2024 NASCAR Discussion ThreadNASCAR

[Blitz24]

Don't look now, but the #51, which should have had its charter repossessed after the end of last year, is actually in the top 30 in owners' points and 49 points (give or take staqe points, better than a race) ahead of the #21 for 34th. In fact, it's ahead of both the Kaulig entries (by the tiebreaker ahead of the #31, and also ahead of the #3.

Of course, the #15 is 35th in points.

16's entry doesn't even count in my eyes. Unless they are running on a road course there is little chance the car will be competing for a win.

 

[Blitz24]

Looks like Haas will remain in Cup with one team, Stewart is cashing out.

https://www.jayski.com/2024/06/20/g...finity-teams-and-will-retain-one-cup-charter/

 

[EngieDiesel]

Looks like Haas will remain in Cup with one team, Stewart is cashing out.

https://www.jayski.com/2024/06/20/g...finity-teams-and-will-retain-one-cup-charter/

“Operating a four-car Cup Series team has become too arduous but, at the same time, I still need a platform to promote Haas Automation and grow HaasTooling.com.

“Maintaining my presence in Cup allows Haas Automation to compete at NASCAR’s highest level, which is important to our customers and distributors. The Xfinity Series program provides a full weekend experience for our guests, and it delivers added depth and scale to our overall operation.”

Translation: My Formula 1 team is worthless for advertising because it's been a punchline in motorsports for years, and most of my customers are blue-collar shop owners who don't really care about F1 anyways.

That said, I can understand not wanting to walk away from Xfinity considering Cole has been having a pretty strong run this year, and only having one self-sponsored car in Cup is going to be a big relief on both financials and performance expectations. And if the other three charters end up floating towards the back of the field, then having a solid midfield entry isn't that bad of a position to be in anyways.

 

[Eggstor]

Your infrequent dose of Bob Pockrass:

• Qualifying just got more complicated in Cup - the inside/outside split between the two practice groups now extends to the final round, with the 4 slowest in the final round from group A getting the inside rows 2-5 (fast to slow), the 4 slowest in the final round from group B getting the outside rows 2-5, the fastest overall getting pole and lane choice, and the fastest from the other group getting the other front row spot.
• There was no qualifying (and barely a minute of practice) in Xfinity due to weather. The go-home car is the #74 of Jade Buford. They were supposed to practice in 2 groups based on qualifying order for 15 minutes (each group) to eliminate teams going out early in qualifying cutting short practice.
• There is a new darkness procedure for this year based on what time it is rather than a subjective lap number. Once the race hits that point on the clock, the next time the leader crosses the finish line, it will be 2 to go, and there is no overtime. That got brought up only now because New Hampshire was the first of 2 races impacted by darkness last year.
• The reason why Gene Haas is keeping a Cup team (which he will self-sponsor) is there are only 3 teams serious about buying a charter. He's keeping the Xfinity operation going because it has been building cars for other teams.
• Related to that, Front Row is not moving onto the Haas campus.

 

[Blitz24]

Your infrequent dose of Bob Pockrass:

• Qualifying just got more complicated in Cup - the inside/outside split between the two practice groups now extends to the final round, with the 4 slowest in the final round from group A getting the inside rows 2-5 (fast to slow), the 4 slowest in the final round from group B getting the outside rows 2-5, the fastest overall getting pole and lane choice, and the fastest from the other group getting the other front row spot.
• There was no qualifying (and barely a minute of practice) in Xfinity due to weather. The go-home car is the #74 of Jade Buford. They were supposed to practice in 2 groups based on qualifying order for 15 minutes (each group) to eliminate teams going out early in qualifying cutting short practice.
• There is a new darkness procedure for this year based on what time it is rather than a subjective lap number. Once the race hits that point on the clock, the next time the leader crosses the finish line, it will be 2 to go, and there is no overtime. That got brought up only now because New Hampshire was the first of 2 races impacted by darkness last year.
• The reason why Gene Haas is keeping a Cup team (which he will self-sponsor) is there are only 3 teams serious about buying a charter. He's keeping the Xfinity operation going because it has been building cars for other teams.
• Related to that, Front Row is not moving onto the Haas campus.

Since it is probable that Briscoe is heading to Gibbs, that would leave Preece, Gragson and Berry as the 3 options. I think Gragson is the only one with a multi year contract?

 

[RACECAR]

Since it is probable that Briscoe is heading to Gibbs, that would leave Preece, Gragson and Berry as the 3 options. I think Gragson is the only one with a multi year contract?

If you're reffering to Haas, problem with ONE of those options is that Joe Custer will be in charge of the operation. Feel free to guess who might be in one of those seats by default.

 

[CTznOfTime]

 

[Eggstor]

For the first time in years, we're set to have a full field at a Cup race other than the Daytona 500, as 4 part-time teams join the party, and only one of them is a true field-filler:

• AJ Allmendinger in a 3rd Kaulig ride (the #13, and not a field-filler only because Allmendinger tends to be almost as good at road courses as Shane van Gisbergen, who is running the #16)
• Austin Hill in a 3rd RCR ride (#33, though RCR at this point could be considered a field-filler level team)
• Joey Hand in a 3rd RFK ride (#60, a field-filler driver, at least based on his prior Cup results at Rick Ware Racing and his absence from full-time racing at a high level between 2021 and 2023, in decent equipment)
• Josh Bilicki in the Power Source #66 (a true field-filler in a field-filler ride)

 

[Blitz24]

A shame we aren't seeing a 3rd 23XI entry this weekend.

 

[Eggstor]

A shame we aren't seeing a 3rd 23XI entry this weekend.

I would have taken that over a #66 entry, but I can't even remember the last time there was a Cup team that went home early outside of the Daytona 500.

Meanwhile, Sports Business Journal is saying that Josh Berry's landing spot is Wood Brothers, to be made official at 11 am (presumably EDT) tomorrow.

Late Tuesday edit - I don't recall an instance where a driver was penalized points for something but the team he was driving for wasn't, but Carson Hocevar, and not the #77 team, got docked 25 points (with Hocevar also becoming $50,000 poorer) for his spin-out of Harrison Burton under yellow.

 

[Suzuki-Cara]

I can't wait for the X-over era.

 

[NotThePrez]

I can't wait for the X-over era.


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Honestly, if you take away the wing and make the rear aero more streamlined and end with the traditional lip spoiler, I think it could kinda-sorta work.

 

[Veinz]

SVG was an absolute machine in this race. His battle with Larson was top notch, hard but respectful racing. He also starts 5th in the Cup race today.

 

[Blitz24]

SVG was an absolute machine in this race. His battle with Larson was top notch, hard but respectful racing. He also starts 5th in the Cup race today.

I taped yesterday's race in the hope of seeing Day (who DNQ'ed after running into Allgaier) and was still satisfied. One side note: I don't think Sheldon Creed is a very good driver.

 

[Dylan]

Looks like we’re gonna have a damp start for the Chicago street race.

 

[toastet]

And people complain about F1 and their rain antics 🙃

 

[Veinz]

The pit exit was painful to watch lol

 

[toastet]

Oh no SVG out touched by Briscoe.

 

[Dylan]

Don’t get me wrong, I think racing in Chicago is cool as heck. But it isn’t raining in Elkhart Lake.

 

[Blitz24]

Gutted for SVG but Wendy's at Chicago is cursed. Apparently if you have a car sponsored by them you will crash at turn 6.

 

[Eggstor]

Don’t get me wrong, I think racing in Chicago is cool as heck. But it isn’t raining in Elkhart Lake.

And, unlike Chicago, they can delay the race a day or 5, as chances of rain exist through Thursday.

They're going to call the race at 8:15 8:20 whether they're running or not.

7 pm update - the drivers are back in their cars, and they should be racing soon. As a reminder, once they hit 8:20 pm (Central), the next time the leader crosses the finish line is the 2-to-go mark, and there is no further overtime.

 

[Blitz24]

And, unlike Chicago, they can delay the race a day or 5, as chances of rain exist through Thursday.

They're going to call the race at 8:15 8:20 whether they're running or not.

7 pm update - the drivers are back in their cars, and they should be racing soon. As a reminder, once they hit 8:20 pm (Central), the next time the leader crosses the finish line is the 2-to-go mark, and there is no further overtime.

I think they start the races here a bit too late. If they started 2 hours beforehand, they might have been better off. Or it would have rained 2 hours earlier.

 

[Eggstor]

The dangers of racing in the rain - Kyle Larson locked up the brakes going into turn 6, hydroplaned through the tire barrier into the concrete.

3 more laps until halfway.

 

[Dylan]

We have about 40 minutes before they hit there time limit. They definitely need to start this race earlier.

 

[Blitz24]

Both stage winners are non full-time drivers.

 

[Dylan]

Joey Hand leading is cool.

 

[Dylan]

Bowman gets by Hand and the yellow is out with under 10 minutes on the clock!

 

[Eggstor]

2 to go. As long as Bowman isn't the caution, he'll win.

 

[Dylan]

Alex Bowman wins in Chicago!

 

[Blitz24]

So will NASCAR finally learn their lesson and start this race 1 to 2 hours earlier?