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Still, I found the BOP for this race acceptable, if not good. If Toyota and Ferrari had 15kgs more each we probably would have had an even race with them and Cadillac/Porsche. But it was pretty close. They just have to address the straightline difference between the cars.
To me, BOP in the Hyperclass doesn't make any sense.
It's effectively punishing a manufacturer for engineering the best car, and I can imagine it could feel like all that work goes to waste at the hand of the ACO.

I mean, Peugeot was leading on merit at a point. Had they actually been slower, they wouldn't even have been in that position. Goes to show how hard the other manufacturers were hit given that the 9X8 until now has been an attrocious car.

I get that people want to see close racing, but in this segment of racing I don't believe BOP is a fair way to ensure close racing. Just let the manufacturer have at it, and if they aren't fast enough, better luck next year.

It's like DRS in F1: It was introduced to promote close racing, but all it does at this point is just giving drivers a free pass to a position gain. There is literally no point in having it.

I feel sort of indifferent about this year's Le Mans. The amateur drivers made way too many mistakes, way too many red flags and slow zones due to unnecessary crashes were part of the practice and qualifying sessions. I will admit that Ferrari did not set a foot wrong in the race. They were the fastest car out there, and they showed to also have the reliability, and perhaps even the better driver squad. But I still feel like neither manufacturer should have been driving around with ballast. Kobayashi really should've been in the #8 car, and Toyota made a big mistake putting the last stint up to a young and inexperienced driver in Hirakawa.
 
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I have a lot of thoughts to unpack the 2023 24 Hours of Le Mans. So if you're going to quote me, prepare your "TL;DR" remarks. Here goes...

Overall, the 2023 24 Hours of Le Mans was an amazing race!

The 2023 24 Hours of Le Mans was amazing! The Hypercar class was very competitive as a handful of Hypercar-level cars traded positions for the top spot. The only team that seemed consistent in leading was Ferrari. It was just wild seeing a lot of the different cars try to lead at Le Mans. I thoroughly enjoyed watching the different HY teams all try to lead this great race. It really felt like anyone in the Hypercar class cars could lead... and potentially win overall. However, once the action cooled off, the contenders separated themselves from the pretenders. I had no favorite to win outright. All I cared about was letting the top teams prove themselves as winners rather than simply picking out one team to win. Toyota held its ground for most of the race until Ferrari continually shadowed the leading Toyota team until eventually overtaking them all the way to an outright Le Mans win.

Because I was so focused on the Hypercar class, I didn't give much thought as to who would take LMP2. It's great for Poland to finally have a Le Mans-winning team when the No. 34 Europol Competition car won in class.

Corvette Racing brought only one car to Le Mans, and that lone entry won the GTE AM class in the swan song of the GTE AM class. I enjoyed following the Iron Dames Porsche team in the GTE AM class. Despite the Corvette's troubles, they still managed to win in class.

Finally... I got a LOT to say about the Hendrick Motorsports NASCAR Garage 56 Camaro. I was incredibly fascinated at all of the work Hendrick Motorsports did to create this one-of-a-kind, beautiful stock car to take on one of the world's greatest racing circuits in one of the world's greatest races. I liked the Deltawing, but this evolved stock car was even more intriguing than the funky Deltawing. Even as I was reading pathetic comments on YouTube during an onboard live stream, talking about the G56 Camaro like it was a meme car, I was simply awed at this one-of-a-kind race car take on Le Mans like it was a proper GT-spec racing car. I simply wanted this car to run the full 24 hour distance... and they did! They finished 39th overall- an impressive feat. I spent a lot of time on Facebook and Twitter praising this G56 Camaro.


Suffice to say, with all of the drama and chicanery of the 2023 24 Hours of Le Mans, this centenary anniversary of this great endurance is arguably among one of the greatest runnings of the 24 Hours of Le Mans in history. The 100th anniversary of this great endurance did not disappoint. Maybe you could be miffed about the slow pace with the slow zones and the Full Course Yellows, but the race was surely gripping and intriguing. This may be a modern Golden Age of sportscar racing we are looking at. Maybe you could say sportscar racing is becoming as exciting since the Group C sportscars raced. I LOVED Le Mans 2023 a lot. Glad to check it out and to have enjoyed the action. Le Mans is my Christmas, and this race was a Christmas gift I would never want to return.
 
As I prepare to cancel my subscription to Motortrend+ I would like to mention that it worked flawlessly across the iOS app, the Roku app, and the website. Really impressed.
 
Nice to see the top class at le mans have so many different manufacturers and provide such great drama.

Shame the number 8 Toyota crashed towards the end, I was hoping the 10-20 second gap between the front 2 would keep until the final hour, loved a ferrari win though.

One thing I didn't like it's the new safety car rule, it takes way too long to sort out the pack and get racing again, I'm sure some like it but it's not for me.

All in all a great race and here is hoping this was the start to a golden age of le mans.
 
I wasn’t really rooting for any team, but I was kind of rooting for them all. As a fan of competence, I could root for Toyota. As an American, I could root for Cadillac. As a fan of thinking outside the box, I could root for Peugeot. As a lifelong Stuttgart fan, I could root for Porsche. And as a fan of racing history, I could root for Ferrari. So any outcome was fine with me. I loved seeing so many different cars in the lead. Congratulations to Ferrari for a well run race and a well earned win. And next year promises to be even more competitive. It’s a golden age of Endurance racing right now.

I will admit I was rooting for the Iron Dames in GT Am. I’ll keep rooting for them this season, and I’m looking forward to next year when they switch to Lamborghini.
 
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Watch Truth in 24 and tell me that all they did was “show up”.
The 2nd one is arguably even better, with the McNish car being out of contention early and the Rockenfeller car crashing out during the night, effectively making it 3 Peugeots vs 1 Audi. The race engineers pulling that win out of thin air probably is their greatest achievement, outside of the original R8 coming out in 2000 and stealing everyone's lunch money.
 
F1 has some serious competition now. That race was really entertaining and being able to watch it on Stan without any interruptions made it even better. Even mum was showing interest, something I cannot say in regards to F1. I'd say that speaks volumes about the kind of intrigue endurance racing can provide. The new era is going to be great if this edition of the race is anything to go by.
 
Is the bop going to carry over to the rest of the series?
Officially no. The 24 hours of le mans is a special event with some extra rules/regulations and exceptions (for example tyre warmers are allowed).
But the bop (in le mans) has produced a very nice and interesting race this year and if I was the ACO I would think about keeping/adjusting the bop for the last races in the wec.
 
F1 has some serious competition now. That race was really entertaining and being able to watch it on Stan without any interruptions made it even better. Even mum was showing interest, something I cannot say in regards to F1. I'd say that speaks volumes about the kind of intrigue endurance racing can provide. The new era is going to be great if this edition of the race is anything to go by.
I had the race on the FIA WEC app, but actually ended up watching most of it on Eurosport as I was at my Mum's house all weekend. I enjoyed their coverage, but the ads were annoying, and I feel like I have the word Goodyear emblazoned on my retinas forevermore now.

This is the first year that I've pretty much given up on F1, and opted for FIA WEC and sports car racing instead, and I can't say that I've been disappointed so far. I'm off to Spa in a couple of weeks time for the Spa 24h too, which should be fun, though if my sleepiness watching LM24 on the TV is anything to go by, I'm probably going to struggle to see much of the race between 11pm and 7am.
 
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Were you saying the same thing about Audi when all they had to do to win was turn up?

Without the crash Toyota would have won. The. End.
Let us not forget safety cars were the only reason Toyota even had a chance, Toyota screwed up their strategy in the wet behind the 1 hr long safety car early race. So the best car and team won, the end.

I’m surprised to see so many people defend Toyota lol. Their dominance was against nobody. They had a 1 year head start on the regs and still lost
They got slapped with a big weight bop pre race, they had been domination whole WEC season but just couldn't get it done at Le Mans. While I am very happy for Ferrari since I support them, I am also a bit bummed for Toyota. They really deserved to win back in 2016 or 2017, but then could not survive the last lap 🥲.
 
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Hypercar is a huge success story for WEC. Gonna be fun next year with even more competition and Toyota's competition this year having even more experience. Also GT3 will probably revive GT cars class. Still a bit bummed for LMP2 getting axed, well except for Le Ams 24 but still.
 
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I get that people want to see close racing, but in this segment of racing I don't believe BOP is a fair way to ensure close racing. Just let the manufacturer have at it, and if they aren't fast enough, better luck next year.
The only thing such an experiment would result is F1 with longer races at the end. I get that the BOP model has its problems, but it is the best solution for now.
 
Like hell they will. As I just said, Factory teams aren't allowed in GT3 (The only reason Corvette Racing was even allowed to in IMSA for the past seasons was because they ran a car modified to compete with GT3 cars while developing a bespoke GT3 car, otherwise they are the only true last full factory effort) so "Ford Racing" sure isn't going to be allowed with its purpose built GT3 car. At most, Maybe as Multimatic or someone else with Ford Support (And that Ford Racing livery possibly) in the form of drivers and some personnel but thats as close as "Factory" as your gonna get in a class thats primary about Customer Racing (Hence the likes of "Mercedes Customer Racing" or "Audi Customer Racing" throughout GT3).
If them's the rules then them's the rules I guess. Ford finally had a public debut of the car on June 9 where they say it'll be a customer car offered globally, with Multimatic being the first IMSA operator and Proton the first WEC operator. Like you say, a Multimatic effort would be pretty dang close to a factory effort.

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There were 24 cars entered into LMP2 at Le Mans this year. They're gone from the regular season next year and will probably be diminished at Le Mans with more new GT3 and LMH cars coming in. I can't wait to see what G56 car shows up but honestly I wouldn't mind giving a few of those spots to a NASCAR "class" in 2024. Send like four of those things over there to race for position and see what happens.


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ACO has announced that for 2024 onwards, the LMP2 class will no longer be part of the WEC grid, but it'll still be part of the 24 Hours of Le Mans

Toyota and their hydrogen lol, whatever.

The only proactical thing I'm seeing about that car is the aesthetics. Let's hope Toyota debuts a TS060 or something which actually resembles a new Toyota car rather than just a blob prototype which they've been designing for decades now.

To me, BOP in the Hyperclass doesn't make any sense.
It's not the BoP that doesn't make sense, it's the class itself. LMH is completely pointless. After Aston pulled out and completely ruined the entire point of it (I 100% agree with Jim Glick on this) LMH is useless. Road car relevance is gone, engineering advantages are gone, drivetrain advantages are gone, it's dumb as a category. The cars are awesome and arguably perform sliiiiiightly better than GTP cars but overall it's a moot point now. LMH is just a moneypit for OEMs determined to spend the money - tbf Ferrari had a good excuse after the FIA minimized F1 workforces.

So because engineering is no longer a marketing factor for LMH, airtime becomes the biggest thing. And companies aren't going to field cars that don't get attention on TV, so if all the cars are performing the same and racing in a pack, everybody gets a piece of the marketing pie. That's why BoP is necessary, because without it somebody will always get left behind (the fan favorite NASCAR got almost zero airtime partly because it wasn't actually pegged to a category BoP), and when they get left behind they quit because it's no longer worth the investment to come from behind. That's why all the glorious categories of the past died off. F1 is another example of a brand that has often struggled to maintain grids, and ultimately has had to move away from traditional European roots just to find investment and interest.

BoP is the lifeblood of LMH, without it LMH is pointless, and the evidence is that there will be twice as many GTP cars as LMH because it's way more accessible. Arguably GTP cars are actually more relevant to OEMs because engineering decisions don't need to coalesce into the mold for performance, especially when it comes to drivetrains which so far come in four very different and unique-sounding flavors in GTP.
 
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If them's the rules then them's the rules I guess. Ford finally had a public debut of the car on June 9 where they say it'll be a customer car offered globally, with Multimatic being the first IMSA operator and Proton the first WEC operator. Like you say, a Multimatic effort would be pretty dang close to a factory effort.

There were 24 cars entered into LMP2 at Le Mans this year. They're gone from the regular season next year and will probably be diminished at Le Mans with more new GT3 and LMH cars coming in. I can't wait to see what G56 car shows up but honestly I wouldn't mind giving a few of those spots to a NASCAR "class" in 2024. Send like four of those things over there to race for position and see what happens.


Toyota and their hydrogen lol, whatever.

The only proactical thing I'm seeing about that car is the aesthetics. Let's hope Toyota debuts a TS060 or something which actually resembles a new Toyota car rather than just a blob prototype which they've been designing for decades now.
Like this TS050 roadcar shown pre race 2020?

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Let us not forget safety cars were the only reason Toyota even had a chance, Toyota screwed up their strategy in the wet behind the 1 hr long safety car early race. So the best car and team won, the end.


They got slapped with a big weight bop pre race, they had been domination whole WEC season but just couldn't get it done at Le Mans. While I am very happy for Ferrari since I support them, I am also a bit bummed for Toyota. They really deserved to win back in 2016 or 2017, but then could not survive the last lap 🥲.
Also not to forget that the Peugeot had a 90 second lead before the safe car.
 
Managed to watch a good amount of the coverage this year. Was pleased to see Ferrari win, but probably more pleased to see Toyota not win, with them being so dominent in the top class in recent years. Shame Porsche ended up not as competitive/reliable as i thought they may have been after watching the first couple of hours. The Cadilac went well and sounded great too and i thought it was quite similar looking to the 499P, but as it was also a Dallara-built chassis i guess that's to be expected.

The garage 56 Hendricks Nascar was barely shown during Eurosports footage, aside from a few cut-scene mini documentaries. They were like a ghostly entity that had no baring on anything else happening in the race and the TV footage, or lack of, reflected that. It's a shame as they showed great promise in quali, being four seconds quicker than the GTEs, but in the race they ended up no quicker than them.

Also a shame the Iron Dames didn't quite podium in GTE. At one point, fairly late on in the race, they were leading and looked the best place to stage a fight with Corvette for the top spot.
 
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Also not to forget that the Peugeot had a 90 second lead before the safe car.
True but I think Ferrari would have had the pace catch up that amount of time 🤔. Pity for #94 Peugeot crashing and same for #38 Porsche. Could have been an even closer race in the end.
 
Like this TS050 roadcar shown pre race 2020?

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This was a product of the original LMH rules, long before Aston pulled out of LMH. The GR Super Sport concept was originally a coupe shown in 2018 and was part of the original negotiations for class rules, same as the Valkyrie. Toyota displayed this roadster version partly as an effort to display their development progress and encourage other OEMs to join in. Ultimately they axed it in 2021.

The whole purpose of LMH was to bring back road-homologated GT1 basically. But GT1 died after only a few years soooo that was never going to be a good idea lol.

Toyota not win, with them being so dominent in the top class in recent years.
I actually argue against Toyota's "dominance", partly because they're the only OEM determined enough to stay in it, but mostly because they haven't actually won against a mass-market OEM peer yet. They never did beat Audi or Porsche (almost), and then they went away and Toyota effectively ran by itself, and now that another mass-market OEM has entered they lost again. And they lost using the same V6TT AWD hybrid layout with aero specs and BoP. Of course the only reason they lost was a driver mistake, they probably had it in the bag, but mistakes happen in 24 hours and if you can't build a buffer then you're playing with fire. I honestly don't think they've ever been dominant at Le Mans because they either lost or were the only one with a realistic chance.
 
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I actually argue against Toyota's "dominance", partly because they're the only OEM determined enough to stay in it, but mostly because they haven't actually won against a mass-market OEM peer yet. They never did beat Audi or Porsche (almost), and then they went away and Toyota effectively ran by itself, and now that another mass-market OEM has entered they lost again. And they lost using the same V6TT AWD hybrid layout with aero specs and BoP. Of course the only reason they lost was a driver mistake, they probably had it in the bag, but mistakes happen in 24 hours and if you can't build a buffer then you're playing with fire. I honestly don't think they've ever been dominant at Le Mans because they either lost or were the only one with a realistic chance.
Which is the main reason why i was happy to see them beat. Dominance when there's decent competition maybe dull, but it is at least begrudgingly worthy of praise - as in the Audi era. But Toyota, for the most part, were up against garagistas. Their winning streak still stands in the black and white of the record books, but to me at least, it doesn't rank like Audi or Porsche's dominence does.
 
Which is the main reason why i was happy to see them beat. Dominance when there's decent competition maybe dull, but it is at least begrudgingly worthy of praise - as in the Audi era. But Toyota, for the most part, were up against garagistas. Their winning streak still stands in the black and white of the record books, but to me at least, it doesn't rank like Audi or Porsche's dominence does.
Realistically, Audi isn't THAT much better. Sure Cadillac was an OEM and Panoz was a factory effort but neither were hardly "Competition" for them in 2000 - 2002 (Same goes for the rebadged Reynard 2KQ under "Chrysler", though credit for somehow getting a Sprint car engine to last 24 Hours). Bentley obviously only won because the same team that ran the winning Audis before was running it in 2003 before it was back to business in 2004 with Team Goh. The ACO had to penalize the hell out of Audi for them to even actually have SOME type of competition in 2005 but again in 2006 (when the doom & gloom about racing becoming silent began because a Diesel showed up), no one could touch them and I am positive Pescarolo wouldn't count as an OEM. 2007-2011 Was the first real time Audi had competition but frankly, I'd almost argue it was beyond one-sided at the race as Peugeot was just not consistant enough at Le Mans with 2009 the first time anyone actually dethroned Audi on merit ( and the only time Peugeot did, mostly because Audi did something they usually don't do: Make an awful car AND make mistakes). From 2012 to 2015, Audi won with typical Toyota luck and Porsche not quite being the gelled unit they would become from 2016-2017 (Where Audi was very Un-Audi in their last season). All in all, Most of Audi's success in their 16 year run came at most with 1 other actual competitive OEM (which either didn't have it together or were just cursed) and at best, only twice did they best the rest when it was more then one (Which again, was before Porsche finally gelled together). So just looking at the results, they showed up and had most of their success when the fewest makes turned up.

If them's the rules then them's the rules I guess. Ford finally had a public debut of the car on June 9 where they say it'll be a customer car offered globally, with Multimatic being the first IMSA operator and Proton the first WEC operator. Like you say, a Multimatic effort would be pretty dang close to a factory effort.

Can't say I'm shocked, The ties go far back between Ford and Multimatic so I figured if Ford chose anyone for IMSA operation it was going to be them.

As this is the WEC thread, we now know who Ford has chosen. Who will Chevy chose? Only two names come to my mind when it comes to being heavily associated with Corvette in Europe and that's both Larbre Competition (based on previous WEC attempts) and Callaway (Which would be interestingly be the first time they'd run a Corvette NOT made by them if that happens).
 
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This was a product of the original LMH rules, long before Aston pulled out of LMH. The GR Super Sport concept was originally a coupe shown in 2018 and was part of the original negotiations for class rules, same as the Valkyrie. Toyota displayed this roadster version partly as an effort to display their development progress and encourage other OEMs to join in. Ultimately they axed it in 2021.

The whole purpose of LMH was to bring back road-homologated GT1 basically. But GT1 died after only a few years soooo that was never going to be a good idea lol.


I actually argue against Toyota's "dominance", partly because they're the only OEM determined enough to stay in it, but mostly because they haven't actually won against a mass-market OEM peer yet. They never did beat Audi or Porsche (almost), and then they went away and Toyota effectively ran by itself, and now that another mass-market OEM has entered they lost again. And they lost using the same V6TT AWD hybrid layout with aero specs and BoP. Of course the only reason they lost was a driver mistake, they probably had it in the bag, but mistakes happen in 24 hours and if you can't build a buffer then you're playing with fire. I honestly don't think they've ever been dominant at Le Mans because they either lost or were the only one with a realistic chance.
Hypercars from Toyota and Ferrari are more like Prototypes rather than Road going homologations.

It doesnt make sense as Aston Martin withdrew which means LMDH has more of an advantage since they are prototypes which have no sort of link to any road cars.

Glickenhaus got screwed by Aston Martin.
 
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The race was pretty cool but I hate the new security car rules, too complicated, some drivers didnt even undertand them completely which led to accident that could have been avoided. Those slow zone werent that good either. I'm not sure what's wrong with double yellow and the usual security. This new rules is like if you a team was winning 3-0 in soccer and one of their player get a red card, suddently there's 3-3. Or if a basketball team is leading 53 to 40 and one of their player does a flagrant foul, both team are now 53 - 53. It's just doesnt make sens in a sport.

Also for people praising Ferrari, you seems to forget Toyota got some weight (38kg if I remember right) right before the race, so off course they were gonna struggle and had to overdrive the car to stay with the leader.
 
Also for people praising Ferrari, you seems to forget Toyota got some weight (38kg if I remember right) right before the race, so off course they were gonna struggle and had to overdrive the car to stay with the leader.
+37kg. Ferrari got a +24kg weight increase too, the net difference between the cars was 16kg, they're the two heaviest cars on the grid.
 
Also for people praising Ferrari, you seems to forget Toyota got some weight (38kg if I remember right) right before the race, so off course they were gonna struggle and had to overdrive the car to stay with the leader.
Watching that first, start > 1st pit stop session, it did appear that the Toyota's were really struggling with front end grip towards the end of the stint. They did overcome it with pit strategy throughout the race though, as you'd expect for a team that's been competing there since 2012.
 
Honestly im curious about what Lamborghini will bring to Imsa and the WEC.

Lemans especially is like the holy grail to Lamborghini.

Lamborghini barely has a motorsport history only until now they have been involved with GT3 racing have been pretty successful at it but efforts before were mainly done by privateers with less success.

Ferrari vs Lamborghini in top class is going to great to see even if Lamborghini will never have Ferrari's history but still good to see how the rivalry has now come to the top class.

Lamborghini has now seen the potential of motorsport rather than sticking with Feruccio Lamborghini's outdated philosophy of no racing.
 
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