24 Heures du Mans 2011 - 79th Grand Prix d'Endurance - June 11-12

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Looking at the footage I dont think the Audi actually touched the Ferrari. The Ferrari didnt move off of its line as if it got hit it just stayed on its path.
Rocky seems to have lost it on the grass rather than hitting the Ferrari
 
From Gulf AMR on facebook:
"Broken splitter needed changing and 2 stops needed to sort it. Hoppy suffered damaged hand in the melee - he's having an x-ray in the medical centre to check it but doc doesn't think anything's broken." I think hoppy is a pit mechanic
 
DC9990
Looking at the footage I dont think the Audi actually touched the Ferrari. The Ferrari didnt move off of its line as if it got hit it just stayed on its path.
Rocky seems to have lost it on the grass rather than hitting the Ferrari
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it did touch. check pug onboard. you could even hear the little impact. it wasn't was caused the spi. though.

Audi driver miss judged where the turn was is my explanation.
and got surprised when it was to late, tried to cut the grass some but lost it.
 
SuperShouden
Yeah, but they were Audis, not Mercs...I wouldn't expect to see Mercedes back at LeMans for a while...maybe next year...or 2013.
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I meant more all-round safety, in the '55 crash there were just hay bales by the side of the track leading up to the main straight, no armcos at all, and how well the survival cells of the cars work these days
 
hampus_dh
ok thanks guys. was overall i ment.
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Close to if not just over the 400 kmh mark during the eighties. Still with the chicanes during the nineties they hit very high top speeds. The Toyota TS020 racer posted the highest top speed in 1999 at 351.9 kmh. This year the highest top speed posted by a Peugeot was 342.4 kmh to be precise. Last year's highest posted top speed was 345.6 kmh, also by a Peugeot.
 
hampus_dh
it did touch. check pug onboard. you could even hear the little impact. it wasn't was caused the spi. though.

Audi driver miss judged where the turn was is my explanation.
and got surprised when it was to late, tried to cut the grass some but lost it.
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It's not so much that Mike Rockenfeller (who's an experienced Le Mans racer including winning it last year) misjudging the turn and where the Ferrari was on the track but rather the fact that the driver of the Ferrari who shoul've stayed on the left side of the track (and on the other side of the line) decided that he has the right to swing close to the apex. While that's a racing move, but in this situation when you see an LMP1 car (because he could clearly see from the Audi large headlights), you stay where you and err on the side of caution.
 
I'm going to try stay up for a few more hours... gonna switch the old laptop off in 45 min. Who else is staying up?
 
The Ferrari was doing as it was told, hold your racing line. That is the racing line thru that kink and the Audi driver took a chance to pass that wasn't there. Its simply an over aggressive driver error not the Ferrari moving over. If you look at how bright those P1 headlights are all the Ferrari driver would see in his mirrors is blinding light so would not know what side of the track the Audi would try and pass on and reverted to what he was told to do, hold his line.
 
hampus_dh
it did touch. check pug onboard. you could even hear the little impact. it wasn't was caused the spi. though.

Audi driver miss judged where the turn was is my explanation.
and got surprised when it was to late, tried to cut the grass some but lost it.
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There wasn't a impact. Watch the replays from both on-board and the brief outside view of the crash. The Audi made a avoidance move around the Ferrari as it moved out it touched the grass then span.

On the outside view in particular you can see the was actually past the Ferrari when he began to spin.
 
Must´ve watched that crash atleast a dozen times now, and I really can´t say there was any contact between the two.
 
MrMulsanne
I'm going to try stay up for a few more hours... gonna switch the old laptop off in 45 min. Who else is staying up?
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Me if Audi decides to continue. If not, then I'll sleep and see the race finish tomorrow.

By the way, anyone else feels flashbacks of Steve McQueen's movie when he crashes his Gulf Porsche 917K due to contact with a GT car? :lol:.

Mt. Lynx
Must´ve watched that crash atleast a dozen times now, and I really can´t say there was any contact between the two.
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No contact in my opinion either, but I insist in thinking the Ferrari "closed the gate" as said by Dr. Ullrich. However, watching the crash again we should be thankful the Audi didn't T-boned the Ferrari and sent to the armco.

Eurosport also confirms one of my earlier and most hilarious thoughts: Safety cars runing out of fuel!!! Lolz! :lol:
 
Mt. Lynx
Must´ve watched that crash atleast a dozen times now, and I really can´t say there was any contact between the two.
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Agreed. Must say though the Ferrari probably just didn't move out of the way properly, but then this is night racing we're talking about.
 
CarBastard
Me if Audi decides to continue. If not, then I'll sleep and see the race finish tomorrow.
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Explain to me why Audi would take out the No.2 car thats currently leading because 2 other drivers have made stupid mistakes? They've now got the resources of 3 teams to make sure 1 car runs like clockwork....
 
mykem
It's not so much that Mike Rockenfeller (who's an experienced Le Mans racer including winning it last year) misjudging the turn and where the Ferrari was on the track but rather the fact that the driver of the Ferrari who shoul've stayed on the left side of the track (and on the other side of the line) decided that he has the right to swing close to the apex. While that's a racing move, but in this situation when you see an LMP1 car (because he could clearly see from the Audi large headlights), you stay where you and err on the side of caution.
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keep in mind it's a gt car. full thottle and probably only can take the corner in that speed if it cuts the corner as it should.

the p1's have very fast closing distances and this time it was to ambitious. you have to consider how close the ferrari was to the corner.
it's not his job to let of the gas and let the p1 pass. it doesn't work like that. ferrari took the corner in the only way possible if he doesn't want to end up in the armco himself.

audi was going for a space that never existed.
 
I don't see why people are going on about Audi pulling out. These aren't mechanical failures and the drivers are alive.

Definitely no contact between Rocky and the Fezza.
 
Enjoying it so far :-)

But that crash was awful. But IMO you can't blame the Ferrari driver; I don't actually think there was any contact... But the good news is that Rocky is not badly injured :-)

Come on Lucas :D


Do you think I should watch it? Don't have school tomorrow (weekend obviously) and enjoying it so far... But it's on late!
 
C-ZETA
Agreed. Must say though the Ferrari probably just didn't move out of the way properly, but then this is night racing we're talking about.
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He´s not supposed to move either. The GT drivers are told to hold their line, and the faster cars are told to overtake on their own judgement. So the Ferraridriver did nothing wrong IMO.
 
C-ZETA
Agreed. Must say though the Ferrari probably just didn't move out of the way properly, but then this is night racing we're talking about.
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The Ferrari doesnt have to get out of the way, they are instructed in the drivers meeting (GTE drivers) to hold their line and follow the racing line because the faster car has to make the pass even if that means moving off line. People have to stop confusing the issue, this isnt GT5 online racing....
 
I love how the Audi R8 Pace car is running out of fuel :P
I'm also staying up again this year! Though I didn't get much sleep last night so I've got some Monster to help me through tonight xD
 
C-ZETA
Even then I wouldn't expect an LMP challenge. One of the GT champs is obviously a smart idea for them to enter in.
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Both of their major crashes were GT class cars. The CLR was GT1 and the SL300 would have been a sports car class, as well. But, since they've already got the SLS GT3, I would expect them to build a GT Pro version and race that if they enter LeMans.
 
MitchZ06
Explain to me why Audi would take out the No.2 car thats currently leading because 2 other drivers have made stupid mistakes? They've now got the resources of 3 teams to make sure 1 car runs like clockwork....
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Tommi
I don't see why people are going on about Audi pulling out. These aren't mechanical failures and the drivers are alive.

Definitely no contact between Rocky and the Fezza.
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I don't see why either, but rumours are saying they might. I really hope they don't and take it home in name of the fallen.

R.I.P Diesela and Helga (R18 #1 and #3). I'll always remember you :guilty:.

EDIT: Dr. Ullrich says Rocky had communication with the persons in the medical center, he appears to be ok but they'll take him to the hospital just to be sure. He also insists that the GTE Ferrari attempted to change lanes.

God I need a beer...My nerves are killing me, nevermind Dr. Ullrich's...
 

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