2024 US Presidential Election Thread

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As a noob can I say that it is reassuring seeing sanity for the most part in this thread. My default position when I go online is to expect Trump supporting abuse to overwhelm rational dialogue by about three or four to one. And car culture...I don't really know what to expect. I don't spend much time racing in sims; I I'm more focused on drifting, and the douche/non-douche ratio there is depressingly lopsided. I actually came here looking for something completely different and clicked on this thread expecting the absolute worst. But it's a pleasant surprise.

I don't live in the US by the way - I'm from the UK. And we're completely bewildered by the slow suicide of American democracy over the last decade or so. Me personally? I would like America to remain a deeply flawed but overall beneficent superpower, because the idea of any of the other competing countries taking its place is terrifying, and should scare the hell out of anyone who thinks about it for even a few seconds. So I am rooting for you guys, and for Biden, as lacklustre a candidate as he is. We had a similar politician called Gordon Brown in Britain; he was to Blair as Biden was to Obama. The comparison isn't precise, but the thing they have in common is that they both seemed impressive and steely/charismatic...right until they took office and had to read from autocues and interact with the press and ordinary people. Brown turned from a determined, focused-looking, authoritative figure into a strange, socially awkward nothing. And Biden turned from a smiling, joking, charismatic, likeable guy into a man who looks like he is actively suppressing all his social instincts every time he opens his mouth.

His weakness on the campaign trail should be irrelevant for two reasons; firstly his achievements in office seem, from my distant vantage point, to be mostly impressive, and secondly he's running against a villain from Mad Max. I think, given the margin of victory last time, that Trump is unlikely to turn that around for this election. I think the polls are misleading and the 'shy voter' theory that meant pollsters undercounted Trump voters in 2016 has actually reversed this time around, and people are more likely to be embarrassed about voting for Biden. Whereas Trump voters are much more emboldened - they slather their front lawns in his horrible merch, stick pictures of his mugshot on their. car windows, yell about his policies in the middle of Target, etc.

So IMO a lot of the panic will turn out to have been unwarranted. Still, doesn't make things any less precarious and existentially dangerous, so I keep my fingers crossed for you, as do a lot of Europeans(most Europeans). America might be ****ed up and flawed and contradictory and hypocritical, but it's also idealistic and capable of greatness. I'll stick with an America as 'leader of the free world' rather than China or Russia, ta very much.
 
Japanese luxury cars in the ‘80s, Korean cars in the ‘90s, etc etc. We’ve heard it all before. Chinese cars will sell here.
Japan and Korea were not adversaries in those time periods. China is an adversary. While that might not mean much to consumers, it means something to elected officials and our foreign policy apparatus. I think it will be tougher for the Chinese to get their cars into the US than it was for Japan and Korea.
 
Japan and Korea were not adversaries in those time periods. China is an adversary. While that might not mean much to consumers, it means something to elected officials and our foreign policy apparatus. I think it will be tougher for the Chinese to get their cars into the US than it was for Japan and Korea.
It was largely one way traffic as far as importing Japanese and Korean cars into the US goes. China imports American-made cars (as well as the US brands made over there on licence) If the US decides to play hardball with Chinese imports, they'll just do the same back.
 
Japan and Korea were not adversaries in those time periods. China is an adversary. While that might not mean much to consumers, it means something to elected officials and our foreign policy apparatus. I think it will be tougher for the Chinese to get their cars into the US than it was for Japan and Korea.
From a trade perspective, Japan in the 80's certainly was. I can remember the tariffs, trade wars, and accusations of IP theft that were common between the US and Japan (and Europe and Japan to a lesser degree).
 
From a trade perspective, Japan in the 80's certainly was. I can remember the tariffs, trade wars, and accusations of IP theft that were common between the US and Japan (and Europe and Japan to a lesser degree).
Right but we also weren't rattling sabers about them invading an ally. Or building military bases in international waters. Or working against us in foreign policy hot spots around the world. Japan was (since 1951) and still is a US ally. Korea was (since 1953) and still is a US ally. China is a very different animal - it's much more like if the Soviet Union had been trying (if they had even one ounce of competence) to sell state-backed cars in the USA in the 1970s.
 
All the things he could have done in his first term but didn't... or all the things he wanted to do but couldn't.
 
Did Trump win a Fox News poll or something? I always wonder exaclty what magnet attracts right-wingers to return with the triumphant grandour of Groucho Marx in Duck Soup.
 
Did Trump win a Fox News poll or something? I always wonder exaclty what magnet attracts right-wingers to return with the triumphant grandour of Groucho Marx in Duck Soup.
Probably from the birther movement where he kept accusing Obama of not being American. His attitude basically fell in line with those angry that a non-white man won the presidency. Just like a virus, this type of thinking spreads.
 
Probably from the birther movement where he kept accusing Obama of not being American. His attitude basically fell in line with those angry that a non-white man won the presidency. Just like a virus, this type of thinking spreads.
Sorry, I meant to this particular thread at this particular time.
 
Japan and Korea were not adversaries in those time periods. China is an adversary. While that might not mean much to consumers, it means something to elected officials and our foreign policy apparatus. I think it will be tougher for the Chinese to get their cars into the US than it was for Japan and Korea.

And yet, the average price of a new vehicle in the US is north of $40K, with the least expensive models hovering at $18-24K. Of course there's room for the second-coming of Yugo, because there's always someone willing to just go for a low price.

Ideally, I don't want to see them here, but darned if the automotive ecosystem isn't already a bit messed up. Like Japanese and Korean cars, it might take two decades for more widespread acceptance.
 
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So it's valuable to you that Trump hurts the people he thinks have wronged him?

I guess you both hate the same people. Who might they be? Do tell.
I don't hate anyone. I don't think Trump does, either.
Why do you assume that your opposition is hateful?
 
"I don't think Trump hates anyone".

Yeah, guy who has an entire Wiki article with tons of different race-related controversies & has a repeated stance of insulting people with nicknames definitely doesn't hate anyone.

I've got black accountants at Trump Castle and at Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys wearing yarmulkes.... Those are the only kind of people I want counting my money. Nobody else... Besides that, I've got to tell you something else. I think that the guy's lazy. And it's probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks.
In an interview with Playboy in 1999, Trump remarked that “[t]he stuff O’Donnell wrote about me is probably true.
In a New York magazine profile published in November 1992, a year after Trump divorced his first wife, Ivana, Trump was quoted dispensing his wisdom about how to handle the fairer sex.
“You have to treat ’em like ****,” Trump said in the article to friend Philip Johnson, who responded, “You’d make a good mafioso.”
Speaking to The New York Times for an article published in May 2011, Trump likened homosexual relationships to changing tastes in golf equipment.

“A lot of people — I don’t want this to sound trivial — but a lot of people are switching to these really long putters, very unattractive,” he said. “It’s weird. You see these great players with these really long putters, because they can’t sink three-footers anymore. And, I hate it. I am a traditionalist.”

“I have so many fabulous friends who happen to be gay, but I am a traditionalist,” he said.
“Any Jewish person that votes for Democrats hates their religion, they hate everything about Israel and they should be ashamed of themselves, because Israel will be destroyed"
In October 2022, Trump made a post on his social media website Truth Social attacking Mitch McConnell and his Taiwanese wife, Elaine Chao, calling her "China loving wife, Coco Chow".
After the 2022 midterms, Trump made a post on Truth Social attacking Virginia's Republican governor Glenn Youngkin and deliberately misspelled his name as "Young Kin" and said "Sounds Chinese, doesn't it?"

Clown ass behavior.
Mr Rogers Clown GIF
 
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I don't know how accurate this is but this news story claims Trump will become over 3 billion dollars richer if today's shareholder vote backs his plan to float Trump Media. Per the article he wouldn't see the money for around six months if this were the case, though as the merger document contains a clause preventing him from liquidating his shares immediately in order to prevent a glut which would devalue their overall price.
 
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Reap the whirlwind, progressives.
Folks are seeing through the crap that's been spewed.
None of the DEI, climate change garbage is being consumed anymore.
I guess you can fall back to calling everything racist.
Blacks and Hispanics are rapidly switching sides. Check the polls.
You're not looking too good for November. Better find a new game plan.
 
Reap the whirlwind, progressives.
Folks are seeing through the crap that's been spewed.
None of the DEI, climate change garbage is being consumed anymore.
I guess you can fall back to calling everything racist.
Blacks and Hispanics are rapidly switching sides. Check the polls.
You're not looking too good for November. Better find a new game plan.
Aren't you the guy supporting the rapist?
 
What's your point? Is that a rebuttal?
To what?

You're saying "you're not looking too good for November", but you're the one supporting a rapist. Meaning your situation for November is far worse. Even if you "win" you lose. Honestly, you've already lost because you're championing someone who belongs in jail. You'll never get your integrity back no matter what happens. Trump wins? sturk has to face the rest of his life having sold himself out. Trump loses? sturk has to face the rest of his life having sold himself out.
 
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Japan and Korea were not adversaries in those time periods. China is an adversary. While that might not mean much to consumers, it means something to elected officials and our foreign policy apparatus. I think it will be tougher for the Chinese to get their cars into the US than it was for Japan and Korea.
The US (and everyone else) has been buying Chinese goods for decades, "adversary" or not. That bridge was crossed a long time ago. Once they have a product that is of a price/performance that is competitive, people will happily buy and politicians will happily take "donations" from businesses who want to import. Or from local arms of those same Chinese companies for that matter. Lobbyists gonna lobby. Most political decisions aren't based on principle or what's best for the country and haven't been for a long time.

Besides, if Trump gets into power everyone is an adversary. Including America.
 
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