2024 US Presidential Election Thread

[McLaren]

His supporters are claiming what he means is the country "will be fixed, it will be fine" & "you won't have to vote again" referring to him not running. I mean, I guess that's a way to see it. But, that just highlights that he's a narcissist whose going, "I don't care about what you do in 4 years, just vote to save my ass". In fact, I think he's actually said those words recently of, "I don't care about you, I want your vote".

However, given all the other unhinged **** he says & does regarding our foundations, it's more than reasonable for everyone else to hear those words and believe he's once again threatening authoritarianism. If he means something else, then it's another well documented piece of evidence that he's actually awful at messaging his words unless you actually want to hear extremist rhetoric because it could hurt the people they want it to, which they've shown as much, too.

Basically, they can spin this however they want, he's an absolute idiot for uttering out these words just as he does electric boats & sharks or Hannibal Lector, but the cult is a cult for a reason.

 

[UKMikey]

"America isn't a democracy".

 

[MIE1992]

"America isn't a democracy".

🤓 is what I think of those people who try to get pedantic and say we’re a republic, as if the two are mutually-exclusive.

 

[UKMikey]

🤓 is what I think of those people who try to get pedantic and say we’re a republic, as if the two are mutually-exclusive.

Add a toothbrush moustache to your emoji. Their authoritarianism is showing.

 

[Com Fox]

Its interesting how what Trump says is interpreted. In Australia that would imply they want to get rid of compulsory voting which I would support but that can't be the case in America as voting is optional.

Didnt Trump declare intention of changing the rules to make a 3rd Term possible? Seems very much like the dictator route when saying "don't have to vote again" to me

 

[McLaren]

Its interesting how what Trump says is interpreted. In Australia that would imply they want to get rid of compulsory voting which I would support but that can't be the case in America as voting is optional.

Didnt Trump declare intention of changing the rules to make a 3rd Term possible? Seems very much like the dictator route when saying "don't have to vote again" to me

He made a comment at a rally earlier this year about how FDR served four terms and then asked, "Are we a three or two term if we win?". He also said in a later interview that if he wins, he would retire at the end of his term, but you never know.

He definitely has some supporters who think he should be allowed to serve three terms under the idea that 2016-2020 & 2024-2028 are not consecutive terms, therefore if he "does a good job", he should be allowed to serve 2028-2032 as well b/c he's "earned that". Much in the same way some think he was cheated out of a 2nd term for 2020-2024, so he's actually owed another term as well. It's just dumb nonsense to in their idea of justifying the repeal of the 22nd Amendment.

 

[Tornado]

He also said at a rally in 2020 before the election something like when he won he was owed an additional two years because of the trouble Democrats put him through with the impeachments.

 

[FuriousDemon]

You know, let’s go with the Trump cultist on this one. trump actually won the election. He also actually served the last term as president too. Biden was just a figurehead. That’s why he’s stepping down, since trump cannot be president anymore, Biden’s services are no longer required. Elections are just a sham, since trump can’t serve more than two terms. Just to keep people from losing their minds.

 

[UKMikey]

One example of spin I'm hearing from his apologists is that Trump will make elections "fair and balanced" again by requiring voter ID and minimising or eliminating postal and early voting so the Dems can't "cheat" or "rig" the election by increasing voter turnout. Once he's elected and has implemented these changes, they say, fewer people will have to vote next time to keep him in power so the people he's addressing won't have to show up next time if they don't want to.

It says a lot about the people pushing this scenario that they consider this a positive representation of his statement, or any kind of evidence that Trump isn't an authoritarian maniac. They don't seem to have any idea about how to woo the middle ground.

 

[Yard_Sale]

The best solution IMO would be to make Election Day a national holiday, or at the very least…on the first complete weekend (Friday-Saturday-Sunday) of November. All voting in-person except for essential services. More voter turnout. Less potential of fraud from either side.

 

[Scaff]

The best solution IMO would be to make Election Day a national holiday, or at the very least…on the first complete weekend (Friday-Saturday-Sunday) of November.

This I would agree with, as well as stations open from the early morning to late at night.

All voting in-person except for essential services.

Congratulations you just disenfranchised a massive swath of voters

More voter turnout.

See above, nope.

Less potential of fraud from either side.

A solution awaiting a problem, voter fraud is categorically not an issue in the US, and certainly at anything close (and by significant orders of magnitude) to have impacted any election.

What you (and the right) are proposing would result in significantly fewer people who are eligible to vote to be able to do so while making no real difference to instances of voter fraud at all.

Electoral fraud in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Duke]

Nobody but hard core Republicans think voter fraud is an actual issue in the US. And even then, only when they lose.

 

[Joey D]

Utah has universal mail in voting, early voting, and you can go to any polling place in your county and vote in person. It's safe, it's secure, and it works. Mind you this is like the reddest state in the union too and if they can accept it it can be accepted anywhere.

 

[Com Fox]

More voter turnout.

I feel like this is a silly goal to achieve. If voting is optional, people will vote if they want to because they want to have their voices heard on who they want (or don't want given the two party system) if they don't care, they won't vote or make a silly donkey vote.

Trying to force a scenario to get people who don't care to care sounds ridiculous. In Australia, mandatory voting is one of the reasons why a two party system still has developed despite a preferential voting system as the people who don't actually care are being forced to vote and Labor and Liberal can market themselves as the only options. Cut away the forced voting and lower the voting turnout and you'll have less apathetic voters and votes from people who want to have their voice heard.

Let Voter turnout be natural, less voting is a message the system in general isn't working as the choices aren't good enough and more voting means more demand for change and a certain outcome. As someone who used to not take votes seriously until few years ago, not everyone wants to use their voice, and making them only muddles the people who want to use it. Not to say you abvocating for mandatory voting but I don't think changing voting process just for the sake more turnout should be goal. The number of Voters should be a message not a success/failure measure of voting

 

[MIE1992]

All voting in-person except for essential services.

What about military personnel that may be deployed very far away from a polling booth? For examples, military deployed to Germany or Japan? Or if you’re deployed to a different state than where you’re registered? Surely, you wouldn’t disenfranchise our own armed forces, would you?

 

[Blitz24]

What about military personnel that may be deployed very far away from a polling booth? For examples, military deployed to Germany or Japan? Or if you’re deployed to a different state than where you’re registered? Surely, you wouldn’t disenfranchise our own armed forces, would you?

Nope, they have to come back to the states and risk losing the conflicts to vote. Thems the rules!
/s

 

[McLaren]

The party of law and order. Now waving Back the Blue signs at rallies. We turn to JD on his former thoughts.

"I love the body camera movement, and anything that puts cops back in the mindset of service and protection instead of control and coercion," Vance wrote to Nelson in 2014, the Times reported. "I hate the police. Given the number of negative experiences I've had in the past few years, I can't imagine what a black guy goes through."

JD Vance once said he hates the police and that Trump is a 'morally reprehensible human being,' emails show

JD Vance, Donald Trump's running mate, once said he hates police and called Trump a "morally reprehensible human," old emails obtained by NYT show.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[Tornado]

Nobody but hard core Republicans think voter fraud is an actual issue in the US. And even then, only when they lose.

And only when they aren't the ones getting caught doing it.

 

[Famine]

What ...?

Oh no, questions!?

 

[Yard_Sale]

This I would agree with, as well as stations open from the early morning to late at night.

Congratulations you just disenfranchised a massive swath of voters

See above, nope.

A solution awaiting a problem, voter fraud is categorically not an issue in the US, and certainly at anything close (and by significant orders of magnitude) to have impacted any election.

What you (and the right) are proposing would result in significantly fewer people who are eligible to vote to be able to do so while making no real difference to instances of voter fraud at all.

Electoral fraud in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Disenfranchised?

We did it this way for a very very long time. Hence why I said make it a 3 day weekend as one of my solutions. Shoot, I’d even say to make it a full week. Just all in-person


And maybe I should have clarified further before the predictable blitzkrieg commenced, that when speaking in terms of presidential races, I agree that any fraud that both sides partake in, don’t have much of a noticeable effect.

Local elections and propositions are typically much tighter. That’s what I care about.

As someone that’s voted absentee for almost 20 years now, I have never had a ballot kicked back because of a “signature discrepancy” until both 2020, and 2022. Do I think someone purposely kicked my ballot back because of the way I usually vote (at least in relationship to the majority of my fellow Californians)?

No.


But I think it’s more of an unforced error because of sheer volume of ballots poll workers have to open kinda thing.

What about military personnel that may be deployed very far away from a polling booth? For examples, military deployed to Germany or Japan? Or if you’re deployed to a different state than where you’re registered? Surely, you wouldn’t disenfranchise our own armed forces, would you?

Nope, they have to come back to the states and risk losing the conflicts to vote. Thems the rules!
/s

^

 

[MatskiMonk]

mandatory voting is one of the reasons why a two party system still has developed despite a preferential voting system as the people who don't actually care are being forced to vote and Labor and Liberal can market themselves as the only options

Two party systems evolve for many reasons, neither preferential voting nor mandatory voting exist to prevent it.

less voting is a message the system in general isn't working as the choices aren't good enough

You cannot attribute an opinion to the absence of a vote.

The number of Voters should be a message not a success/failure measure of voting

It's about having a strong mandate rather than success or failure. Nothing is more ******* infuriating to me as a voter than hearing politicians trying to push through their bull **** policies as the will of the people, when their mandate is only about 20% of the actual people. The fact people can't be trusted to vote responsibly is a shame, but again, that's an issue related to education and media coverage, rather than the voting system itself.

As far as I can tell Australia doesn't have a NOTA option on the ballot, which it absolutely should, if voting is mandatory... that would piss me off.

 

[Scaff]

Disenfranchised?

That's what I said.

We did it this way for a very very long time. Hence why I said make it a 3 day weekend as one of my solutions. Shoot, I’d even say to make it a full week. Just all in-person


And maybe I should have clarified further before the predictable blitzkrieg commenced, that when speaking in terms of presidential races, I agree that any fraud that both sides partake in, don’t have much of a noticeable effect.

Local elections and propositions are typically much tighter. That’s what I care about.

As someone that’s voted absentee for almost 20 years now, I have never had a ballot kicked back because of a “signature discrepancy” until both 2020, and 2022. Do I think someone purposely kicked my ballot back because of the way I usually vote (at least in relationship to the majority of my fellow Californians)?

No.


But I think it’s more of an unforced error because of sheer volume of ballots poll workers have to open kinda thing.


So any American living overseas who doesn't have what's classed as an essential job is now screwed!

As I said, it's a solution in need of a problem, and you've not shown anything to change that.

 

[Daniel]

If voter fraud is so rare in the first place, why go to all the effort to enact law and policy overhaul, spend potentially millions of extra dollars across the country to keep voting booths open for a much longer time, and disenfranchise thousands of voters who might not be able to vote in person for any number of reasons when early and absentee voting is largely fine?

 

[Joey D]

If voter fraud is so rare in the first place, why go to all the effort to change the laws, and spend potentially millions of extra dollars across the country to keep voting booths open longer when what's working now is fine?

If Republicans couldn't invent things to be pissy about, then they wouldn't ever have anything to be pissy about.

 

[Tornado]

If voter fraud is so rare in the first place, why go to all the effort to enact law and policy overhaul, spend potentially millions of extra dollars across the country to keep voting booths open for a much longer time, and disenfranchise thousands of voters who might not be able to vote in person for any number of reasons when early and absentee voting is largely fine?

Because the actual goal of the first half of the sentence is to accomplish the second half of the sentence; and "voter fraud" is a dogwhistle.

 

[Daniel]

If Republicans couldn't invent things to be pissy about, then they wouldn't ever have anything to be pissy about.

Because the actual goal of the first half of the sentence is to accomplish the second half of the sentence; and "voter fraud" is a dogwhistle.

Ahh silly me, I thought it was a both sides issue.

 

[Com Fox]

Two party systems evolve for many reasons, neither preferential voting nor mandatory voting exist to prevent it.

It's why I said one of the reasons.

Preferential Voting whole benefit is so you can vote for whoever you want so you don't feel like you have to vote for one of the major parties or the one you hate the most doesn't win. If America has it, it would be far easier to vote Third Party or Independent and then put a preference of Democrat over Republican so your vote will still count towards Democrat eventually if your options can't win so you didnt waste the vote. It isn't perfect as Australia is clearly an example of a poorly executed one, likely to voters not fully understanding how our system works with the two major parties corrupting their way to make it look they are the only choice and a Hung Parliment being seen as a bad thing. The fact voting is Mandatory so people with little to no interest have to vote only makes it contradictory to the benefit of preferential voting. (I wish we could out a lot of the turnout by making it optional)

It's about having a strong mandate rather than success or failure. Nothing is more ******* infuriating to me as a voter than hearing politicians trying to push through their bull **** policies as the will of the people, when their mandate is only about 20% of the actual people. The fact people can't be trusted to vote responsibly is a shame, but again, that's an issue related to education and media coverage, rather than the voting system itself.

As far as I can tell Australia doesn't have a NOTA option on the ballot, which it absolutely should, if voting is mandatory... that would piss me off.

I highly doubt the 80% that aren't willing to vote either wouldn't put effort in an educated vote if anything was done artifically increase the turnout or would but the after effect of the American system making it feel like Voting is irrelevant when not in a Swing state or if you want Third Party/Independant, which shows a problem with the system. I don't think fixing Media coverage can help the system like it would in preferential voting nations

Preferential Voting in Australia is literally meant to be designed so ballots aren't Labor or Liberal and can be anything without wasting it. Last election I voted for a much smaller party as my 1 preference and I think I put Labor as 5 and then Liberal in second last. The smaller party had no chance of winning a seat in my area (though there are benefits to 1 preference) so the preference went down until Labor, so I was still able to prevent Liberal from winning the seat but vote for the party I actually want. Its impossible to risk helping the major party you don't want the most by voting for neither major parties

 

[Keef]

Nikki Haley Scolds Republicans Over Kamala Harris 'DEI' Attacks

"The American people are smarter than that," said the former South Carolina governor of talk surrounding the vice president.

www.huffpost.com

Republicans are going to listen...right....right?

MAGA Enters Racist Meltdown Mode Over J.D. Vance’s Wife

The far right is absolutely losing it over Usha Vance.

newrepublic.com

Conservative women turn on JD Vance for attacking "childless" Democrats

Donald Trump's running mate called Dems "childless cat ladies who are miserable at their own lives" in a 2021 Fox News interview.

www.newsweek.com

It's on brand for him @TB. Hates gays, gets caught livestreaming gay porn (and blamed the IDF for hacking him ).

I've got a friend who discovered that she partied with him at WVU back in the day. A racially diverse group as you'd expect at a university - my friend is Kurdish. Not sure how he ended up at WVU but she's got pictures of literally being in the same group and doesn't remember him being insufferable or offensive. Something changed.

The fact that his practicing Hindu wife allows him to do and say we he does blows my mind. It's gotta be an act, or she married him to try to get herself into the White House, or he's got the biggest unit on earth, or they're both mentally ill. I can't figure it out.

Well congrats, Vance has a chance to make history.

Palin came in at +26 in 2008 for comparison.

But damn, who could have seen this coming.

JD Vance breaks polling records in the worst way

Vance is facing record-low approval ratings among vice-presidential nominees on the heels of the Republican National Convention.

www.businessinsider.com

The same ticket as DeWine and was way behind. Guy barely has any business being in the Senate, zero business as VP. He was only picked b/c they thought the election was wrapped up. He does not counter anyone, esp. Shapiro who polls well with Trump voters in Pennsylvania.

I still don't entirely understand how he won Ohio so handily but I do know that conservatives came out in droves to vote for this asshole. He actually won Ohio by a bigger margin than Trump did, and Vance was running against an already-established congressman in Tim Ryan. Conservatives showed up, liberals apparently did not.

All voting in-person except for essential services. More voter turnout.

In order to achieve these two things at the same time, we're going to need to institute a federal public voter transportation system on election day(s) because there are many citizens who are unable to travel on their own to vote for countless reasons, some of whom have been rendered in that position by our own government and the atrocities it has committed over the past several hundred years. Because this system must be public with the purpose of protecting all citizens' right to vote, it must ensure it is offered - in person as you suggest - to each citizen in the entire country, basically requiring their personal confirmation on whether they'd like to use the service or not. The bus(es) - tens of thousands of them - must go door to door, including driving down every long "no trespassing" driveway in the Rocky Mountains which will be covered with a foot of snow because election day is in November. Many remote villages in Alaska can only be reached by plane or boat and the weather on election day cannot be guaranteed, so it could take some time to gather those votes after election day is already passed.

Or we could just ****ing mail it since the mail already guarantees all of that via Article 1 Section 8 of the constitution. If you can read I'd suggest checking that out. Wild new ideas.

 

[Blitz24]

Or we could just ****ing mail it since the mail already guarantees all of that via Article 1 Section 8 of the constitution. If you can read I'd suggest checking that out. Wild new ideas.

From the same party who doesn't understand the 1st or 2nd amendment, we bring you the party who doesn't understand the constitution either!

 

[McLaren]

I've got a friend who discovered that she partied with him at WVU back in the day. A racially diverse group as you'd expect at a university - my friend is Kurdish. Not sure how he ended up at WVU but she's got pictures of literally being in the same group and doesn't remember him being insufferable or offensive. Something changed.

The fact that his practicing Hindu wife allows him to do and say we he does blows my mind. It's gotta be an act, or she married him to try to get herself into the White House, or he's got the biggest unit on earth, or they're both mentally ill. I can't figure it out.

Wait, are we still talking about Vance or Nick in your first paragraph?

I still don't entirely understand how he won Ohio so handily but I do know that conservatives came out in droves to vote for this asshole. He actually won Ohio by a bigger margin than Trump did, and Vance was running against an already-established congressman in Tim Ryan. Conservatives showed up, liberals apparently did not.

Did he? CNN was sharing he performed worse.