What I've experienced, is more good than bad racing. If anyone comes across my name in a room(unless they're a knucklehead), they'll pretty much know I'm a respectful and respectable racer. We'll race hard but fair
 
The general standard is set by the rules of the game ie pens and sr downs.
Even that might not do it, but at least strict sr standards seperate “simulator drivers” from “arcade gamers”
Or clean from dirty.
Consequences change behaviors.
I think the biggest disconnect here is that you are all saying different things. The OP (Roman) simply posted a less than clean move that he didn't appreciate being done to him. You are saying that he should have expected it by not fully protecting the inside. Perhaps you're right, but that doesn't mean the move was justified or clean. That also doesn't make it his fault that the guy didn't leave space for him on the outside. People post things like that here expecting a communal "ah man that sucks, sorry to see that kind of thing" and that's what we do, then we move on. When you come on here and blame the guy who got pushed off, barged or whatever you want to call it, and also fail to acknowledge that it wasn't a clean move that Roman didn't deserve....people aren't going to take that very well and might even interpret it as you excusing that kind of behavior. Should he have covered the inside? Probably so. But was that a dirty move by the BFR guy? Definitely. What you are saying doesn't conflict with his post that I can see. It really wouldn't hurt you very much to simply express some empathy toward the guy, and that doesn't mean you need to curb your lectures about fighting fire with fire and expecting the worst out of players...you can do both, and maybe you won't get such negative responses to your input.
 
Btw, there's a guy I often race against in EMEA called BFR_JAY84, is it the same?
That was my immediate thought, have also raced against him (not much) but can't say I remember too much in the way of bad behaviour (and the bad ones usually stick out)
 
If anyone comes across my name in a room(unless they're a knucklehead), they'll pretty much know I'm a respectful and respectable racer. We'll race hard but fair
Lol I gotta go there, but first time I raced you live do you remember what happened?
At Alsace reverse? Do we need to show replay?
I didn’t think so.
It really wouldn't hurt you very much to simply express some empathy toward the guy, and that doesn't mean you need to curb your lectures about fighting fire with fire and expecting the worst out of players...you can do both, and maybe you won't get such negative responses to your input
It’s a very sensitive issue for me, seeing a guy get elbowed out like that.
It’s happened to me so many times and will do so many more times.
Basically, yeah it sucks yeah it’s awful driving, but yeah you gotta expect it is my take.
I get worked up about it. I see how things play out. Seeing it makes me angry.
It’s always the same with an awful lot of fast guys, you gotta race aggressive against them and they won’t be fair unless there’s a threat they will get shoved off or penalized.
But I mean for me to go oh you poor thing did the big mean DBR guy shove you?
I mean that’s pointless. It’ll keep happening unless you drive in a way that prevents it.
Jmo
Yeah it pisses me off. But that move was so minor compared to crap that happens to me on a weekly basis so Im not that upset.
 
Lol I gotta go there, but first time I raced you live do you remember what happened?
At Alsace reverse? Do we need to show replay?
I didn’t think so.

It’s a very sensitive issue for me, seeing a guy get elbowed out like that.
It’s happened to me so many times and will do so many more times.
Basically, yeah it sucks yeah it’s awful driving, but yeah you gotta expect it is my take.
I get worked up about it. I see how things play out. Seeing it makes me angry.
It’s always the same with an awful lot of fast guys, you gotta race aggressive against them and they won’t be fair unless there’s a threat they will get shoved off or penalized.
But I mean for me to go oh you poor thing did the big mean DBR guy shove you?
I mean that’s pointless. It’ll keep happening unless you drive in a way that prevents it.
Jmo
Yeah it pisses me off. But that move was so minor compared to crap that happens to me on a weekly basis so Im not that upset.
Show the replay. If it's in an archive, tag me.
I've gone back to June 2019. There's discussion about Alsace and Bathurst. Seen some of your posts and mine. Haven't found anything about us clashing... Yet.
 
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... What you are saying doesn't conflict with his post that I can see. It really wouldn't hurt you very much to simply express some empathy toward the guy, and that doesn't mean you need to curb your lectures about fighting fire with fire and expecting the worst out of players...you can do both, and maybe you won't get such negative responses to your input.
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Show the replay. If it's in an archive, tag me.
I've gone back to June 2019. There's discussion about Alsace and Bathurst. Seen some of your posts and mine. Haven't found anything about us clashing... Yet.
Exactly, you don’t even remember!
That was a lobby race, with others and I was a relative newcomer, trying hard with I believe gr2 cars (might be wrong on that but fast downforce racecars)
I had gotten ahead of you after you bobbled. I was holding my racing line and you got frustrated behind me and punted me hard into the left hander.
That was about the time I realized that lobbies were kinda pointless because no rules lol.
No apology. Nothing.
Now, for you you don’t even remember it, but to me at that time that was so hurtful.
I came to that lobby expecting this nice clean thing and soon as I manage to claw my way ahead a place BOOM punted from behind!
Passed!
No apology NOTHING!
I could see how pointless lobbies were and how much better sport mode was because of the SR SYSTEM.
This was my lobby experience, just like my first ever gr4 race at Maggiore GP when I qualified all afternoon, started like sixth, turn 2 got destroyed to last! Welcome to sim racing.
Bottom line, I’ve seen your racing since then and you seem a decent fellow.
But, when I was mr unknown scrub in the way I just got shoved aside.
Same as so many times Im trying my ass off in a daily and some non q A plus comes by bonks me aside and goes on his merry way, manu times ruining my race.
Time after time after time I’ve gotten the dirty play from streamers and guys starting last without qualifying etc.
Im done with it. Anymore I have a fuse that’s less than .0001” long unless I know you’re cool.
It happens to everyone and I get that, but at some point enough is enough.
Im not going to the trouble with that replay. I don’t wanna show the bad things so much.
Im not certainly saying I haven’t done worse either.
::🤷::

The discussion isn’t going anywhere. In relation to FIA racing my thoughts are above all be FAST and prepared, be prepared and ready to race and understand just because a guy SHOULD give space, it certainly doesn’t mean they WILL.

It just reminds me of last time mr 80k wanted by me at Catalunya.
Too bad dude. Too bad.
You coulda had it round outside but you tried to run me off.
Too bad minus points for you. Shoulda used an alt like everyone else!
 
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Exactly, you don’t even remember!
That was a lobby race, with others and I was a relative newcomer, trying hard with I believe gr2 cars (might be wrong on that but fast downforce racecars)
I had gotten ahead of you after you bobbled. I was holding my racing line and you got frustrated behind me and punted me hard into the left hander.
That was about the time I realized that lobbies were kinda pointless because no rules lol.
No apology. Nothing.
Now, for you you don’t even remember it, but to me at that time that was so hurtful.
I came to that lobby expecting this nice clean thing and soon as I manage to claw my way ahead a place BOOM punted from behind!
Passed!
No apology NOTHING!
I could see how pointless lobbies were and how much better sport mode was because of the SR SYSTEM.
This was my lobby experience, just like my first ever gr4 race at Maggiore GP when I qualified all afternoon, started like sixth, turn 2 got destroyed to last! Welcome to sim racing.
Bottom line, I’ve seen your racing since then and you seem a decent fellow.
But, when I was mr unknown scrub in the way I just got shoved aside.
Same as so many times Im trying my ass off in a daily and some non q A plus comes by bonks me aside and goes on his merry way, manu times ruining my race.
Time after time after time I’ve gotten the dirty play from streamers and guys starting last without qualifying etc.
Im done with it. Anymore I have a fuse that’s less than .0001” long unless I know you’re cool.
It happens to everyone and I get that, but at some point enough is enough.
Im not going to the trouble with that replay. I don’t wanna show the bad things so much.
Im not certainly saying I haven’t done worse either.
::🤷::

The discussion isn’t going anywhere. In relation to FIA racing my thoughts are above all be FAST and prepared, be prepared and ready to race and understand just because a guy SHOULD give space, it certainly doesn’t mean they WILL.
Punting people off because I bobbled and someone passes me(no matter the ranking). That sounds out of character. It's why I'd like to see what lead to that.
I'm no elitist about ranking. I started E/B just like everyone else. I can see where first time players brake way early, get out of shape, are cautious, feeling out the atmosphere(I still do before I think about setting a qualy time in a Daily). I even posted about me making mistakes and recently, accidentally, hit someone at Catalunya and I apologised post race.

This all does have to do with FIA, because we all have had bad races due to others. Most of us do want a good race each time our Entry is accepted.
 
Also Groundfish how long ago was this?! You need to see a therapist or something, holding on to inconsequential stuff like that is bad for your health, man.
Yeah I mean maybe for most people they just forget about it or don’t care or whatever.
That was easy to remember it was the first time I ever played online with people from here.
I’m not going to worry about it, but definitely stands out memory wise.
It was when the SR system was strict and the game hadn’t turned to crap in dailies yet at 99sr.

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I need to take time off from posting.
This has gone too far.

I will be back when I’m chill
 
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Exactly, you don’t even remember!
That was a lobby race, with others and I was a relative newcomer, trying hard with I believe gr2 cars (might be wrong on that but fast downforce racecars)
I had gotten ahead of you after you bobbled. I was holding my racing line and you got frustrated behind me and punted me hard into the left hander.
That was about the time I realized that lobbies were kinda pointless because no rules lol.
No apology. Nothing.
Now, for you you don’t even remember it, but to me at that time that was so hurtful.
I came to that lobby expecting this nice clean thing and soon as I manage to claw my way ahead a place BOOM punted from behind!
Passed!
No apology NOTHING!
I could see how pointless lobbies were and how much better sport mode was because of the SR SYSTEM.
This was my lobby experience, just like my first ever gr4 race at Maggiore GP when I qualified all afternoon, started like sixth, turn 2 got destroyed to last! Welcome to sim racing.
Bottom line, I’ve seen your racing since then and you seem a decent fellow.
But, when I was mr unknown scrub in the way I just got shoved aside.
Same as so many times Im trying my ass off in a daily and some non q A plus comes by bonks me aside and goes on his merry way, manu times ruining my race.
Time after time after time I’ve gotten the dirty play from streamers and guys starting last without qualifying etc.
Im done with it. Anymore I have a fuse that’s less than .0001” long unless I know you’re cool.
It happens to everyone and I get that, but at some point enough is enough.
Im not going to the trouble with that replay. I don’t wanna show the bad things so much.
Im not certainly saying I haven’t done worse either.
::🤷::

The discussion isn’t going anywhere. In relation to FIA racing my thoughts are above all be FAST and prepared, be prepared and ready to race and understand just because a guy SHOULD give space, it certainly doesn’t mean they WILL.

It just reminds me of last time mr 80k wanted by me at Catalunya.
Too bad dude. Too bad.
You coulda had it round outside but you tried to run me off.
Too bad minus points for you. Shoulda used an alt like everyone else!

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Punting people off because I bobbled and someone passes me(no matter the ranking). That sounds out of character. It's why I'd like to see what lead to that.
I'm no elitist about ranking. I started E/B just like everyone else. I can see where first time players brake way early, get out of shape, are cautious, feeling out the atmosphere(I still do before I think about setting a qualy time in a Daily). I even posted about me making mistakes and recently, accidentally, hit someone at Catalunya and I apologised post race.

This all does have to do with FIA, because we all have had bad races due to others. Most of us do want a good race each time our Entry is accepted.
I will vouch for @05XR8 . We've raced plenty of times and I've never seen him do anything remotely like what is being described here. I consider myself a clean driver, but I look like a monster compared to him.

The trap I often fall into is ascribing motive to other drivers and then feeling aggrieved because of that perceived motive. Sometimes there was no motive, there was either genuine mistakes, lag or some other contributing factor I can't see.

For example, I have been guilty of what looked like the worst punt in history because my TV went black for a couple of seconds approaching turn 1 at Fuji and I simply ploughed into the car in front of me. The guy I punted was no doubt convinced I am the dirtiest driver in the history of GT Sport, he probably even thinks my apology and explanation was a lame attempt to cover my filth. In reality, the hdmi copy protection on PS4 was to blame. Nothing else.

At the end of the day, you can't control what others do (intentionally or otherwise), you can only control how you react. I am finding in this game, enough reacting in a calm and considered way leads to better outcomes. I only wish I could practice it more often than I do.
 
This was my first ever attempt at a full season of the Manufacturers and I loved it. I skipped a couple in the middle due to other commitments, but happy with 295 points in the end. I know some of you guys are getting more points in a single race, but we've gotta start somewhere, right?

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Now, do I go for Mazda or Hyundai for the next season... ?
 
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