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Seems my early call about Ford's having more heat related issues due to the tight fit of the engine in the engine bay is starting to show itself to be true. We now have a rolling start today. 
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Even though I wished we had more time for the other races earlier in the weekend, but overall the racing when it was green was awesome. Hopefully they figure out what was making the Mustangs have there issues by Perth. This year is gonna be awesome. Just wished we had more rounds this year though.
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This year will be awesome... for GM fans.
I'm already sick of watching Camaro's blow by the Mustangs in a straight line, while the Mustangs struggle to even keep in the draft of the Camaro. Brown even said how he was almost as quick on the hards as the Fords on softs.
The Ford teams (below) concerns need to be addressed... along with CoG which will also be favouring the GM product due to it's lighter weight panels. At least CoG will be tested, finally
, this coming week.
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I'm already sick of watching Camaro's blow by the Mustangs in a straight line, while the Mustangs struggle to even keep in the draft of the Camaro. Brown even said how he was almost as quick on the hards as the Fords on softs.
The Ford teams (below) concerns need to be addressed... along with CoG which will also be favouring the GM product due to it's lighter weight panels. At least CoG will be tested, finally
, this coming week.
Ford teams meet over Gen3 parity concerns
Ford Mustangs from Walkinshaw Andretti United and Tickford Racing. Picture: Ross Gibb Photography Ford Supercars teams are understood to have
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It is ridiculous. I'm not going to sound pleased because I was in the same boat when the Commodore ZBs couldn't hold a candle to the Gen2 Mustangs.This year will be awesome... for GM fans.
I'm already sick of watching Camaro's blow by the Mustangs in a straight line, while the Mustangs struggle to even keep in the draft of the Camaro. Brown even said how he was almost as quick on the hards as the Fords on softs.
The Ford teams (below) concerns need to be addressed... along with CoG which will also be favouring the GM product due to it's lighter weight panels. At least CoG will be tested, finally
Ford teams meet over Gen3 parity concerns
Ford Mustangs from Walkinshaw Andretti United and Tickford Racing. Picture: Ross Gibb Photography Ford Supercars teams are understood to have
In saying that, I am pleased that Erebus look to be in a fighting chance. I rather them take the title instead of T888
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While it was blatantly obvious that the Gen 2 Mustang was superior I gotta say I was extremely happy about the situation. What with the previous year of the ZB being blatantly superior, Supercars refusal to do anything about it, no CoG testing when asked for by the Ford teams and the complete stonewalling of the suggestion by T8, and then the topper of RD's ''they should build a better car''. I found it very satisfying while also knowing it was unfair.
It was a case of ''you (Supercars) didn't change anything after the introduction of the ZB so don't touch the Mustang'' for me... and we know how that ended up.
ZB's winning everything = parity achieved. 
The last time the cars were close to even in my opinion was the VF versus FGX. The trouble then was there was three manufacturers and they forgot about the Nissan. We all know any brand other than GM or Ford was basically treated as a second rate citizen in the Supercars parity stakes unfortunately.
And they wonder why no one else wants to join.
👍 Same for me.
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I feel really bad for them.
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I'm so confused by all this.
Tries to define that parity isn't the same as BoP but then describes BoP like its Super GTs Ballast system which is completely different to BoP.
And did he not watch the race, it wasn't a few Ford Teams struggling at Albert Park, they all were and their cars were all in danger of blowing up, spent a little too much time at the top, I think
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He's been saying this pretty much all along and with this BS he's lost all credibility with me. Does he take us for idiots? No one is confused... except possibly him.
Anyone that can outright lie like this is not to be trusted, and while I'd previously given them the benefit of doubt before, it's now to the point that I don't even believe what was said about the driver cooling system debacle.
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For me the damming evidence of this issue for me is from Thursday’s race when Brown got past Chaz pretty easy. Sure he might’ve had the effect of the toe from the car in front. But still Chaz had nothing to fight back with. Hopefully they get on top of this quickly. I just can’t get what Jamie sees. Even as a T8 fan I just want to see fair competition. Not just all Camaros. Sure the racing between them has been great. But the Fords aren’t a factor. Which isn’t fair at all.
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I’m posting it, but I’m not going to bother reading it. Sure, it’s speedcafe.com and their titles, at times, can and do mislead. However, I just can’t with Supercars. Wasn’t this the actual reason why Gen3 was created? Or, were Supercars just placing a band-aid on the series, to win over people like me, who weren’t or stopped watching the series, to lure back in with a sugar coated topping?
I mean, I know I spent my money to see the cars at Newcastle… job done. Plus, the cars and racing did look good in person. Behind the scenes tells a different story though.
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Sure, it’s speedcafe.com and their titles, at times, can and do mislead. However, I just can’t with Supercars. Wasn’t this the actual reason why Gen3 was created? Or, were Supercars just placing a band-aid on the series, to win over people like me, who weren’t or stopped watching the series, to lure back in with a sugar coated topping?I mean, I know I spent my money to see the cars at Newcastle… job done. Plus, the cars and racing did look good in person. Behind the scenes tells a different story though.
Supercars working with teams to cut Gen3 costs
Cost-cutting has become a key conversation around Gen3. Picture: Ross Gibb Photography Teams are working with Supercars to cut costs
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It's a disappointing disaster. This project was set to revive our sport, but it's created more drama than anything. And that's not all the teams fault. It's Supercars fault. It was a disaster when they didn't let the group of Morris, Doohan, etc. To take over the sport with people that knew what needed to be done to save the category. I question why i waste my weekends watching now, because it's becoming more and more of a circus show than just car racing.I’m posting it, but I’m not going to bother reading it.
I mean, I know I spent my money to see the cars at Newcastle… job done. Plus, the cars and racing did look good in person. Behind the scenes tells a different story though.
Supercars working with teams to cut Gen3 costs
Cost-cutting has become a key conversation around Gen3. Picture: Ross Gibb Photography Teams are working with Supercars to cut costs
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A step in the right direction. 👍
I vaguely recall this happening at the start of COTF too, so it's not really anything that hasn't had to be dealt with before.
Also I heard on a podcast that the results of the CoG testing were supposed to be looked at on Thursday. It was also mentioned on the podcast that the rumours were there wasn't anything really significantly different. Only a 4 mm difference in CoG height from the best to the worst (if I recall correctly it was .2% Edit: I just checked and I did recall correctly).
Podcast is here: https://www.revlimiter.com.au/podca...river-fiddly-bits-auto-action-revlimiter-2023
I vaguely recall this happening at the start of COTF too, so it's not really anything that hasn't had to be dealt with before.
Also I heard on a podcast that the results of the CoG testing were supposed to be looked at on Thursday. It was also mentioned on the podcast that the rumours were there wasn't anything really significantly different. Only a 4 mm difference in CoG height from the best to the worst (if I recall correctly it was .2% Edit: I just checked and I did recall correctly).
Podcast is here: https://www.revlimiter.com.au/podca...river-fiddly-bits-auto-action-revlimiter-2023
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Gracie outlines Bathurst 1000 return plan
Renee Gracie has outlined her plan to return to the Bathurst 1000 Renee Gracie has outlined how her return to
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It’s never gonna happen. No team will let her purchase a car and I’m not sure who would field a crew to help her run the car.
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Sort of intrigued as to if the TV broadcast will give her much coverage during the GT races this weekend. I expect them to avoid speaking about her at all costs unless they absolutely have to.Gracie outlines Bathurst 1000 return plan
Renee Gracie has outlined her plan to return to the Bathurst 1000 Renee Gracie has outlined how her return to
It’s never gonna happen. No team will let her purchase a car and I’m not sure who would field a crew to help her run the car.
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Not being familiar with the person or past seasons that much, what's the issue? Was there some controversy surrounding her in the past, or is she just not that good of a driver?
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Yes there was/is some controversy and yes, she's also not that good of a driver.
The controversy is that she's in adult entertainment and has an OnlyFans page. She also has OnlyFans sponsorship in the GT category. While that shouldn't preclude her from racing IMHO, she's just not that good a driver.
Simona De Silvestro came over here to do Bathurst as a wildcard with her years ago and absolutely smashed her times, and this was when Gracie had been driving Super 2, so was familiar with the cars, and De Silvestro was a newb to the category. Simona's talent far surpassed Renee's, and Simona ended up with a full time drive in the Supercars series while Renee went to porn.
While she (Gracie) says she serious about re-entering top level racing here I can't help but think it's more of a publicity stunt to get her subscriptions up than anything else... especially as she brings this up every couple of years.
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Well, that'll do it then. I was curious as to why it was said no team would be willing to sell her a car to race in, since a general lack of skill wouldn't stop most teams from taking a quick boost of income in that manner, but I can understand why they wouldn't want to be seen as supporting that kind of background in even an indirect manner.
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As there's no real GM factory input to the series and as the main builder of the Camaro I don't think Triple 8 would be against selling her a car. They've got form in selling one to Boost Mobile's Peter Adderton while more than likely knowing full well he'd never be allowed into the series for being a (big) bit too out spoken. They're probably also one of the teams that voted to keep him out.
Ford on the other hand have a great deal of input as a manufacturer and I don't think she would fit the family image they've tried to portray here so that would be a hard 'No' I'd think.
Edit: As I touched on before, I think her lack of skill as a driver should be what keeps her out more so than anything else.
Edit 2: This is the statement I recalled when thinking about whether T8 would sell her a car:
Whincup added: “We’re Triple Eight Race Engineering; we sell race cars and componentry to whoever wants them.
“Pete Adderton gave me a call and said he wants a new Camaro, a Gen3 race car.
“So we sold him one… it’s going to be up to Pete as to what he wants to do with it.''
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She would have done good to race Carrera Cup. She was pretty good back then. Again, it's that dream of V8s being at the top. Chelsea Angelo(who was quick in everything she drove, but the unreliable Kelly Racing TCR Astra) and Courtney Prince(Porsches) are on a different path, which, I believe, will afford them greater opportunities.
She should just stick to GTs. A Bathurst 12H drive would probably do a bit more(and probably a quicker route to more exposure) in opening up car doors for seats.
She should just stick to GTs. A Bathurst 12H drive would probably do a bit more(and probably a quicker route to more exposure) in opening up car doors for seats.
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No way I'm paying $1.20 to lick the back of Skaife's head 
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But seriously, it's great to see four absolute legends of the sport being acknowledged like this 👍
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Lowndes, Moffat, Skaife and Johnson stamps announced
Craig Lowndes Craig Lowndes is now featured on a postage stamp that has been unveiled in Perth ahead of this
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But seriously, it's great to see four absolute legends of the sport being acknowledged like this 👍
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Sleep well with that staining your mind palace
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My thoughts on yesterday:
I really liked the 90 minute practice session yesterday. Very entertaining I thought.👍
The LED panels are a great addition, albeit a bit hard to read on some cars.
Completely disagree with JDub that the session needs to be lap limited. 👎 Seems a bit self serving to me.
If teams want to test more then let them, it's their money. The benefits far out way the negatives for many of the teams with new drivers and for those struggling with the new cars, or even struggling for pace at that particular track. The only down side I can see is if you bin you car early then that's it, there's no second chance. Bring it to more events I say... with laps unrestricted.
Interesting that the Fords had a serious engine management 'glitch' at the GP causing straight line handling issues. How does it even happen that if you slightly lift and only apply 98% throttle, you actually only get 75% throttle... and with Supercars being able to electronically and remotely control the throttle? That's not a glitch, not when it happens to every Ford on the grid. That's a serious **** up.
Edited to add Larko's explanation:
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And once again JDub was proved wrong with his equal on parity claims. The data from Newcastle showed that the Ford was down on performance, hence the new map... with more to come apparently.
Just to clarify: Yes, I dislike JDub as team principal (but not as a driver) of T8, more than RD actually.
Hopefully they'll fix everything soon so every team has an equal chance.
Interesting...
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I really liked the 90 minute practice session yesterday. Very entertaining I thought.👍
The LED panels are a great addition, albeit a bit hard to read on some cars.
Completely disagree with JDub that the session needs to be lap limited. 👎 Seems a bit self serving to me.
If teams want to test more then let them, it's their money. The benefits far out way the negatives for many of the teams with new drivers and for those struggling with the new cars, or even struggling for pace at that particular track. The only down side I can see is if you bin you car early then that's it, there's no second chance. Bring it to more events I say... with laps unrestricted.Interesting that the Fords had a serious engine management 'glitch' at the GP causing straight line handling issues. How does it even happen that if you slightly lift and only apply 98% throttle, you actually only get 75% throttle... and with Supercars being able to electronically and remotely control the throttle?
That's not a glitch, not when it happens to every Ford on the grid. That's a serious **** up.Edited to add Larko's explanation:
Hino Hub: Larko on Gen3 parity
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And once again JDub was proved wrong with his equal on parity claims. The data from Newcastle showed that the Ford was down on performance, hence the new map... with more to come apparently.
Just to clarify: Yes, I dislike JDub as team principal (but not as a driver) of T8, more than RD actually.
Hopefully they'll fix everything soon so every team has an equal chance.
Interesting...
Secret proposal that could solve Supercars’ Gen3 parity woes
A Dick Johnson Racing Ford Mustang trails an Erebus Motorsport Chevrolet Camaro. Picture: Ross Gibb Photography A ‘secret’ proposal has
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