2024 US Presidential Election Thread

[Famine]

the candidates on the ballot not palatable choices

I mean... it's not like they're equally bad choices though. One spent four years in the job already, showing a complete lack of respect for the fundamental limitations on government, enriching themselves and manipulating the judicial branch to give him a seemingly endless supply of GOJF cards, and has openly stated that they're going to do more of that but bigger next time. The other one hasn't said enough bad things about Israel being bastards.

Never mind all the other stuff, it's properly baffling that 45% of Americans - who'll scream blue murder about the first and second amendments at the slightest provocation (as evidenced by the number of them that don't take to having their posts moderated well and go straight to crying about 1A) - actively want a guy who is not only straight-up ignorant about the whole Constitution/BoR thing but doesn't give a **** about it and would wipe his arse with them if they were to hand and he could reach his arse to wipe it and wasn't in nappies anyway.

 

[Blitz24]

I mean... it's not like they're equally bad choices though. One spent four years in the job already, showing a complete lack of respect for the fundamental limitations on government, enriching themselves and manipulating the judicial branch to give him a seemingly endless supply of GOJF cards, and has openly stated that they're going to do more of that but bigger next time. The other one hasn't said enough bad things about Israel being bastards.

Never mind all the other stuff, it's properly baffling that 45% of Americans - who'll scream blue murder about the first and second amendments at the slightest provocation (as evidenced by the number of them that don't take to having their posts moderated well and go straight to crying about 1A) - actively want a guy who is not only straight-up ignorant about the whole Constitution/BoR thing but doesn't give a **** about it and would wipe his arse with them if they were to hand and he could reach his arse to wipe it and wasn't in nappies anyway.

That's the entire reason. People are stupid and want someone "strong/brash" as their leader. They will happily ignore the fact that he is criminal because he "resonates" with them.

 

[Famine]

They will happily ignore the fact that he is criminal because he "resonates" with them.

They seem to be happily ignoring the fact that their country is founded on the Constitution - the Constitution they love and will shout about how great it is even in entirely inapplicable situations - and the guy they want in charge knows nothing about it and won't so much ignore it as not be aware of it at all.

It just blows the mind that 45% of people who show up will say yes to this. And then there's 10% who just don't know if they want that or the other thing. It just... shouldn't be close. It's like voting for lava man, whose promise is that he'll turn the country into lava but he'll start out with the gays and Jews and Muslims and trans and women who need a termination in order not to die but has still overtly said he'll turn the whole place into lava, because the other person has a name they can't pronounce properly, hasn't been quite vocal enough about Netanyahu, and their predecessor's predecessor's predecessor might have met that paedophile guy who actually called lava man his best friend.


As someone said on Twitter, there's some big Helm's Deep-eve energy right now. The USA dies today if those 10% are ****witted enough to tick the lava box.

 

[Kriptical]

One-third of people won't vote. Of those that do, 5/11ths are going to vote for the apocalypse and 5/11ths are going to vote for not the apocalypse. The remaining 11th are those that haven't yet decided if they should vote for apocalypse or not and will decide whether there's an apocalypse.

Why the **** is it this close?

Welp..im going with…

Most of my generation didn’t realize Alex P. Keaton was satire.

Bush/cheney. Omg 911 freedumb.

Then oxy is a hell of a drug

Also, my generation thinks sociopaths make the best ceo’s/leaders. Which kinda stems from the whole Family Ties thing..

Obviously this is a weak attempt at humor…sorta…maybe not really… 🤷‍♂️

 

[Blitz24]

Fun fact, RFK was still on the ballot in my state.

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

Fun fact, RFK was still on the ballot in my state.

Also in Illinois. He'll also be on the ballot in Michigan and Wisconsin.

 

[Blitz24]

That's probably going to siphon votes away from Trump.

 

[Duke]

Vermin Supreme is on the ballot in my state, as the official candidate of the Conservative Party.

My state will throw its paltry few electoral votes to the blue side no matter how I vote, so I'm strongly considering voting for him.

But I want the popular vote to be as clearly against Trump as possible, so I will most likely vote for Harris.

 

[Fezzik]

Just get a divorce America. Both sides will be happier in the end.

 

[dylansan]

Dixville Notch goes 50/50 for Trump and Harris. What's baffling is that all six residents voted in the Republican primary this year (for Haley), and yet it went 5-0 for Biden in 2020. Who are these people?

 

[Sprite]

Dixville Notch goes 50/50 for Trump and Harris. What's baffling is that all six residents voted in the Republican primary this year (for Haley), and yet it went 5-0 for Biden in 2020. Who are these people?

Confused souls.

 

[Joey D]

Well it was a cluster, but I got my voting sorted out. Apparently, my local precinct had my voter's information, I just didn't have the card. I'm glad I took the deed to my house along with the loan documents because, as I expected, they were put out by the whole thing. But I proved that I lived where I said I lived and was able to vote. I think this is also the first election I've voted in where I voted for zero Republicans too. They're all election deniers who hate the country so I voted for whoever the other choice was in every race. Even the drain commissioner, who was a Republican, I voted against even though I don't know anything about the drain commissioners, but I just assumed he was an asshole.

They seem to be happily ignoring the fact that their country is founded on the Constitution - the Constitution they love and will shout about how great it is even in entirely inapplicable situations - and the guy they want in charge knows nothing about it and won't so much ignore it as not be aware of it at all.

I would wager most Americans have never read the Constitution and barely passed 7th-grade civics. Of those who have read it, I'm guessing less than half even understand it. It's not just a conservative thing either, liberals are just as guilty for not knowing the Constitution, but the outcomes are vastly different. Liberals who don't understand the Constitution just want to violate rights. Conservatives who don't understand the Constitution want to dismantle the country.

Vermin Supreme is on the ballot in my state, as the official candidate of the Conservative Party.

I mean, he wants to give every American a free pony. I've heard worse ideas.

 

[Blitz24]

I mean, he wants to give every American a free pony. I've heard worse ideas.

Change it to free ponycar and I'm in.

 

[MatskiMonk]

Which wins out, a US service man's pledge to defend the constitution, or to follow orders from the president?

Just wondering.

 

[Touring Mars]

I usually watch the US election results coming in until the wee hours, but I don't think it is worth the bother this year, mainly because the result will likely not be known for quite some time, esp. if key swing states are as close as predicted.

That said, I hope some key states are less close (and in Harris's favour) than the Trump campaign are anticipating. Sadly, however, even faced with a clear defeat, Trump neither has the good grace or the mental capacity to accept the result.

Indeed, the entire Trump camp are very much in Jan 6th mode and have already decided who won this election before a single vote was even cast.

 

[Danoff]

Vermin Supreme is on the ballot in my state, as the official candidate of the Conservative Party.

My state will throw its paltry few electoral votes to the blue side no matter how I vote, so I'm strongly considering voting for him.

But I want the popular vote to be as clearly against Trump as possible, so I will most likely vote for Harris.

Voting for Vermin is potentially funny, but it's confusing speech. I like to be as clear with my vote as possible.

If any of you are confused about how on Earth anyone can be undecided or what it's like trying to talk to undecided voters, check out Mayor Pete trying it with 25 of them.



There is a girl in here who is resolute for Jill Stein. She wants to "blow up the two party system". I want her to understand that the two party system is not the worst the US can do. We're on the verge of a one party system, not three.

 

[Jezza819]

I mean... it's not like they're equally bad choices though. One spent four years in the job already, showing a complete lack of respect for the fundamental limitations on government, enriching themselves and manipulating the judicial branch to give him a seemingly endless supply of GOJF cards, and has openly stated that they're going to do more of that but bigger next time. The other one hasn't said enough bad things about Israel being bastards.

Never mind all the other stuff, it's properly baffling that 45% of Americans - who'll scream blue murder about the first and second amendments at the slightest provocation (as evidenced by the number of them that don't take to having their posts moderated well and go straight to crying about 1A) - actively want a guy who is not only straight-up ignorant about the whole Constitution/BoR thing but doesn't give a **** about it and would wipe his arse with them if they were to hand and he could reach his arse to wipe it and wasn't in nappies anyway.

On some Youtube comments I've seen, "tell me how Harris is qualified?" to which I would respond, "tell me how Trump has ever been qualified to be President". He wasn't qualified the first time around and he's certainly not qualified this time.

 

[Danoff]

On some Youtube comments I've seen, "tell me how Harris is qualified?"

VP, Senator, AG, Prosecutor. Better resume than most of the presidents.

 

[Joey D]

Which wins out, a US service man's pledge to defend the constitution, or to follow orders from the president?

Just wondering.

Servicemen have a duty to disobey an unlawful order by law. They also swear allegiance to uphold the Constitution, not the president.

One of the most famous cases involving following unlawful orders comes from 2nd Lt William Calley Jr. who committed the My Lai massacre.

 

[Famine]

On some Youtube comments I've seen, "tell me how Harris is qualified?" to which I would respond, "tell me how Trump has ever been qualified to be President". He wasn't qualified the first time around and he's certainly not qualified this time.

I mean, I know toss all about her (except that she seems to smile and laugh a lot, which is preferable to the permanent ****-myself scowl and anger) but even I know she's been in the political machine for a couple of decades and has full experience of being part of the White House - compared to her predecessor who only ever held the role of President (and hardly fulfilled the duties), having previously only been a socialite on the nonce circuit.

And of course ought to be disqualified through multiple felonies, several very obvious breaches of Constitutional duty, and January 6th.

 

[dylansan]

I mean... it's not like they're equally bad choices though. One spent four years in the job already, showing a complete lack of respect for the fundamental limitations on government, enriching themselves and manipulating the judicial branch to give him a seemingly endless supply of GOJF cards, and has openly stated that they're going to do more of that but bigger next time. The other one hasn't said enough bad things about Israel being bastards.

On the whole I agree with you. Trump is without a doubt worse in every aspect, and it's bizarre that this or any other race he's taken part in has been close, let alone that he won once.

I take issue with your characterization of Harris as not having "said enough bad things about Israel being bastards." She's part of an administration supplying the weapons and has expressed clear support for that policy with no indication of conditioning support on human rights or any other criteria. It's not as passive as just not saying enough.

That said, I can't fathom anyone thinking that's a reason to vote for Trump—but I also don't think many actually do.

I live in Massachusetts so I feel no guilt voting third party. The message I want to send is "Democrats have to do better to earn votes if they don't want to risk losing" (a message I also sent in words via the contact page of wh.gov). If I lived in a swing state, the math would probably be different.

I'm very willing to compromise and would happily vote for Kamala despite many policy differences, if it weren't for Israel. I just can't be complicit in that.

Tl;dr they are both bad choices. But they are far from "equally bad" choices.

 

[Fezzik]

That said, I can't fathom anyone thinking that's a reason to vote for Trump—but I also don't think many actually do.

From what I've been reading in the various live blogs this is exactly what is happening. Many Arab-Americans are voting for Trump (or Stein where she's on the ballot) specifically because of Gaza and Lebanon. Given his past actions I can't understand why they think Trump will be better for them, but I guess anger beats logic.

Not sure if this link is geoblocked but if not check the posts from 3:22pm and 2:30pm for examples - https://www.thetimes.com/world/us-world/article/us-election-live-vote-polls-latest-news-20h08plgh

 

[Danoff]

On the whole I agree with you. Trump is without a doubt worse in every aspect, and it's bizarre that this or any other race he's taken part in has been close, let alone that he won once.

I take issue with your characterization of Harris as not having "said enough bad things about Israel being bastards." She's part of an administration supplying the weapons and has expressed clear support for that policy with no indication of conditioning support on human rights or any other criteria. It's not as passive as just not saying enough.

That said, I can't fathom anyone thinking that's a reason to vote for Trump—but I also don't think many actually do.

I live in Massachusetts so I feel no guilt voting third party. The message I want to send is "Democrats have to do better to earn votes if they don't want to risk losing" (a message I also sent in words via the contact page of wh.gov). If I lived in a swing state, the math would probably be different.

I'm very willing to compromise and would happily vote for Kamala despite many policy differences, if it weren't for Israel. I just can't be complicit in that.

Tl;dr they are both bad choices. But they are far from "equally bad" choices.

I don't understand sending the message that you care more about what's happening in other countries than you do about what's happening right here. There are other ways to show anger over support of Israel besides your vote. Peaceful protest has a long history in America. As does voting for particular candidates down ballot.

I would take issue with your wording "She's part of an administration supplying the weapons and has expressed clear support for that policy with no indication of conditioning support on human rights or any other criteria." That's definitely false. It's just not as much indication of conditioning support as you would like. But the Biden administration has shown some indication of conditioning support, and Harris has shown that she is farther from Israeli support than Biden, at least based on campaign statements.

She's not Joe Biden. And she's not campaigning on unconditional support for genocide. Voting for her does not make you complicit in Israel's actions.

 

[Obelisk]

I live in Massachusetts so I feel no guilt voting third party

Any vote for third party gives the orange clown more opportunity to win the electoral college vote in our state... It's not a protest or message to the Dems like you think it is.

Look back at 2016 and 2020. Trump had narrow margins in a few states and counties which were indirectly or directly caused by the number of 3rd party votes.

 

[Blitz24]

From what I've been reading in the various live blogs this is exactly what is happening. Many Arab-Americans are voting for Trump (or Stein where she's on the ballot) specifically because of Gaza and Lebanon. Given his past actions I can't understand why they think Trump will be better for them, but I guess anger beats logic.

If they are voting for Trump in Michigan due to this, it could cost Harris the election.

 

[NotThePrez]

Dropped off my ballot a moment ago. Fingers crossed Florida and her people can defeat my personal cynicism on this one.

 

[Danoff]

Any vote for third party gives the orange clown more opportunity to win the electoral college vote in our state...

When you're hanging on by a thread, you don't go waving your arms around. I do not understand the perceived safety to send a complicated signal to the democrats right now. There is only one signal, democracy and rule of law or no.

It's not where I want our country to be either. I'd rather be hashing out Israeli support and talking about taxes or the ACA. But right now the US is just no there. And I don't understand why some people pretend we are.

 

[Fezzik]

If they are voting for Trump in Michigan due to this, it could cost Harris the election.

Yes, in Dearborn. It's no surprise he was there a few days ago.

 

[Blitz24]

Yes, in Dearborn. It's no surprise he was there a few days ago.

Which is weird. I cannot see any appeal to Trump other than as a strongman.

 

[Joey D]

Yes, in Dearborn. It's no surprise he was there a few days ago.

Dearborn has a high number of non-US citizens. Something like 10% of the city aren't citizens with most of those people being from somewhere in the Middle East. Dearborn is about 35% Arab give or take and depending on what stat you use. Most of the city comprises of white guys who work for Ford and a bunch of Polish people. It's also worth noting that Bernie Sanders, a Jewish man, got the most votes in the 2016 primary election there. While I think there are going to be fewer Democrat votes this time around, there are still going to be quite a few since it's mostly a working-class city with a heavy UAW presence.

Abdullah Hammoud, the mayor of Dearborn, also has ties to Jill Stein. He refused to meet with Trump during his visit to the area too. So while I think a number of Arabs aren't for Harris, they're not for Trump either.