2024 US Presidential Election Thread

[BWX]

It's the economy, stupid.

It's always the economy.

 

[Danoff]

There has to be some awareness around the nature of this support and where it's rooted, though. What we're not doing is taking into account the absolute deluge of BS that most of the electorate has been fed. Step into the Fox/OAN/NewsMax echo chamber (amongst a bazillion others) for a couple years and let me know if your original ideals are still intact.

Point being, I'd be willing to bet that 50% or more of the people that voted for Trump have no clue WHO they actually voted for. They know a candidate through the conservative media lens via hyper-curated messaging. If you live in that space and that space alone, and believe all you are told, what other outcome will there ever be?

This country has been handily undercut with one simple tactic: Lies

Trump's own motto goes something like "The truth doesn't matter, what you keep saying does." Until we tackle the lies, this division will continue along with the horrible backslide into authoritarianism it fosters.

Yes, that's all true. But there is no way to tackle the lies now. The lies will only become more uniform and state-sponsored. Look at Russia to see the future of the lies.

 

[Scaff]

I'm not Putin and I don't see any cons.

Even if I were Ukrainian, I still wouldn't see any cons here.

The war would stop, a lot of people would be alive and Ukraine would keep the land it lost since the "day Z" if the peace deal of March 2022 was accepted. Russia and Ukraine were almost ready to settle it in Istanbul but then your "peacekeeper" Boris Johnson urged Ukraine to fight until the last man. Which is why their men are still being forcibly grabbed from the streets to fight. On Ukrainian Telegram (and other social media) chats you can now see plenty of comments like "we should have ****ing settled it in March '22!".

Now, back to topic, I seriously doubt Trump will "end the war in 24 hours" like he promised and he definetly won't give up Ukraine to Russia. If he pushes on Zelensky to agree for negotiations with Russia, we'd be pleased, but if I were Putin I wouldn't rely too much on it. It's not like those hypothetical negotiations are guaranteed to be successful or that Trump is sure to even shrink the aid to Kiev.

After all, the US didn't stop arming Ukraine during Trump's first term.

Given the revisionist nature of pretty much your entire post history I'm fairly sure this will age about as well as your claim Russia wasn't going to invade.

 

[FuriousDemon]

Yes, that's all true. But there is no way to tackle the lies now. The lies will only become more uniform and state-sponsored. Look at Russia to see the future of the lies.

Yeah. I mean, media is already owned by billionaires, Fox News was already the most popular "news" channel. It's only going to get worse from here on out.
Just look at how Trump was normalized by the non-alt-right wing media in this election and you can see how it's going to go from here on out.

 

[TexRex]

Look what happened to the Trumpers on this board.

lol. lmao.

Oh no, the Trumpsucking vermin what would respond to criticism of their bronzer daddy with personal attacks utilizing pejoratives spoon-fed to them, such as "TDS" and "NPC" (and the irony of the latter should be lost on no one), felt like they weren't welcome and noped out.

 

[Scaff]

Yeah. I mean, media is already owned by billionaires, Fox News was already the most popular "news" channel. It's only going to get worse from here on out.
Just look at how Trump was normalized by the non-alt-right wing media in this election and you can see how it's going to go from here on out.

At least Huff Post is still refusing to capitulate.

 

[Danoff]

At least Huff Post is still refusing to capitulate.

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It won't last.

When Trump pardons the January 6th group, the mob will understand that pardons for lawlessness on his behalf are up for grabs. The death threats and violence against organizations like the huffington post and others will follow. The path to silence criticism in this country is laid out, it's just a matter of time really.

Nothing gets Trump to threaten you with death or the mob faster than showing him in a less than favorable light.

 

[FuriousDemon]

I mean, death threats are there already and have been normalized. Now, actual execution of those threats is on the table, if he pardons J6.

 

[Blitz24]

I'd ask if any of the Republicans would be willing to defy their party to protect the country, but I think it is more likely that Putin asks for a peace deal and surrenders Crimea than that happening.

 

[WolfpackS2k]

The shift data is enough evidence for me that we can stop labelling and considering the Republican party as merely conservative but use other terms like populist for sure, nationalist, authoritarian, I wouldn't necessarily call the Party fascist but Trump himself insinuates an awful lot. They'll probably be in control of every branch now which will make it incredibly easy for Republicans to go full fascist almost immediately, and it's trending that way quickly.

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The party needs a new description, a new definition. Democrats need to hit the history books to find out how to counter a real fascist party. I think decades from now we're going to read in history books that these past 8 years wasn't merely a back-and-forth or a speed bump for the Republican party, it was a definitive moment where it officially became a fascist party. People who don't believe that 1930s Germany can happen again just haven't wrapped their heads around the fact that many Germans at the time had no idea what the implications were. They had no clue. They ****ing found out. Knowing your history means that you can make better decisions before you ever find out how bad the bad decisions were.

The delusion in this post, and last few pages of belly aching, is just amazing. Epic tantrums.

 

[Danoff]

The delusion in this post, and last few pages of belly aching, is just amazing. Epic tantrums.

Someone hasn't been paying attention.

 

[Famine]

At least Huff Post is still refusing to capitulate.

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[Keef]

The delusion in this post, and last few pages of belly aching, is just amazing. Epic tantrums.

We're not having tantrums, we're having a discussion about what could happen when Republicans lead all three branches of government.

Fortunately Trump's voters don't have to care about informed discussion because if there's one thing Trump has cared deeply about his entire career, and worked tirelessly to lift up, it's poor white people. So I think they should all be doing just fine within a couple years. If they're not doing fine, I will be very disappointed and will wonder why they didn't simply work harder.

There has to be some awareness around the nature of this support and where it's rooted, though. What we're not doing is taking into account the absolute deluge of BS that most of the electorate has been fed. Step into the Fox/OAN/NewsMax echo chamber (amongst a bazillion others) for a couple years and let me know if your original ideals are still intact.

Point being, I'd be willing to bet that 50% or more of the people that voted for Trump have no clue WHO they actually voted for. They know a candidate through the conservative media lens via hyper-curated messaging. If you live in that space and that space alone, and believe all you are told, what other outcome will there ever be?

This country has been handily undercut with one simple tactic: Lies

Trump's own motto goes something like "The truth doesn't matter, what you keep saying does." Until we tackle the lies, this division will continue along with the horrible backslide into authoritarianism it fosters.

To be fair, all of us tend to stick to our bubbles so we're all victim to propaganda. Some is worse than others but it exists everywhere and none of us are immune. That said, the educational gap between the voters of these two parties is vast, and Republican voters are much less likely to be able to read between the lines of Trump's cryptic statements. And because these people don't know their history either, they can't take those cryptic messages and compare them to historical events. Because they have no basis for comparison, they never recognize the slide downward.

So even if you told them 100% true facts they would simply refuse to believe and understand it because they lack baseline knowledge. The lies aren't meant to deceive, they're meant to mold. They create a brand new twisted historical narrative where one never existed in the first place.

 

[Meythia]

Knowing your history means that you can make better decisions before you ever find out how bad the bad decisions were.

Presumably that is correct, though having a look at our eastern regions I have a feeling I have to "look who is back" again.
There simply is no end to anger and stupidity, and both manifests into each other while at the same time amplifying the other.

 

[Nielsen]

It’s ironic how Harris often appeals to the demographics of the population having academic degrees, because the post-election reactions of her supporters generally seem devoid of independent thought. They’re pretty much all saying the same thing and how they’re “scared”. Brainwashed much? On the other hand, Trump supporters often articulate their concerns with high degrees of nuance, individualism and authenticity.

Days like this one are probably the first time I've ever legitimately been ashamed to be American.

More ashamed than when the current president falls repeatedly, cannot form sentences and sucks on a toddler’s foot?

 

[Famine]

Trump supporters often articulate

 

[FuriousDemon]

It’s ironic how Harris often appeals to the demographics of the population having academic degrees, because the post-election reactions of her supporters generally seem devoid of independent thought. They’re pretty much all saying the same thing and how they’re “scared”. Brainwashed much? On the other hand, Trump supporters often articulate their concerns with high degrees of nuance, individualism and authenticity.

Ha, we’ve got a comedian on our hands. I actually literally spit the water I was drinking.

 

[Joey D]

It’s ironic how Harris often appeals to the demographics of the population having academic degrees, because the post-election reactions of her supporters generally seem devoid of independent thought. They’re pretty much all saying the same thing and how they’re “scared”. Brainwashed much? On the other hand, Trump supporters often articulate their concerns with high degrees of nuance, individualism and authenticity.

I haven't seen many Trump supporter articulate their concerns well at all. They pretty much scream about migrants without understanding anything about the immigration process or how much migrant workers contribute to keeping food prices in check. They scream about having stuff made in America without any understanding of how tariffs will cause inflation or how globalization works. They also all scream about free speech with exactly zero understanding of what that means. While I agree that several Harris supporters are driven by fear, almost every Trump supporter is driven by fear, too. The fear of migrants, the fear of transgender, the fear of pronouns, the fear of consequences for your actions, they fear whatever they're told to fear by their media outlet of choice.

 

[Keef]

It’s ironic how Harris often appeals to the demographics of the population having academic degrees, because the post-election reactions of her supporters generally seem devoid of independent thought. They’re pretty much all saying the same thing and how they’re “scared”. Brainwashed much? On the other hand, Trump supporters often articulate their concerns with high degrees of nuance, individualism and authenticity.


More ashamed than when the current president falls repeatedly, cannot form sentences and sucks on a toddler’s foot?

Wait...did he just ******** a bull****ter? Did he just swindle a swindler? Damn, I thought that was some of the finest sarcasm I've read in ages.

 

[mellofello9]

Yes, that's all true. But there is no way to tackle the lies now. The lies will only become more uniform and state-sponsored. Look at Russia to see the future of the lies.

Won't disagree. That said, won't give-up, either.😁

If it has to come from the ground-up because government is too far gone, who's gonna put that into action? If we've all thrown our hands up and quit, caving to what seems an inevitability before it can even be proven as one, what does that say of us?

Before someone goes full snark and says the election said all that need be said, hear me out. Simply saying that "a majority of Americans support Trump" over simplifies the problem and, I feel, is completely inaccurate. Yes, people willingly voted for Trump, but did they truly KNOW who Trump is? Or, was their vote simply cast on the facade they were presented? You can't say it doesn't matter because it completely changes the narrative. If people genuinely knew Trump and voted for him anyway, sure, we suck overall, and per the majority voice. If they DIDN'T, though, there's still a chance...and I simply do not know how anyone living in the conservative ecosystem would get a clear, concise message on exactly who DJT is because it never seemed to be on offer.

Why/How is it permissible to sandblast an entire electorate with ******** until they're one smooth, voiceless chunk of humans 80M strong? That's a problem.

Case in point:

SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE VOTED!!!

 

[Jezza819]

On the other hand, Trump supporters often articulate their concerns with high degrees of nuance, individualism and authenticity.

What are their concerns? Because I don't think they even know.

 

[Blitz24]

What are their concerns? Because even they don't know.

Something something immigrants, something something inflation, something something Jews.

 

[FuriousDemon]

Won't disagree. That said, won't give-up, either.😁

If it has to come from the ground-up because government is too far gone, who's gonna put that into action? If we've all thrown our hands up and quit, caving to what seems an inevitability before it can even be proven as one, what does that say of us?

Before someone goes full snark and says the election said all that need be said, hear me out. Simply saying that "a majority of Americans support Trump" over simplifies the problem and, I feel, is completely inaccurate. Yes, people willingly voted for Trump, but did they truly KNOW who Trump is? Or, was their vote simply cast on the facade they were presented? You can't say it doesn't matter because it completely changes the narrative. If people genuinely knew Trump and voted for him anyway, sure, we suck overall, and per the majority voice. If they DIDN'T, though, there's still a chance...and I simply do not know how anyone living in the conservative ecosystem would get a clear, concise message on exactly who DJT is because it never seemed to be on offer.

Why/How is it permissible to sandblast an entire electorate with ******** until they're one smooth, voiceless chunk of humans 80M strong? That's a problem.

Case in point:
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SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE VOTED!!!

This was the case in 2016, they maybe didn’t know. By 2024 they know exactly who they are voting for.

 

[sw3g005]

Harris ran a solid campaign on a fairly unimpeachable platform. Trump fellated a microphone, lied, and threatened fellow American citizens. Harris campaigned on help and prosperity, Trump campaigned on retribution and RFK running the CDC. You want to blame someone? Blame the people who voted for Trump.
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There is no world in which Trump is an appropriate choice, none. Harris could have done so much worse and it would make no difference to the situation. Trump was, and is, unacceptable, and the people who voted for him should be permanently ashamed.

Thing is though, you can't always blame the voters, not when people are unconvinced of your campaign, when people are disappointed in your party and when the other campaign is heavily financed by billionaires and thus is highly capably to mislead and brainwash people. I agree that Trump should never again have been president, but the Democrats hasn't done very much to stop him or his party have they? They couldn't stop Roe v. Wade from getting teared up. They couldn't stop various "education laws" and anti-lgbt laws from being passed in various states. But they sure as hell can tell people that those things are wrong and that's why you should vote for them regardless of what they've actually done about it!

The Democrats have the exact same issue as most leading "left-leaning" (not that the Democrats are particularly left but anyway) parties around the globe, whether it be Labour or other Social Democrat parties like the one in my country, and that's the fact that they rely faaar to much on not being the "bad guys", while having no real policy on their own or even willpower to do anything about the "bad guys" and their actions, and then playing the blame game when they predicatbly don't get elected. I'll admit, I don't know if parties or party politicians always do the last part, but I do know that atleast some of their voters has a tendency to go down that route - yourself included. I'm sorry but it needs to be said. In any case, such behaviour certainly doesn't help when you're trying to battle bad faith actors, by attacking people who may not even necessarily be bad people at heart (as I've said before, genuniely bad people generally constitute such a small minority they'd never get anything done on their own), just that they're ignorant and have had their ignorance taken advantage of.

TLDR: It is so, so easy to blame people voting for the wrong party and call them all kinds of descriptors. Chances are though, it may not represent reality. What the reality is, is that the Republicans and their associates are doing a damn fine job at attracting voters, and the Democrats and their associates didn't do enough. Simple as, end of story. I loathe the Republicans as much as you do. But I'm not so tonedeaf as to think that the Democratic campaign was "infalliable". It might have looked that way to you, I don't know. But with these results at hand, one could atleast admit that the Democrats did a gamble and it didn't pay off.

TLDRTLDR: I'm getting pretty ******* pissed at this kinda attitude, especially given how unproductive it is and always has been in the political world. If I'm sounding like a piece of work, I apologize, I just felt like I needed to say it.

 

[Dave A]

I think the whole campaign was mismanaged from the moment they refused to be open and honest about Bidens state of mind and Harris being shoved in as the candidate was done too late. Trump winning does not surprise me one bit, it saddens me that a man like him can be elected, then re-elected, he isn't a good leader. But Harris wasn't a strong enough candidate, and by the time she was hastily put in place and Biden stood down, there wasn't enough time to build a solid enough campaign around a strong enough candidate IMO. There had to be better people to run than those two.

But the question remains, now Trump has won, who will really he called NG the shots. The toupee?

 

[Nielsen]

What are their concerns? Because even they don't know.

The government spending tons of money on things that do not benefit the American people in the slightest.

 

[Danoff]

You can't say it doesn't matter because it completely changes the narrative. If people genuinely knew Trump and voted for him anyway, sure, we suck overall, and per the majority voice. If they DIDN'T, though, there's still a chance...and I simply do not know how anyone living in the conservative ecosystem would get a clear, concise message on exactly who DJT is because it never seemed to be on offer.

...and they're not going to. If they don't know who he is now, they won't know later either. Just look at Russia, again. You can see a population that deludes themselves into what they want to believe. This is already the case with Trump voters here in the US, and it will continue to be the case.

It also just fundamentally doesn't matter any more what the American people think.

But Harris wasn't a strong enough candidate, and by the time she was hastily put in place and Biden stood down, there wasn't enough time to build a solid enough campaign around a strong enough candidate IMO.

Total nonsense. Harris was a very strong candidate, and had enough time to make her case. There is no excuse for Trump winning, none. Harris is not to blame for this. The American people voted for a complete and utter scumbag. That's the problem.

Harris did a insanely good job. We elected the absolute train wreck anyway. Time to reflect.

 

[DK]

Ever heard of negotiations? It is possible with Trump, because he doesn’t subscribe to the authoritarian idea that the United States should police the whole world.

Yes, I've heard of them.

 

[BWX]

Gen X has had enough of the BS, that's what happened.
Insult them all you want, they really don't give a bleep.
They'd rather be left alone and be able to afford groceries and rent or a house.

There was push back on socialism, globalism, social issues, open borders, etc.., but it's mainly about the economy.
Open borders was the next biggest concern. If liberal democrats don't understand that, they're doomed to repeat their mistakes in the future.

Demonizing half the country isn't a successful strategy.

 

[Famine]

Harris did a insanely good job.

Record number of votes for a woman.

It seems subjugation of women is just more of a draw than electing one.