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I stopped trying to understand the ACO awhile ago when it comes to these adjustments.
 
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Ferrari receives double BoP hit for Monza WEC round

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BoP for the last few races.

I really don't understand how Toyota is getting buffed slightly when Ferrari got hit hard while Cadillac did get buffs, also got hit in other areas.
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Many complained with regards to the Toyota nerf for Le Mans, so this is probably a response to that. But I guess Toyota did not need to get buffed, just stay the same. I guess ACO went harsh on bop before Le Mans, to maybe indirectly trying to have a different winner than Toyota. Maybe to get more ratings to WEC? In any case they went too far, and I say this as a Ferrari fan.

Ferrari getting nerfed for especially Monza makes sense, that car is very fast on straights, just look at Spa onboards 👀. Caddy is a weird one though, I cannot understand that.
 
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Many complained with regards to the Toyota nerf for Le Mans, so this is probably a response to that. But I guess Toyota did not need to get buffed, just stay the same. I guess ACO went harsh on bop before Le Mans, to maybe indirectly trying to have a different winner than Toyota. Maybe to get more ratings to WEC? In any case they went too far, and I say this as a Ferrari fan.

Ferrari getting nerfed for especially Monza makes sense, that car is very fast on straights, just look at Spa onboards 👀. Caddy is a weird one though, I cannot understand that.
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I thought the issue was timing not the hits themselves, as they initially said not much BoP changes until after Le Mans but then felt like the changes were necessary (the non-Ferrari entries were struggling and Ferrari did get nerfed also here)
 
The crowd is really into Ferrari this race.

I think they're going to regret ditching Monza for Imola, next year.
 
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The crowd is really into Ferrari this race.

I think they're going to regret ditching Monza for Imola, next year.
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It doesnt make a difference really.

I do believe all Italian racetracks are considered as Ferrari's home race.

But Imola, Monza and Mugello hold a special place due to the Tifosi coming in huge numbers to support Ferrari.

Eventhough im not Italian I really do admire how the Italians come together to support their pride and joy. I hope one say to visit Maranello that place for me is a bucket list that I have to do.
 
Post race penalty for the #8 apparently, dropped to 6th. As a result the #51 Ferrari is level on points with the #7 now apparently.
 
Confirmed in the official results. 5 second stop and go turned into 45 seconds plus 5 seconds for the number 8. Used too much energy on a lap.
 
Glickenhaus may become the first casualty in the hypercar class unless they can get proper funding to upgrade the car.

I dont see Glickenhaus, Vanwall, De Thomaso and Isotta challenging any of the big car manufacturers. Same with privateer teams.
 
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Glickenhaus may become the first casualty in the hypercar class unless they can get proper funding to upgrade the car.

I dont see Glickenhaus, Vanwall, De Thomaso and Isotta challenging any of the big car manufacturers. Same with privateer teams.
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That is a bit of a Red Flag for the category, if the Manufacturers start to lose interest later on, there won't be any smaller Manufacturers or privateers as a cushion to the blow.
 
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That is a bit of a Red Flag for the category, if the Manufacturers start to lose interest later on, there won't be any smaller Manufacturers or privateers as a cushion to the blow.
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That's been the ACO and FIA's MO with the top class since Group C ended. They chase and court OEMs to join who stay for 3-4 years then leave. Audi and Toyota are the exceptions to that rule since then, but look at when Audi and Porsche left after 2016. Toyota was pretty much single handedly carrying the WEC until recently. They (FIA) could care less about the Glickenhauses, Rebellions, and those types of enthusiastic privateers. History is just repeating itself.
 
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Glickenhaus may become the first casualty in the hypercar class unless they can get proper funding to upgrade the car.

I dont see Glickenhaus, Vanwall, De Thomaso and Isotta challenging any of the big car manufacturers. Same with privateer teams.
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Glickenhaus was never really in a challenging position anyway (Even with adjustments) so the only real threat is them basically leaving due to funding, which I feel has been brought up even before this massive swarm of Manufacturers this year. "Vanwall" has never, and will never, Challenge anyone. They'll show up because its Colin's laundered money as usual and it'll be off pace and either have something mechanically related happen or it'll catch fire as is with Kolles tradition. So they purely exist just for our amusement (And a reminder that you CAN do worse then Peugeot has). Haven't heard or seen anything else of De Tomaso so I'm left wondering if they'll even be a thing on the grid let alone competitive. As for Isotta, definately a curious case as I have never heard of them prior to this year. I most certainly don't see them doing much in their first year but I'll be watching them the most regardless just because surely even they know its gonna be one hell of a climb to even remotely come close to the big Manufacturers yet they are commited.

One thing I am curious about though is should Manufacterers depart, where does that leave the teams that bought their Hypercars/GTP cars (The Protons, JOTAs and WRTs)?
 
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Glickenhaus may become the first casualty in the hypercar class unless they can get proper funding to upgrade the car.
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I don't know what to think about Glickenhaus...
The WEC commentators have the narrative that "Jim" Glickenhaus is a "selfmade" man and a kind of underdog everytime they show him with his cowboy hat looking at the monitors.
Then there are interviews where he said thinks like "company x doesn't pay me enough" to include Glickenhaus cars in the simulators/games -> less reach for sponsors/ads/liveries -> less money
 


Lamborghini will be fighting for overall wins in Imsa and the WEC.

Ferrari vs Lamborghini showdown in 2024 Lemans is going to be something special.
 
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Its the ACO, I expect the same from them as I do from the FIA with F1: They'll screw it up and not learn a single damn thing from said screwup.
 

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