2024 US Presidential Election Thread

[TexRex]

So you're saying you wanted Harris in office she's so dumb all she knows how to do is laugh, and she thinks it's OK for women to continue committing murder of babies that will never have a chance at life! Let me ask you this what do you think GOD tells these murdered children. After you answer what would you tell the children if they could talk to you?


Start packing it's educated people like you that whine and whine.

When you carry out deception by wilfully misrepresenting others' remarks, you ought not preface with "so you're saying" because it's like a flashing neon sign. You're such a lying rat that the above isn't a reasonable response to anything I've posted on this forum, much less the post that you quoted.

Point of fact, I don't like Kamala Harris. Never have. Sure, she's better than your pedo bitch bronzer daddy, but that's a super low bar.

I mean she also oversaw 1900 convictions on marijuana offenses during seven years as San Francisco District Attorney.

They didn't and will never have a chance at life and yet they can be murdered? How does that work in your smooth-as-a-skinless-chicken-breast brain?

"You'll do," as He unbuttons the fly of His holy khakis.

Of course I kid. I don't actually share in your religious delusions.

I guess I'd tell those imaginary children that no individual has a natural claim to any part of another's body without consent, and then I'd attempt to juggle them while zip-lining between the twin World Trade Center towers (9/11 was a pretty unremarkable day in this imagined scenario), only I can't juggle and so they'd plummet to the ground hundreds of feet below and splatter like cantaloupes. Good stuff.

How does it feel to know that you respect consent exactly as little as child rapists do? That effective abortion prohibitions would presumably result in more potential victims is purely coincidental and doesn't figure into your motivations is something that I totally, for realsies believe.

And you, the uneducated, cry like a little bitch because someone called you darling. Amazing.

Actually it's action consistent with individual sovereignty and consent.

Conservative is when [bwuk-bwuk-BUGAWK].

 

[Tornado]

I'm not sure I've ever seen that onomatopoeia spelled out before. Hm.

 

[Danoff]

Ok I’ll admit, when I said I ”didn’t listen”, I said I did hear and see bits of her. Nevermind that she wasn’t Trump, she seemed likeable enough at first. Then she went down the ”tough on border control” kind of overton-window-shifting mode and got endorsed by Dick Cheney and thought ”uuhhh IDK about that. Hopefully it doesn’t matter”. Given that she lost the election, it clearly must’ve mattered, especially when combined with the Gaza situation and people’s experiences of the Biden administration. You may not think Biden was bad, but not everyone's you.

Given that she lost the election, everyone's reason must be your reason? And you want to tell me not everyone is me? I don't know that we understand the primary reason yet, but one of the biggest factors was inflation almost for certain. Dick Chaney is not going to be the reason.

The way I understood your interpretation was that people simply shouldn’t live in, nor deserve, a democracy, that society doesn’t work unless people live in a dictatorship. Which is probably the morale most dictatorships justify themselves with as we speak.

To me, that's the case it sounds like you're making. It sounds like you're saying people are just mindless sheep who will be led astray by whoever yells loudest, and that if they're not lead where we want them to be, it's the manipulators that are to blame. This is not an argument for representative government, especially when you couple that with the notion that you think the sheep are most heavily influenced by authoritarians. So, from my perspective, because you refuse to place agency and blame with the people of the US, you think that they cannot be trusted with the responsibility of participating in a democracy.

 

[Jezza819]

Less waving, more jacking off two dudes at the same time.

Edit: Based on the stroke length, well...good for them. I suppose he would get hung studs the likes of which have never been seen.

That reminds me of a scene from the HBO show "Silicon Valley" involving the same thing but with a dry erase board presentation. I'm sure it's on Youtube.

 

[TexRex]

Huh. Weird.

 

[UKMikey]

@Danoff did you change your profile picture?

[EDIT]

An "articulate, nuanced" reaction. "Spot on".

 

[Terronium-12]

Huh. Weird.

Oh ****. That reminds me that this... [words that wholeheartedly violate the AUP] will be made an official part of the government.

This country is so ****ing ****ed.

 

[mellofello9]

...

On a tangent from that last point, for all you might hear about gen alpha being wishy-washy namby-pambies, you'd be disturbingly surprised how many of them also think women are property and how it's funny to upset and bully other people. Children, by which I also specifically include mid-teenagers, consume online media at an increased rate and it does have a strong effect. If what they're consuming is junk, and god knows there is abominable junk out there, their brains are going to believe junk.

If you infect an ecosystem, everything existing in that ecosystem also becomes infected. Oversimplified but, IMHO, very true. When you flood a populace with a message, no matter what that message is, it WILL take hold. This is classic propaganda stuff staring you in the face as you doomscroll. It's cheap, easy and pernicious.

Too many Americans are susceptible to compromising everything for that one thing they want. That's what happened Tuesday. People were willing to give-up on democracy to save money. To me it seems this choice was made by a selfishly motivated American majority plagued by civic ignorance.

We're in a bit of a bad spot over here...

 

[sw3g005]

Given that she lost the election, everyone's reason must be your reason? And you want to tell me not everyone is me? I don't know that we understand the primary reason yet, but one of the biggest factors was inflation almost for certain. Dick Chaney is not going to be the reason.

Maybe "clearly" was the wrong word to use, but it could have been a contributing factor for the Dems/DNC to see and try and learn not to repeat next time. That is, if there is a next time. Or if they bother to learn at all.

To me, that's the case it sounds like you're making. It sounds like you're saying people are just mindless sheep who will be led astray by whoever yells loudest, and that if they're not lead where we want them to be, it's the manipulators that are to blame. This is not an argument for representative government, especially when you couple that with the notion that you think the sheep are most heavily influenced by authoritarians. So, from my perspective, because you refuse to place agency and blame with the people of the US, you think that they cannot be trusted with the responsibility of participating in a democracy.

"Sheep" aren't most influenced by authoritarians, they're most influenced by charismatic leaders (and media) telling people what they want to hear. This isn't something unique to authoritarians, but unfortunately alot of said leaders are authoritarians. Populism may have a bad reputation cuz of its association with authoritarianism, but the two aren't (and never have been) mutually exclusive. The famous Obama quote "Change has come to America" is a great example of that.

I must admit that my expectations on humans/humanity is pretty low and has been since Covid, what with the whole people showing their true colors and politicians proving they can do something about crisises just not the climate one deal. Add to that Ukraine and the hypocritical treatment of the war refugees as well as the Gaza war and well... At this point I'm just happy if anything positive happens at all, if not it goes straight into the "terrible but predictable" bin.

 

[Danoff]

I must admit that my expectations on humans/humanity is pretty low and has been since Covid, what with the whole people showing their true colors and politicians proving they can do something about crisises just not the climate one deal. Add to that Ukraine and the hypocritical treatment of the war refugees as well as the Gaza war and well... At this point I'm just happy if anything positive happens at all, if not it goes straight into the "terrible but predictable" bin.

I don't know that in the US we showed that we could do anything about the crisis. In the US we had Trump as the president at the time, and he was awful. He tried to hide cases, spread misinformation, sent Putin test kits, blamed China for everything, refused to wear a mask, interfered with the CDC, and generally encourage the public not to trust anything that the government or medical professionals said about anything. And so lots of us died.

My expectations and cynicism of humanity are also pretty low at this point. But I have not abandoned holding voters accountable for their votes.

 

[TexRex]

It's so wild to me that Cokey McThroaty* has the audacity to lecture others on healthy living.

*Bobby Brainworm, that is. The bitch what sounds like a garbage disposal trying to break down chicken bones.

[You should absolutely not put chicken bones in the garbage disposal. The rubber baffle is meant to stop splatter, not solid objects. You probably shouldn't have one at all because things it will never get a chance to break down but will clog the drain invariably get put in it.]

 

[Danoff]

Liberal women going on sex strike over Trump win

Disgruntled female voters draw inspiration from Korean 4B movement to take revenge against men who voted Republican

www.telegraph.co.uk

This has to be one of the dumbest takes I've seen on the election. A 4 year abstinence plan to get back at men for electing Trump? Not having sex, or any kind of relationship, with a person whose views you find abhorrent and demeaning of you, should probably last a lifetime, not just 4 years. The 4 year no-sex thing seems kinda transactional. Like, if you vote how I want I'll give you what you want. Not a great message.

 

[Exorcet]

Once again, desperation is a thing. People doensn’t always think rationally when desperate. I’m no psychologist but even I know that much.

I'm not disagreeing, but if the result is the 2024 election, this is a serious issue that needs a solution.

 

[Lain]

Liberal women going on sex strike over Trump win

Disgruntled female voters draw inspiration from Korean 4B movement to take revenge against men who voted Republican

www.telegraph.co.uk

This has to be one of the dumbest takes I've seen on the election. A 4 year abstinence plan to get back at men for electing Trump? Not having sex, or any kind of relationship, with a person whose views you find abhorrent and demeaning of you, should probably last a lifetime, not just 4 years. The 4 year no-sex thing seems kinda transactional. Like, if you vote how I want I'll give you what you want. Not a great message.

On the other hand... I voted for Kamala, ladies.

 

[HenrySwanson]

I'm not disagreeing, but if the result is the 2024 election, this is a serious issue that needs a solution.

You'll never solve it - it's human psychology.

E.g. If I'm scared of dying I'm gonna listen to the people who say that you get to live in bliss after dying by voting for them.

Liberals/progressives should move on from scratching their heads over the result and instead think of ways to mitigate the potential damage.

 

[Danoff]

You'll never solve it - it's human psychology.

E.g. If I'm scared of dying I'm gonna listen to the people who say that you get to live in bliss after dying by voting for them.

You should probably not.

Liberals/progressives should move on from scratching their heads over the result and instead think of ways to mitigate the potential damage.

People have been trying to mitigate the damage for years...

 

[Exorcet]

You'll never solve it - it's human psychology.

I'd say we've made progress. Myth and superstition aren't as strong as they used to be even if they're far from gone. While they will be a lingering problem I don't think it's unsolvable.

 

[HenrySwanson]

You should probably not.

Doesn't work with a lot of people.

People have been trying to mitigate the damage for years...

Whole new ballgame now as you yanks would say. Maybe you'll need a George Floyd/Mahsa Amini moment to spark something if the structures to protect American democracy don't keep him in check. Could be that the window is before he takes over.

 

[Danoff]

Doesn't work with a lot of people.

It can though. We're all capable.

Whole new ballgame now as you yanks would say. Maybe you'll need a George Floyd/Mahsa Amini moment to spark something if the structures to protect American democracy don't keep him in check. Could be that the window is before he takes over.

I don't understand what you're saying. Nothing will keep him in check. He believes he has the literal authority to murder anyone he chooses for any reason and cannot be touched by law. The ONLY recourse to this (based on his supreme court) is impeachment and removal from office. And he believes he can murder them too.

That's game, set, and match. There is no "structure" holding him in place. The supreme court granted him immunity, and he ran on a PLATFORM of murdering (or at least imprisoning) political opponents by using the military. He has openly asked if he can shoot protesters before. He knows now that he can. Who's a protester? Anyone who protests anything he says.

There is no legal constraint, no political constraint, no voter constraint. Trump will take office believing he can literally shoot anyone for any reason any time in front of anyone and nobody can do anything about it (again, except congress, who he can also shoot or have the military shoot).

It's actually worse than this. Because he can also ask supporters to break any law, commit any atrocity, against anyone in the nation for any reason and then pardon them. So he can deputize anyone to also have the same immunity as himself for carrying out any orders.

And the maniac with these powers has a long history of threatening people to get what he wants. And they will know now just what could stand behind that threat.

 

[HenrySwanson]

It can though. We're all capable.

I don't understand what you're saying. Nothing will keep him in check. He believes he has the literal authority to murder anyone he chooses for any reason and cannot be touched by law. The ONLY recourse to this (based on his supreme court) is impeachment and removal from office. And he believes he can murder them too.

That's game, set, and match. There is no "structure" holding him in place. The supreme court granted him immunity, and he ran on a PLATFORM of murdering (or at least imprisoning) political opponents by using the military. He has openly asked if he can shoot protesters before. He knows now that he can. Who's a protester? Anyone who protests anything he says.

There is no legal constraint, no political constraint, no voter constraint. Trump will take office believing he can literally shoot anyone for any reason any time in front of anyone and nobody can do anything about it (again, except congress, who he can also shoot or have the military shoot).

It's actually worse than this. Because he can also ask supporters to break any law, commit any atrocity, against anyone in the nation for any reason and then pardon them. So he can deputize anyone to also have the same immunity as himself for carrying out any orders.

And the maniac with these powers has a long history of threatening people to get what he wants. And they will know now just what could stand behind that threat.

Did Harris go with this in any way in the tail-end of her campaign?

The exact opposite is true for the “strong populist” message we tested. This message, which combined progressive economic policy suggestions with a strong condemnation of “billionaires”, “big corporations” and the “politicians in Washington who serve them”, tested best with blue-collar workers, service and clerical workers and professionals.

To win, Harris should talk more about working-class needs and less about Trump | Dustin Guastella

Our polling shows that the best way to defeat Trump is offer a compelling economic platform that puts working families first

www.theguardian.com

Point is there has to be a winning strategy since you guys beat them in the intelligence department.

 

[ScottPuss20]

It sounds like you're saying people are just mindless sheep who will be led astray by whoever yells loudest, and that if they're not lead where we want them to be, it's the manipulators that are to blame. This is not an argument for representative government, especially when you couple that with the notion that you think the sheep are most heavily influenced by authoritarians. So, from my perspective, because you refuse to place agency and blame with the people of the US, you think that they cannot be trusted with the responsibility of participating in a democracy.

It's true! You're putting way too much faith in people.

 

[HenrySwanson]

The problem is compounded since the right have got a headstart in the culture war, and therefore in the minds of youngsters:

Why Democrats Are Losing the Culture War

The booming right-wing influencer ecosystem helped reelect Donald Trump—and the other side may not have an answer.

www.theatlantic.com

Harris appearing on SNL is great....if we were in 2004.

EDIT: And Tate is who our esteemed leader for Reform UK Fuhrage MP referenced following the Southport stabbings that led to rioting.

This guy:

Spoiler: Language warning

 

[Blitz24]

The problem is compounded since the right have got a headstart in the culture war, and therefore in the minds of youngsters:

Why Democrats Are Losing the Culture War

The booming right-wing influencer ecosystem helped reelect Donald Trump—and the other side may not have an answer.

www.theatlantic.com

Harris appearing on SNL is great....if we were in 2004.

EDIT: And Tate is who our esteemed leader for Reform UK Fuhrage MP referenced following the Southport stabbings that led to rioting.

This guy:

Spoiler: Language warning

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Can we just fire Tate into outer space without a spacesuit?

 

[Strittan]

This guy:

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That’s so dumb that it’s so funny that it’s not even funny anymore.

How did we end up here, really? Can it be traced back to 80’s yuppie culture? Or earlier? Later? Or is woke culture and exaggerated political correctness to blame?

 

[FuriousDemon]

Well, he’s not wrong. It’s going to be better … for one particular demographic: rich, who will be able to buy up all the foreclosed houses once **** really hits the fan.

 

[TexRex]

How did we end up here, really? Can it be traced back to 80’s yuppie culture? Or earlier? Later? Or is woke culture and exaggerated political correctness to blame?

Corvids. Crows, magpies, blue jays. They're all assholes so they're obviously the problem.

 

[GBO Possum]

Remember "No tax on tips", "no tax on overtime" and "no tax on social security benefits"?

Sure, you can remember these today, but don't count on Trump and Republicans remembering them for much longer.

These slogans got some votes in, but they were just "ideas". (Nobody saw THAT coming... did they 😂)

Trump’s Tax Proposals Face a Fiscal Reckoning

Advisers to President-elect Donald J. Trump and Republicans on Capitol Hill are already looking at ways to scale back some of his more expensive ideas.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Jezza819]

Or is woke culture and exaggerated political correctness to blame?

But what do those two terms mean?

Remember "No tax on tips", "no tax on overtime" and "no tax on social security benefits"?

Sure, you can remember these today, but don't count on Trump and Republicans remembering them for much longer.

These slogans got some votes in, but they were just "ideas". (Nobody saw THAT coming... did they 😂)

Trump’s Tax Proposals Face a Fiscal Reckoning

Advisers to President-elect Donald J. Trump and Republicans on Capitol Hill are already looking at ways to scale back some of his more expensive ideas.

www.nytimes.com

Well those were just concepts of plans.

 

[Blitz24]

Remember "No tax on tips", "no tax on overtime" and "no tax on social security benefits"?

Sure, you can remember these today, but don't count on Trump and Republicans remembering them for much longer.

These slogans got some votes in, but they were just "ideas". (Nobody saw THAT coming... did they 😂)

Trump’s Tax Proposals Face a Fiscal Reckoning

Advisers to President-elect Donald J. Trump and Republicans on Capitol Hill are already looking at ways to scale back some of his more expensive ideas.

www.nytimes.com

Which is why everything he campaigned for to help others was a lie. All of it was a lie and he has no shame duping all of those low class and/or retirees.

 

[LeMansAid]

Anyway, it shouldnt be possible at all to lose to a convicted criminal, because this person shouldnt be allowed to be voted when the same status applied to a whole lot of citizens denies their right to vote.

Personally I still think the military should court martial Trump as commander in chief for treason. His sentence could be carried out by the weekend.

It feels so wrong, but it's actually crucially right. Simply, the people should get who they choose. It's important to separate the person/situation from the principle, though. The Trump situation is maybe an ugly example of a beautiful democratic principle.

Let's say it turned out that a whistle-blower committed treason in order to expose Trump, and was incarcerated by Trump. That whistle-blower should indeed be able to pardon themselves if the nation voted for them to be president. Surely the system has to act as if the majority is right, even if it isn't. Based on democratic principle alone, I don't think that the military should be going against a 70 million +, majority population's wishes. That would set a very scary precedent, in my opinion, and effectively erode a critical safeguard. A leader not voted for is a different story, however.

Note - I've written that with a sense of confidence, but I'm no expert. There may be something pivotal that I've overlooked or am not aware of.