2023 Repco Supercars ChampionshipTouring Cars
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This explains the Ford camps woes a bit. The Wannaroo map was the slowest of the three they ran. The two test maps were both better, with the new one being the best.
But they can't run the newest and best one as it's not approved yet. The one they can run still isn't up to it either but my feeling, based on the cars that were up there in qualifying 1 (if Cam was running it I think he would of blitzed the field in qualifying), is that the newest one could possibly be a tad too good. Tyre wear with that map is still an unknown though.
How bad was the first map then? Hopefully this will be sorted by Bathurst because it's all the Fordies have to look forward to now.
But they can't run the newest and best one as it's not approved yet. The one they can run still isn't up to it either but my feeling, based on the cars that were up there in qualifying 1 (if Cam was running it I think he would of blitzed the field in qualifying), is that the newest one could possibly be a tad too good. Tyre wear with that map is still an unknown though.
How bad was the first map then? Hopefully this will be sorted by Bathurst because it's all the Fordies have to look forward to now.
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While I agree the battle between them is good to see. I'm a bit undecided on the parity thing when I actually think through it. The 1 lap pace seems to be there in qualifying and considering that both Waters and Mostert had fastest laps on Sunday. It's just disappointing as a Ford fan to see the best Ford be 5th and 6th every race. They just haven't been challenging for race wins at all.
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Fresh tyres are said to help mask the 'anomaly' with the Ford engine with the drivers being able to accelerate through the issue, but in race conditions it burns the tyres off apparently.
Unfortunately for the Ford engine it's been the one to be detuned and messed with all the time as it's easier to do than with the Chev engine. Supercars will be right royally screwed if any other manufacturer where to come in with a another pushrod V8... unless they can get the Chev teams to use the LT6 engine... the one that in my opinion should've been run in the first place. Paritising two quad cam engines of similar size (5.4 and 5.5) would be a breeze compared to what's going on now. My feeling is that it's been because KRE have very little experience with that type of engine compared to their very vast knowledge of the LS.
Sidenote to the tyre wear is that there's a few in the Ford camp that think the engine isn't the only issue, so I presume they're still under the impression they've got less rear aero.
That's one lap pace again... and probably done with a tow from a Camaro or two.
I had a look at some lap times out of interest and found that Jack Smith was only .09*** of Cam Waters fastest lap in one of the races (
) but finished 18th while having no real issues in the race (and had a faster time than Cams' in another ), so it goes to show how much one lap pace means at an dual dragstrip race track, well any tack really.Race 11 best lap times highlighted:
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This is a backstory I did not know about.
I didn’t know Adderton was part owner of TOCA Australia. Now, things are making sense as to why there’s bad blood between him and Supercars and possibly Supercars not wanting to join with ARG/TCR Australia.
I didn’t know Adderton was part owner of TOCA Australia. Now, things are making sense as to why there’s bad blood between him and Supercars and possibly Supercars not wanting to join with ARG/TCR Australia.
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Hey, at least Tickford have put some effort in this year.
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Courtney‘s car looks fantastic, credit to Snowy River for letting them go away from their standard colours and branding for the event. I find indigenous designs here and in the AFL, NRL etc, look best with natural and earthy colours.
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Thought they fixed the fire issues with the Mustangs…
Hopefully Winterbottom will be able to hold off the Red Bulls
Hopefully Winterbottom will be able to hold off the Red Bulls
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Congratulations to Frosty and Charlie, a well deserved win 👍
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''Supercars conducted a check of all Ford engines following the race and is understood to have found several with loose connectors, particularly those with higher milage.''
Scary stuff indeed, but at least it's not the same issue... although I still believe the catch can should be fitted closer to the rear of the car like in the TA2's.
Source:
au.motorsport.com
Edit: Great to see Cam Waters car ready to go... and that haircut
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''Supercars conducted a check of all Ford engines following the race and is understood to have found several with loose connectors, particularly those with higher milage.''
Scary stuff indeed, but at least it's not the same issue... although I still believe the catch can should be fitted closer to the rear of the car like in the TA2's.
Source:
Fuel leak blamed for Waters Supercars fire
au.motorsport.com
Edit: Great to see Cam Waters car ready to go... and that haircut
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These two races today will be interesting to say the least. Mixed up grids. It’s gonna be on. Expect more chaos than yesterday.
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This not good news for the series.
Now, official communication from within the Blue Oval has further stoked the parity debate, with an assertion that the Supercars parity trigger has been hit several times.
It quoted Tickford Racing Team Principal Tim Edwards declaring, “There is something wrong.
“The parity keeps getting triggered constantly.
“It’s six or seven races now where we’ve hit the trigger.”
The ‘trigger’ to which Edwards refers is a condition stipulated within the Teams Racing Charter, which outlines the rights and responsibilities of being an entrant in the Repco Supercars Championship.
Although details are a closely guarded secret, it is a formula based on session results and has existed as a concept within the championship for at least two decades.
If the results are too lopsided, then the parity trigger has been hit and Supercars is obliged to make certain undertakings.
www.speedcafe.com
I don't know if the 'trigger' is still the same but if I recall correctly it used to be 0.2 seconds per (race???) lap difference between the fastest of each brand, but over a sample size going down through the field of a number of cars (but I'm not sure of the sample size. This part has, as far as I know, always been undisclosed).
Supercars really need to be open with the data at this point or I feel the series in serious jeopardy, with at least a couple of bad options occurring that I can see. One is legal action over not properly investigating parity after these trigger points have been hit on so many occasions, and the second is Ford pulling all sponsorship of the series, which is something that I don't think anyone wants, GM fans included.
... Or has Supercars got something to hide?
Edit: One thing is for sure, Supercars had better take a good long look at themselves. They've been warned by Mark Rushbrook, and now the Ford teams and Ford Australia are buying in as well.
Now, official communication from within the Blue Oval has further stoked the parity debate, with an assertion that the Supercars parity trigger has been hit several times.
It quoted Tickford Racing Team Principal Tim Edwards declaring, “There is something wrong.
“The parity keeps getting triggered constantly.
“It’s six or seven races now where we’ve hit the trigger.”
The ‘trigger’ to which Edwards refers is a condition stipulated within the Teams Racing Charter, which outlines the rights and responsibilities of being an entrant in the Repco Supercars Championship.
Although details are a closely guarded secret, it is a formula based on session results and has existed as a concept within the championship for at least two decades.
If the results are too lopsided, then the parity trigger has been hit and Supercars is obliged to make certain undertakings.
Claim from Ford camp that Supercars parity trigger has been hit
It has been claimed via official Ford Australia PR that the Supercars parity trigger has ben hit. Picture: InSyde Media
www.speedcafe.com
I don't know if the 'trigger' is still the same but if I recall correctly it used to be 0.2 seconds per (race???) lap difference between the fastest of each brand, but over a sample size going down through the field of a number of cars (but I'm not sure of the sample size. This part has, as far as I know, always been undisclosed).
Supercars really need to be open with the data at this point or I feel the series in serious jeopardy, with at least a couple of bad options occurring that I can see. One is legal action over not properly investigating parity after these trigger points have been hit on so many occasions, and the second is Ford pulling all sponsorship of the series, which is something that I don't think anyone wants, GM fans included.
... Or has Supercars got something to hide?
Edit: One thing is for sure, Supercars had better take a good long look at themselves. They've been warned by Mark Rushbrook, and now the Ford teams and Ford Australia are buying in as well.
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I definitely don't want this. The worst outcome is Supercars pulls a DTM and hits the GT3 button and this becomes a generic GT3 series at which point there is little reason to keep invested in it as GT3 racing is done to death and I already have other GT3 racing if I wanted good ones. I think turning the series into a one make race would a better outcome than making it GT3.This not good news for the series.
Now, official communication from within the Blue Oval has further stoked the parity debate, with an assertion that the Supercars parity trigger has been hit several times.
It quoted Tickford Racing Team Principal Tim Edwards declaring, “There is something wrong.
“The parity keeps getting triggered constantly.
“It’s six or seven races now where we’ve hit the trigger.”
The ‘trigger’ to which Edwards refers is a condition stipulated within the Teams Racing Charter, which outlines the rights and responsibilities of being an entrant in the Repco Supercars Championship.
Although details are a closely guarded secret, it is a formula based on session results and has existed as a concept within the championship for at least two decades.
If the results are too lopsided, then the parity trigger has been hit and Supercars is obliged to make certain undertakings.
Claim from Ford camp that Supercars parity trigger has been hit
It has been claimed via official Ford Australia PR that the Supercars parity trigger has ben hit. Picture: InSyde Media
I don't know if the 'trigger' is still the same but if I recall correctly it used to be 0.2 seconds per (race???) lap difference between the fastest of each brand, but over a sample size going down through the field of a number of cars (but I'm not sure of the sample size. This part has, as far as I know, always been undisclosed).
Supercars really need to be open with the data at this point or I feel the series in serious jeopardy, with at least a couple of bad options occurring that I can see. One is legal action over not properly investigating parity after these trigger points have been hit on so many occasions, and the second is Ford pulling all sponsorship of the series, which is something that I don't think anyone wants, GM fans included.
... Or has Supercars got something to hide?
Edit: One thing is for sure, Supercars had better take a good long look at themselves. They've been warned by Mark Rushbrook, and now the Ford teams and Ford Australia are buying in as well.
I really hope this whole "parity" thing is sorted. I'm getting so sick and tired of this coming up ever since the Commodore ZB was introduced and then amplified with the Mustang and now here. I just want good racing with cars you can't find anywhere else. Make it a Silhouette Touring Car series if they have to where they all have to run the same chassis and engine supplier.
