2024 US Presidential Election Thread

[Duke]

Yea or stay home. That was my point.

Do you really see her gender as a significant issue?

[edit] A significant issue among Democrat voters, I mean.

 

[Danoff]

Do you really see her gender as a significant issue?

I think gender may have played a role with reduced turnout. Is that significant? In the outcome.

Generally gender was heavily divided in this election. And Trump was basically elected for being an asshole strongman. Seems hard to say it's not significant.

 

[Biggles]

So, Tulsi Gabbard as Director of National Intelligence. Can we expect to see a pact between Russia and Trump's America, leading to the invasion and partition of Poland, Finland and (of course) Ukraine?

 

[Dave A]

So, Tulsi Gabbard as Director of National Intelligence. Can we expect to see a pact between Russia and Trump's America, leading to the invasion and partition of Poland, Finland and (of course) Ukraine?

Finland and Poland, categorically no chance Russia step foot in either of those without staring WW3.

 

[Savolainen83]

Finland and Poland, categorically no chance Russia step foot in either of those without staring WW3.

 

[Blitz24]

So what does Gaetz resigning from Congress do for his AG appointment?

 

[CTznOfTime]

Whether he gets the AG position or not, someone is pulling the strings to help Gaetz Avoid being convicted....

So what does Gaetz resigning from Congress do for his AG appointment?

Daddy trump protecting all the goons with brown orange noses.

 

[Imari]

He's going to install a loyalist, at least he can install an incompetent loyalist.

This is about the best that can be hoped for. Trump is in a position where if he had competent people in the roles around him and they all agreed on what they wanted to get done, they could achieve some truly terrifying things.

There's a good chance that they all trip over their own schlongers in greed though.

Finland and Poland, categorically no chance Russia step foot in either of those without staring WW3.

Right, but I don't think WW3 is off the cards here for anybody. There's a bunch of world leaders that seem almost eager to start WW3. And for some reason they all seem pretty buddy buddy with each other.

 

[Scaff]

This is about the best that can be hoped for. Trump is in a position where if he had competent people in the roles around him and they all agreed on what they wanted to get done, they could achieve some truly terrifying things.

There's a good chance that they all trip over their own schlongers in greed though.

I wish I could be so confident, this time around he has a lot of well-organised and well-funded people behind him (not in cabinet positions - they would never sully themselves with that) with very, very detailed plans of what they want done, and the agenda they want seems to be bubbling to the surface. All of which is formed well before Jan, back before (and well into) his first term the regime was an uncoordinated, directionless mess, this time is very, very different.

Trump's ego is the biggest blocker to that rather than cabinet incompetence (they can be replaced), and should Trump's mental incapacity finally, fully catch-up with him, we get Vance, and then we are all well and truly screwed.

 

[Meythia]

we get Vance, and then we are all well and truly screwed.

 

[Dave A]

Right, but I don't think WW3 is off the cards here for anybody. There's a bunch of world leaders that seem almost eager to start WW3. And for some reason they all seem pretty buddy buddy with each other.

I agree that WW3 is possible, but I don't see a scenario where the US teams up with Russia in opposition to NATO which was what would happen should the post I responded to come true.

 

[Scaff]

It's a shame Hunter S Thompson has passed away, he would have a field day with this.

 

[Kriptical]

Definitely feels as if we are on the star trek timeline. Maybe a couple years behind.

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4990414-tommy-tuberville-warns-republicans-donald-trump-agenda/

Timmy has a message for the Republicans who want to vote against nominations.

 

[Blitz24]

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4990414-tommy-tuberville-warns-republicans-donald-trump-agenda/

Timmy has a message for the Republicans who want to vote against nominations.

Swamp creature tries to defend himself in adding to the swamp.

 

[UKMikey]

Definitely feels as if we are on the star trek timeline. Maybe a couple years behind.

How did they end up fixing the environment problem? Was it because there were a lot fewer people around after the war or did friendly aliens come in and teach them how to fix everything?

 

[Danoff]

I'm not sure I'm opposed to Gaetz. Ok hold on, hear me out.

The reason we're in this mess is because people weren't paying attention. We're not going to get out of it until they are. That means that the Trump admin necessarily must be painful. It has to be painful enough that people need to wake up to the idea that there are more important things than cheeseburgers that cost $2 less. Until they can make that choice, there is no hope. So before anything gets better, it needs to get a whole lot worse. And a whole lot worse is Matt Gaetz.

Yes people are going to get hurt. Justice will not be done. Innocent people will suffer. That is baked in to our future.

 

[TheCracker]

So, Tulsi Gabbard as Director of National Intelligence. Can we expect to see a pact between Russia and Trump's America, leading to the invasion and partition of Poland, Finland and (of course) Ukraine?

I don't see a pact between Russia and Magamerica, not in any official capacity, but Trump could play hardball threatening to defund or pull out of NATO, as he has done in the past, until he gets his* way. America pulling out of NATO would essentially mean the end of NATO as we know it. Even if the other members quickly create a new alternative pact, it would create an oppotunity for Putin to further push his expansion plans during the chaos it would bring.

*his way meaning whatever Daddy Vlad wants him to do.

 

[McLaren]

I'm not sure I'm opposed to Gaetz. Ok hold on, hear me out.

The reason we're in this mess is because people weren't paying attention. We're not going to get out of it until they are. That means that the Trump admin necessarily must be painful. It has to be painful enough that people need to wake up to the idea that there are more important things than cheeseburgers that cost $2 less. Until they can make that choice, there is no hope. So before anything gets better, it needs to get a whole lot worse. And a whole lot worse is Matt Gaetz.

Yes people are going to get hurt. Justice will not be done. Innocent people will suffer. That is baked in to our future.

You might want to hang out in the LeopardsAteMyFace subreddit, then. Going to be the best area on Reddit for the next year or so.

 

[Danoff]

You might want to hang out in the LeopardsAteMyFace subreddit, then. Going to be the best area on Reddit for the next year or so.

Another point on the Gaetz thing...

Would I be sad for congress to have their time taken up impeaching and removing Gaetz when he breaks rampantly breaks the law and pisses off the public? No, that sounds exactly like the kind of thing a Trump congress should be working on. Everything and anything that distracts from actual legislation is good.

 

[MatskiMonk]

So before anything gets better, it needs to get a whole lot worse.

I've been thinking the same thing for a while...

I'm just wondering if perhaps it needs to get worse before it can get better.

The question is, how bad does it need to get. Your idea of bad in some respects, will be music to other peoples ears... I'd say it's probably only really the economy that is universal - you need that to bite everyone HARD - like undeniably hard... if Trump doesn't actually totally **** that up, things may get terrible to normal people with morals and ethics, but not be bad enough to change the minds of Trump voters.

 

[Danoff]

I've been thinking the same thing for a while...

The question is, how bad does it need to get. Your idea of bad in some respects, will be music to other peoples ears... I'd say it's probably only really the economy that is universal - you need that to bite everyone HARD - like undeniably hard... if Trump doesn't actually totally **** that up, things may get terrible to normal people with morals and ethics, but not be bad enough to change the minds of Trump voters.

Yea, I think you're right about the economy.

In terms of how bad does it need to get, the pandemic was barely bad enough. So lots of people dying and a devastated economy is like... the minimum it seems. I think that whatever camps get set up to house the deported people that we can't figure out where to send will generate some horrific human rights abuses. And that kind of thing could finally make it home to some people.

I wonder if their opinions ever get to matter though.

 

[FuriousDemon]

Yeah, seems like economy getting way worse is the only difference maker. Still, it will be a hard battle, since most maga will assume it’s somehow Biden’s fault. Also, it would have to get ugly, like 2008, which is scary, but I think the signs are there, if we assume republicans do what they said they will do, that we may be headed to another Great Recession.

 

[MatskiMonk]

I think that whatever camps get set up to house the deported people that we can't figure out where to send will generate some horrific human rights abuses. And that kind of thing could finally make it home to some people.

I genuinely don't. Migrants are a significant issue in the UK, and relatively normal people are all good advocating burning them alive, I don't see the USA being much better in that respect. It's got to be something that affects the electorate directly, not something that's filtered through the news media first.

The things that would piss off the Trump electorate are the things he's not going to do. Bad, for Republicans, is UK style gun laws, it's UK style healthcare, its European style ideas of mass transit and urban planning.... Trump's not going to do any of that. I'm not even sure that criminalising homosexuality, reintroducing racial segregation, and reversing women's suffrage would move the needle for most Trump voters.

Also, it would have to get ugly, like 2008

It would have to be uglier. As has been discussed elsewhere, 2008 is long ago enough that people will view it through rose tinted glasses, and not think of it as being that bad, since, 'we're all still here, right'. It needs to be worse.

 

[Danoff]

I genuinely don't. Migrants are a significant issue in the UK, and relatively normal people are all good advocating burning them alive, I don't see the USA being much better in that respect. It's got to be something that affects the electorate directly, not something that's filtered through the news media first.

The abortion bans are hitting hard enough in some states that they're making a difference in the way people think. Even Texas is pushing back. Also in a lot of southern states there are people who either know or work with people who are here illegally. They might pay attention to what happens to those people.

I'm not sure that it will ever turn the most die hard Trump supporters against him. My dad, for example, won't turn, no matter what. He could be on his death bed because Trump killed him and he'd be like "Let's go Brandon!" He moved to middle of nowhere Texas to farm.... dirt I presume... having no farming experience (slightly better than Clarkson). He's isolated, he's poor, he's trying to avoid all of civilization and consumes nothing but filtered media. There is no way to reach him at all. He was drinking snow melt out of a bathtub in texas during the power outages (prior to moving to the farm) and complaining about wind power instead of anything substantive to the power outage.

It got bad for him. No power, no water. Didn't work.

It would have to be uglier. As has been discussed elsewhere, 2008 is long ago enough that people will view it through rose tinted glasses, and not think of it as being that bad, since, 'we're all still here, right'. It needs to be worse.

I agree that the economic disaster has to be worse than 2008. However, people make bad choices when they get desperate. They don't suddenly start making good ones. So I'm still not sure it gets us where we want to be. I'm not sure anything gets us where we want to be though.

For what it's worth, I'm not heavily invested in US stocks at the moment.

 

[FuriousDemon]

I'm not sure how much worse than the worst recession of our lifetimes can get, but if it's worse then that, then we're all going to be out on the street, unless you have 1.5-2 years worth of living expenses saved up.

 

[Duke]

I think that whatever camps get set up to house the deported people that we can't figure out where to send will generate some horrific human rights abuses. And that kind of thing could finally make it home to some people.

Those ain't 'Muricans, though. They shouldna bin here in the first place. Ain't gonna make no difference.

 

[Scaff]

Those ain't 'Muricans, though. They shouldna bin here in the first place. Ain't gonna make no difference.

Exactly, and it's why language that 'others' and dehumanises target groups is a feature, not a bug.

Once the 'in group' see's those being targeted as less than human, it becomes easy for them to accept the unacceptable.

An unfortunate downside to absolute free speech, which is why Poppers Paradox of Intolerance is so important.