2024 US Presidential Election Thread

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DeSantis is hardly moving away from Trump style politics though. It's like choosing between proctitis or a kidney stone trapped in the urethra.
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I agree, but DeSantis is still preferable to someone who actively tried to overthrow the government. I'd still be worried he'd attempt the same thing (with more success).
 
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Danoff
I agree, but DeSantis is still preferable to someone who actively tried to overthrow the government. I'd still be worried he'd attempt the same thing (with more success).
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A bit confused here. You are worried DeSantis will try the same thing or that Trump will try it again?
 
I do have to wonder if DeSantis really believes the stuff he spouts or if he's just trying to wind up his base? I think he's a terrible person, but I don't think he's a babbling idiot like Trump is. He seems more calculated and effective at gaming the system and fleecing money out of people.

Honestly, I think Pence will end up with the nomination since he's going to be far more likable and probably able to sway more independent voters. Right now, I don't think independents would look at DeSantis and think "now here's a guy that will make America great again." And while I don't think I would agree with Pence on many things, I think he'd, at the very least, not attempt to overthrow the US government.
 
Joey D
I do have to wonder if DeSantis really believes the stuff he spouts or if he's just trying to wind up his base? I think he's a terrible person, but I don't think he's a babbling idiot like Trump is. He seems more calculated and effective at gaming the system and fleecing money out of people.

Honestly, I think Pence will end up with the nomination since he's going to be far more likable and probably able to sway more independent voters. Right now, I don't think independents would look at DeSantis and think "now here's a guy that will make America great again." And while I don't think I would agree with Pence on many things, I think he'd, at the very least, not attempt to overthrow the US government.
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He'd be hanging himself if he did. Metaphorically speaking.

I'm not sure how he'd win over the Trump train crowd, whose votes they'd presumably need to beat Joe, either.
 
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Joey D
I do have to wonder if DeSantis really believes the stuff he spouts or if he's just trying to wind up his base? I think he's a terrible person, but I don't think he's a babbling idiot like Trump is. He seems more calculated and effective at gaming the system and fleecing money out of people.

Honestly, I think Pence will end up with the nomination since he's going to be far more likable and probably able to sway more independent voters. Right now, I don't think independents would look at DeSantis and think "now here's a guy that will make America great again." And while I don't think I would agree with Pence on many things, I think he'd, at the very least, not attempt to overthrow the US government.
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It didn't even occur to me that Pence would run, but opposing Trump ensures you're going to get death threats and, hey, it turns out he has experience with that.
 
Populuxe
I thought the MCU's Phase 4 was supposed to fix all these awful variant timelines.
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Blame Loki.
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Danoff
But the notion that they could imobilize someone who had that degree of control over reality itself is preposterous.
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Seriously, though, imagine having a magic wishing glove and, instead of wishing the problem away, decide to create more victims instead because nihilism.

Talking of rants, here's another one from @dreamweasel:

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God, I think I'd almost rather have Trump than DeSantis. Unlike Trump, DeSantis is actually smart enough to pull off overthrowing the government and doing some real damage to the country. While Trump is certainly capable of doing damage, his too far up his own ass to successfully pull it off.

I really hope Biden wises up and the Democrats run a moderate, young, intelligent candidate that wipes the floor with whatever the Republicans trot out.
 
Joey D
God, I think I'd almost rather have Trump than DeSantis. Unlike Trump, DeSantis is actually smart enough to pull off overthrowing the government and doing some real damage to the country. While Trump is certainly capable of doing damage, his too far up his own ass to successfully pull it off.

I really hope Biden wises up and the Democrats run a moderate, young, intelligent candidate that wipes the floor with whatever the Republicans trot out.
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Democrats might go full stupid and primary Sanders if Biden doesn't run. I cannot see that as an improvement in any way. All you've done is reshuffle the deck chairs.
 
Tl;dr: GOP candidates can't win primaries without appealing to naked prejudice and petty smallmindedness but these qualities are unlikely to win them elections.

Small wonder they want to undermine faith in the election process. If America doesn't fall for that ruse, well, they can always gerrymander, and mess with voting rights to try and shift the balance in their favour.

That way, it won't matter if the majority of people are against their brand of authoritarian fascism since they won't get so much of a say.
 
UKMikey
Tl;dr: GOP candidates can't win primaries without appealing to naked prejudice and petty smallmindedness but these qualities are unlikely to win them elections.
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They just won a whole bunch of congressional elections. They're doing well because their new values appeal to the most primal desires of their constituents. All this malarkey about Republicans not being able to win is total nonsense. They are winning, they are brutal, they are hateful, and it is leading to disaster for the country. Their convoluted plan to rig the government from the inside out is working rather well, as well as movie villains' grand schemes. The problem is movie villains are always defeated by superheroes and superheroes aren't real.

The Empire is rising.
 
Is the Empire gaining ground in traditional Democrat strongholds? If not, then I'm not sure you can say that they're winning bigly. They further lost control of the Senate in the midterms, after all. I don't know how many independent voters are swayed by fear of immigrant hordes, mask madates and drag queen story hours which seem to be their major platforms atm.

I can see their strategy playing to their base, but how big is their base right now?
 
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UKMikey
Is the Empire gaining ground in traditional Democrat strongholds?
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You're asking the wrong question. Have they gained ground in tradition blue strongholds, no, but they have successfully compressed those strongholds into fewer districts. There are fewer people in rural counties than ever in American history and the urban and suburban population is rapidly increasing, and yet Republicans are still able to gain House seats through gerrymandering. And they can do that because they've effectively packed courts and state legislatures. The voting power of a rural voter is like twice that of an urban voter these days, it's insane, and that means that while the increasing urban population may over time help with Senate voting, it actually hurts House voting because Democrats are a bunch of educated city people who hate owning property and thus want to pack themselves into the tiniest little districts possible. They allow themselves to be gerrymandered lol.

Damn it Democrats, move to the freaking burbs already. Have a yard, mow some grass. Turn a few more districts blue for cripes sake.
 
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I thought Trump was funny but the schtick has gotten old. DeSantis seems like a Ted Cruz clone in terms of personality. Biden is a wet blanket. I might sit this one out.
 
UKMikey
Is the Empire gaining ground in traditional Democrat strongholds? If not, then I'm not sure you can say that they're winning bigly. They further lost control of the Senate in the midterms, after all. I don't know how many independent voters are swayed by fear of immigrant hordes, mask madates and drag queen story hours which seem to be their major platforms atm.

I can see their strategy playing to their base, but how big is their base right now?
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I would assume it's of significant size right now, but I believe it will dwindle from here on out. Which is where I don't really agree with the whole, "The Empire is rising". They won seats, but not by the margins they thought they would & it seems currently clear from the last election cycle that the younger generation has no love for the Republican party. The Republican's base is the next to slowly pass away & the younger generation is easily more active in their protests, social media, & willingness to protect others. The Republicans run on a charade of promoting Christianity by law, hating LGTBQ+, taking shots at minorities through the border/crime, & occasionally attacking the younger generation in general like a few Conservative chuckle ****s saying, "Raise the voting age" b/c that will definitely play well when those younger voters meet the threshold the next time around. :rolleyes:

All those things are the issues the 30 & under crowd don't vibe with & they will dictate this country with their votes for the next few decades. Republicans know this and are scared, but also stupid hence why they refuse to change strategy. Unfortunately, this should remain easy victories for the Democrats, but the younger generation doesn't forgive so easily, so the more they fiddle-fart around with policy, the more that up & coming generation might just stay home feeling neither side has their interest.
 
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Keef
Damn it Democrats, move to the freaking burbs already. Have a yard, mow some grass. Turn a few more districts blue for cripes sake.
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Gimme a few decades.

Not helped much when Democrats finally get a chance to wield power, they give it back to the people, who in turn vote for some greedy or weak representatives, which cycles it back to greedy or terrible Republicans, and then...

The political cycle seems an awful lot like laundry; it's never done and a lot of it stinks, and watching it spin and tumble is a little tedious.
 
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Pupik
Gimme a few decades.

Not helped much when Democrats finally get a chance to wield power, they give it back to the people, who in turn vote for some greedy or weak representatives, which cycles it back to greedy or terrible Republicans, and then...

The political cycle seems an awful lot like laundry; it's never done and a lot of it stinks, and watching it spin and tumble is a little tedious.
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If they're not careful the electorate will hang them both out to dry.
 

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