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[FPV MIC]

Yay for Mostert, finally. Sucks Wood couldn't hold on for 3rd but his time will come.

Wood is definitely quick... and the only one to be quick in the 2nd WAU car in ages. Could it be due to the engineering change? Maybe they have a more traditional approach now The Big Ginge isn't there, so it's easier for Wood to adapt to than what others have had.

 

[LumpiestFish]

Super impressed by Wood to be this close to front after a few rounds. Just a couple of years ago WAU were shocking at Wanneroo, always at the back.

Stanaways accident could’ve been much larger if he hit the old pit entry which he almost did, got very lucky.

 

[Com Fox]

My cynical side thinks he's trying to create the false pretence of GM being involved to suck some of the more gullible, and the casual ex-Holden supporters in to supporting them because he never mentions a Ford factory team.

Despite being a GM supporter if Ford is the only one willing to pull weight, they might as well make it a Ford Mustang one make series and expand on that further with a deal of some kind to make more for the other teams, get the bleeding done faster instead of slowly like it has been with "parity"

 

[FPV MIC]

Despite being a GM supporter if Ford is the only one willing to pull weight, they might as well make it a Ford Mustang one make series and expand on that further with a deal of some kind to make more for the other teams, get the bleeding done faster instead of slowly like it has been with "parity"

I've kind of gone off the whole manufacturer supporter thing since the introduction of the ZedBee and Mutantstang. I still have a bit of a soft spot for Ford but it's nothing like what it used to be, and I like drivers and teams from both sides of the brand divide now (and having an FPV and an HSV in my garage doesn't hurt either ).

I don't think Ford wants to pitch in any more than they already do. Pretty sure MSR wanted to convert to running Mustangs but they were told by Ford that they didn't want any more teams. Something along the lines of ''Quality over quantity'', which I thought was a bit uncalled for. A polite 'thanks for your enquiry, but we're not willing to fund any more teams at this time' would've sufficed.

Perhaps getting rid of all manufacturers and running a full on silhouette series would be best, but I think the cars would have to be much cheaper, like they were supposed to be, for that to happen.

 

[05XR8]

If SC wanted to hold on their IP crutch I’m sure there are designers and engineers here who could conjure up a good purpose built car for all teams.

 

[FPV MIC]

If SC wanted to hold on their IP crutch I’m sure there are designers and engineers here who could conjure up a good purpose built car for all teams.

For sure, and independent too! You only have to look as far as MARC to know that (but I know you already know that ).

 

[05XR8]

For sure, and independent too! You only have to look as far as MARC to know that (but I know you already know that ).

I wasn’t going to mention MARC. Just trying to wear an unbiased cap and give others a chance, this time.

 

[Spacegoat]

Why is there a practice session on a third day of a race weekend and after there's already been one race?

 

[LumpiestFish]

Why is there a practice session on a third day of a race weekend and after there's already been one race?

Not sure but I don’t mind it, feels like a classic Sunday morning warm up session.

The total qualifying session feels longer than what the races are this weekend. No idea why they decided to go with 2 short races when there’s hardly any rounds in the first place. Even more annoying is that they’re such an awkward length, not short enough to be a proper sprint race a la the Grand Prix races, and not long enough to be 2 stop strategy races.

 

[Com Fox]

I miss the much earlier formats from the 2000s where it was one Qualifying Session and the races were back to back with positions based on the previous race which made it feel like 1 complete round divided into Legs.

I get why they dont do it anymore because they want Saturday and Sunday to have the "full experience" instead of investing in the whole weekend but the Sunday event and especially the last race felt more special

 

[Spacegoat]

Thought the general rule was if you make contact with someone and it makes them go off the road, its an automatic 15 second penalty? Guess because Randle didn't lose any places (immediately at least), they didn't judge it to be as severe? Just not sold on Brown getting the same time penalty as Mostert did. lol

 

[FPV MIC]

Thought the general rule was if you make contact with someone and it makes them go off the road, its an automatic 15 second penalty? Guess because Randle didn't lose any places (immediately at least), they didn't judge it to be as severe? Just not sold on Brown getting the same time penalty as Mostert did. lol

I thought Will Davison passed him before he got back up to speed. It should've been 10 seconds IMHO, 15 seconds might've been too harsh. 5 is for a bump and run, 15 is for spinning someone, and this was in between the two so 10 feels right to me.

I looked at the gap at the time and it was over 5 seconds from Brown to WD and told my wife "It'll be a 5 second penalty so he doesn't lose a place". I hate being right sometimes.
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Interesting that JW said there's a no contact rule in pit lane this year, which is slightly different to previous years where light contact was ok. Hopefully they'll be consistent with this one because they've shown in the past that this rule can change mid season... and it just happened to be a T8 car making the light contact that changed the rule back then... and this was after others had already been pinned for light contact under the no contact rule.

Also noticed Race Control managed to pin a car for driving into the side of another car when they exited their pit box. I wonder why it was too hard last time.

Consistently inconsistent... as always.

Races were too short... or there should've been two on Sunday. Not enough racing IMHO.

Edited to add: Randle was just able to cut in front of ADP, so he definitely lost a spot from the contact with WB.

 

[ScottPuss20]

Races were too short... or there should've been two on Sunday. Not enough racing IMHO.

No, 2 55 lap races was not enough for this round. What the hell. I thought "sprint" rounds had 2 races on Sunday.

 

[Twisteddrift]

No, 2 55 lap races was not enough for this round. What the hell. I thought "sprint" rounds had 2 races on Sunday.

I reckon the best format was in 2015.
Sat: 2x60km sprint races - no pitstops
Sun: 1x200km race - 2 pitstops

That’s what they should go back to.

 

[Spacegoat]

Edited to add: Randle was just able to cut in front of ADP, so he definitely lost a spot from the contact with WB.

Ah, okay. Admittedly I only saw the replay of the incident after Brown got the penalty for it (Started channel surfing a bit after Mostert got his penalty because I had a feeling on how the race was going to turn out. lol). Thought there was a larger gap to the DJR cars behind Randle and Brown. 10 seconds would have been more fair.

Consistently inconsistent... as always.

Is this not the series' motto, already?

 

[Twisteddrift]

Ryan under microscope over post-race exchange

SUPERCARS management is set to meet with Erebus Motorsport CEO Barry Ryan following a reported exchange on the Sunday night of the Perth SuperSprint.Experienced journalist and former Motorsport N

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Not helping themselves.

 

[Spacegoat]

Not helping themselves.

Sooner Barry Ryan leaves the sport, the better. There should be no places for bullies like him.

 

[FPV MIC]

Wonder why van Leeuwen hasn't written about it on Speedcafe yet? He was pretty quick to break the media silence on the whole Kosteki/Ryan/Erebus incident, even when asked not to, but not so much when the story is about him.

I know it's his job, and that Barry Ryan can be a knob, but he probably had a serve coming to him for all the 💩 he started. He was definitely a major cog in the whole ''it could've been handled better'' wheel IMHO.

 

[Twisteddrift]

Wonder why van Leeuwen hasn't written about it on Speedcafe yet? He was pretty quick to break the media silence on the whole Kosteki/Ryan/Erebus incident, even when asked not to, but not so much when the story is about him.

I know it's his job, and that Barry Ryan can be a knob, but he probably had a serve coming to him for all the 💩 he started. He was definitely a major cog in the whole ''it could've been handled better'' wheel IMHO.

Good point actually. Speedcafe seems less and less credible and more clickbait, which they have been called out on a lot of the last 12 months or so. So it wouldn’t surprise for sure that hes written something he shouldn’t.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

Found myself up against Brodie Kostecki and Richi Stanaway in a Global MX-5 race in iRacing. Richie was running a very bold loooking Fortnite livery, maybe one day we’ll see it transfer over to his Mustang Supercar. 😆

 

[FPV MIC]

My vote for best Indigenous Round livery goes to the WAU/Ryan Wood car designed by Rhonda Sampson, closely followed by Chaz's car and the two DJR cars.

 

[Spacegoat]

Fords on the first four spots of the grid. Hopefully none of them watched the Super 2/3 race...

 

[Twisteddrift]

That was the best race this year. Well done, Cam. Great drive from Brown as well.

 

[FPV MIC]

What do you guys think about this Aaron Noonan idea?

The change that would revolutionise Supercars

TAKE a look around the Australian sporting landscape of the top competitions in each code. What do the AFL, NRL, A-League, NBL, Super Netball, Super Rugby

www.v8sleuth.com.au

My first thought was 'If parity hadn't been so much of an issue over the last 10 years or so I don't think there'd be a need for this type of system', and as I started reading it I thought 'no friggin way, not this NASCAR style BS again', but as I got further into the story I ended up warming to the idea.

I've never liked stages in NASCAR but I have changed my mind over time about 'The Chase', and a guaranteed down to the wire at Adelaide championship + the free pass for the top four to have a red hot crack Bathurst, along with his other ideas could work IMHO.

Edit: I think a few more events leading up to the top ten cut off point would be needed too.

At the very least it would be worth Supercars looking into it.

 

[Twisteddrift]

What do you guys think about this Aaron Noonan idea?

The change that would revolutionise Supercars

TAKE a look around the Australian sporting landscape of the top competitions in each code. What do the AFL, NRL, A-League, NBL, Super Netball, Super Rugby

www.v8sleuth.com.au

My first thought was 'If parity hadn't been so much of an issue over the last 10 years or so I don't think there'd be a need for this type of system', and as I started reading it I thought 'no friggin way, not this NASCAR style BS again', but as I got further into the story I ended up warming to the idea.

I've never liked stages in NASCAR but I have changed my mind over time about 'The Chase', and a guaranteed down to the wire at Adelaide championship + the free pass for the top four to have a red hot crack Bathurst, along with his other ideas could work IMHO.

Edit: I think a few more events leading up to the top ten cut off point would be needed too.

At the very least it would be worth Supercars looking into it.

Yeah, there are some parts of the playoffs i like and some i don't. My biggest issue is the last race. Its whoever has got the best on the day or the weekend.

Which for me isn't how a champion should be crowned.

I think we should change the points system. Maybe the gap between the positions should be narrower. Either remove the bonus points for fastest laps or have it for all the races.

 

[Com Fox]

The Chase as knock off system is fundamentally flawed. NASCAR Playoffs has shown to be a bad idea by how much workaround after things just don't work, so it actually makes sense but now the series is just convoluted and hard to follow with Stages and Stage Points. Final race can be exciting yes but its all controlled and a lot of any interesting story in the previous races is redundant for an overglorified game of Mario Party.

Chase System feels like it was only implemented because NASCAR for some reason never wanted to change the points system to benefit the winners more and just make a manufacturered Hard reset, its an overcomplicated solution that had a simple one to begin with

Another thing when comparing it to other Sports and why Supercars is different to stuff like AFL and NRL. Those sports are 1v1s, Motorsports is a Battle Royal where everyone is against each other (except Teammates) and your outcome can and will affected by other players actions that arent even about you. (Look back at how Crashgate was made to make Alonso win the race and it out of Massas control, cost him the win). This is especially true when Endurance Racing gets involved with the codriver with the Endurace Races occuring at the end

 

[FPV MIC]

Some good points @Com Fox and @Twisteddrift .

I always wanted a points system closer to MotoGP for Supercars but they always wanted an everyone scores points scenario like NASCAR for some reason. I always said ''just multiply the MotoGP points system x2 so it will pay all the way down to 30th then, problem solved''. How it is now is just a silly way to try and make things look close... and fastest lap points shouldn't even be a thing.

The Chase System was implemented because Matt Kenseth drove for points rather than for wins and won the championship without winning a race from what I remember, and while it's certainly convoluted now, they didn't have to go down the stage/stage points path. To my knowledge it was brought in to artificially spice up every race, not the championship in general... and so they could stop with the Dale Jr caution flag benefit BS (every single time he was about to go a lap down, or had just gone a lap down, a piece of tissue paper anywhere in the vicinity of the race track was enough to bring out caution flag) and every other piss poor reason they came up with to throw a caution out.

I don't see any need for Stage Points with Noon's idea though... and if parity had been better all along I don't think this would even be getting any air.

I would also dread the famous Dutto line of ''have 'em or have 'em off'' scenario being possible though... but I think his code would be a lot more subtle

 

[ScottPuss20]

What do you guys think about this Aaron Noonan idea?

The change that would revolutionise Supercars

TAKE a look around the Australian sporting landscape of the top competitions in each code. What do the AFL, NRL, A-League, NBL, Super Netball, Super Rugby

www.v8sleuth.com.au

My first thought was 'If parity hadn't been so much of an issue over the last 10 years or so I don't think there'd be a need for this type of system', and as I started reading it I thought 'no friggin way, not this NASCAR style BS again', but as I got further into the story I ended up warming to the idea.

I've never liked stages in NASCAR but I have changed my mind over time about 'The Chase', and a guaranteed down to the wire at Adelaide championship + the free pass for the top four to have a red hot crack Bathurst, along with his other ideas could work IMHO.

Edit: I think a few more events leading up to the top ten cut off point would be needed too.

At the very least it would be worth Supercars looking into it.

I'm on board with this. I want more excitement and more storylines because Supercars' popularity has waned significantly in recent years. It would definitely boost viewership numbers and attendance.

 

[Twisteddrift]

Some good points @Com Fox and @Twisteddrift .

I always wanted a points system closer to MotoGP for Supercars but they always wanted an everyone scores points scenario like NASCAR for some reason. I always said ''just multiply the MotoGP points system x2 so it will pay all the way down to 30th then, problem solved''. How it is now is just a silly way to try and make things look close... and fastest lap points shouldn't even be a thing.

The Chase System was implemented because Matt Kenseth drove for points rather than for wins and won the championship without winning a race from what I remember, and while it's certainly convoluted now, they didn't have to go down the stage/stage points path. To my knowledge it was brought in to artificially spice up every race, not the championship in general... and so they could stop with the Dale Jr caution flag benefit BS (every single time he was about to go a lap down, or had just gone a lap down, a piece of tissue paper anywhere in the vicinity of the race track was enough to bring out caution flag) and every other piss poor reason they came up with to throw a caution out.

I don't see any need for Stage Points with Noon's idea though... and if parity had been better all along I don't think this would even be getting any air.

I would also dread the famous Dutto line of ''have 'em or have 'em off'' scenario being possible though... but I think his code would be a lot more subtle

I reckon its two things that are easy to fix that don't involve tweaking the actual cars.

Change how drivers are allowed to race. A bit like how the BTCC is. It allows the drivers to be more "forceful" if you will without significant penalties to scare them away from making moves.

And of course, the previously discussed refinement of the points system.

 

[Com Fox]

Some good points @Com Fox and @Twisteddrift .

I always wanted a points system closer to MotoGP for Supercars but they always wanted an everyone scores points scenario like NASCAR for some reason. I always said ''just multiply the MotoGP points system x2 so it will pay all the way down to 30th then, problem solved''. How it is now is just a silly way to try and make things look close... and fastest lap points shouldn't even be a thing.

The Chase System was implemented because Matt Kenseth drove for points rather than for wins and won the championship without winning a race from what I remember, and while it's certainly convoluted now, they didn't have to go down the stage/stage points path. To my knowledge it was brought in to artificially spice up every race, not the championship in general... and so they could stop with the Dale Jr caution flag benefit BS (every single time he was about to go a lap down, or had just gone a lap down, a piece of tissue paper anywhere in the vicinity of the race track was enough to bring out caution flag) and every other piss poor reason they came up with to throw a caution out.

I don't see any need for Stage Points with Noon's idea though... and if parity had been better all along I don't think this would even be getting any air.

I would also dread the famous Dutto line of ''have 'em or have 'em off'' scenario being possible though... but I think his code would be a lot more subtle

Yeah, points for everyone finishing only works for the 500 and Bathurst as finishing an Endurance needs to have some worth, everything else, I think points need to encourage drivers to be aggresive for high places. This what NASCAR shouldve done but decided to overcomplicate the problem.

I'm on board with this. I want more excitement and more storylines because Supercars' popularity has waned significantly in recent years. It would definitely boost viewership numbers and attendance.

I dont know how you would get "more storylines" when itll be the same Mario Party Chance Time final race everytime where the contenders could lose because of sheer luck from 2 non contenders getting caught in an incident.