24 Heures du Mans 2011 - 79th Grand Prix d'Endurance - June 11-12
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I'lll be staying up, of course. No chance in hell I'll go to bed voluntarily.
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SuperShouden
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30minutes until they go green again.
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He didn't "confirm" it, he said thats how he saw it but admitted he hadn't really studied it carefully or anything because he has been very busy.
Quit trying to find someone to blame. Personally I think this is down to a deeper issue with LMP1s and GTs being closer in speed on the straights which is forcing the LMP drivers to take more risks overtaking as they would otherwise lose more time.
I'd call it a racing incident just like the McNish accident because both drivers could have avoided the incident but had good reason for the actions they took.
To me it looked like there was no contact and it was entirely the grass which sent the Audi off. Its a very common type of accident.
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Im staying up for the whole thing then straight away putting F1 FP3 and then quali and then the race on 
managed to catch fp1 and 2 on friday but couldnt watch 3 while this was on.. then after that I'm packing to leave uni for the summer 
managed to catch fp1 and 2 on friday but couldnt watch 3 while this was on.. then after that I'm packing to leave uni for the summer 
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The flying CLR was not GT1, it was GTP, same as the Audi R8C, Toyota GT-One TS020 ´99. In ´98 Merc had a GT1 called CLK-LM (featured in GT5). The Toyota GT-One that participated in LM ´98 was quite different from the ´99 car, even if look very similar. IIRC the only thing they had in common was the engine. Same with the Merc if memory serves me right.
With all the instant discussion about the Fezza and the Audi coming together and major accidents, I believe that the current rules are grounded in common sense.
Think about it. P1 cars are VASTLY quicker than the other categories. By a mile. They seemingly can react faster and have better downforce at any speed or so it seems whenever the P1 cars are lapping the slower cars. So the current rules or agreements for the faster cars to decide how to lap the slower cars would be sensible, as the faster car knows what he can and cannot do to overtake the slower car. The slower car cannot know what the faster car can do. Its impossible. The slower driver isn't driving the faster car.
So, both accidents, in my mind, were the Audi driver's fault. And they both did take some rather odd risk considering that they didn't actually need to do what they did.
This sort of racing requires brains. And common sense. It seems to be a lot better than F1 at the moment with regards to catering to the slower cars....
Think about it. P1 cars are VASTLY quicker than the other categories. By a mile. They seemingly can react faster and have better downforce at any speed or so it seems whenever the P1 cars are lapping the slower cars. So the current rules or agreements for the faster cars to decide how to lap the slower cars would be sensible, as the faster car knows what he can and cannot do to overtake the slower car. The slower car cannot know what the faster car can do. Its impossible. The slower driver isn't driving the faster car.
So, both accidents, in my mind, were the Audi driver's fault. And they both did take some rather odd risk considering that they didn't actually need to do what they did.
This sort of racing requires brains. And common sense. It seems to be a lot better than F1 at the moment with regards to catering to the slower cars....
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An ignorant question:
What happened to Henri's Pescarolo face? It appears as he has some speech and gesture problems, as if he had a serious injury in the past.
What happened to Henri's Pescarolo face? It appears as he has some speech and gesture problems, as if he had a serious injury in the past.
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He was burned in a crash if my memory serves me correctly...
...and yeah he supposedly had a stroke as well.
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After a 12 hour stint myself, I'm off. Night to everyone. Lets hope the small hours pass without incident.
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Its easy to say that it requires common sense but this isn't what you consider as a racing driver, you can lose so much time trying to be careful and when you are focusing on bringing down the gap to the front, its very very easy to make mistakes like this.
This is why it requires rules and regulations to stop this kind of accident, as there will always be drivers who will take risks, motor racing is always about taking risks. Just like with the ban on DRS at the tunnel in Monaco, if it wasn't banned, drivers would use it even if they almost crash doing so. Maybe its common sense not to use it, but if you lose 2 tenths every lap not using it..you are going to start using it and take the risk.
With common sense, you wouldn't jump in an 80s turbo F1 car with 1000bhp in qualifying and a setup that almost kills you. But the drivers didn't think twice about it.
This is why it requires rules and regulations to stop this kind of accident, as there will always be drivers who will take risks, motor racing is always about taking risks. Just like with the ban on DRS at the tunnel in Monaco, if it wasn't banned, drivers would use it even if they almost crash doing so. Maybe its common sense not to use it, but if you lose 2 tenths every lap not using it..you are going to start using it and take the risk.
With common sense, you wouldn't jump in an 80s turbo F1 car with 1000bhp in qualifying and a setup that almost kills you. But the drivers didn't think twice about it.
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I think you are mistaken.... VERY MUCH.
I´m 100% a BMW M Power fan so if i had to take sides i would want the Ferrari to be in the wall.
But i´m not a Ferrari fan so i see things more objectively then the rest here who are audi or ´rari nuthuggers.
It was a small hit between the cars for sure.
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Pruett's been quick to blame the Ferrari on the Speed coverage.
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The 1998 and 1999 GT-ONE cars weren't that different from each other. The CLK-GTR went through a much more intensive redesign to become a prototype GT car which was the CLR. The TS020 never went through any such intensive redesign for 1999. The main change was the exploited suit case sized trunk rule that was used in 1998, but disappeared with the new rules for the new GT-LMP class that was introduced in 1999. The 1998 Toyota racer was a far more prototype racer than the CLK-GTR was.
I understand that.
It did sound quite critical of the Audi drivers. But this is racing. You only really get one chance to get it right if you do it brazenly and aggressively. If you tone it down and allow yourself an escape route, yes, you would be slower. But then you would still finish the race.
This is 24 hours. You cannot take risks all the time and expect them to work out your way all the time.
Having said that, it is very easy to make mistakes in that area due to the tight and dark area drivers are driving at high speeds in!
I recall Stirling Moss being controversial and saying that F1 and motor racing (the big ones) are getting a bit too safe, as you see drivers taking more and more risks. As they know if they go off and have a "big one", they're more than likely will survive. Then this would mean that they would take more and more risks as they wouldn't realise how close they can come to death.
Wow, the safety car must be running low now....
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Absolutely agree here Ardius 👍. If they had common sens, they woudln't be strapped to 300Km/H fuel tanks covered in tinfoil paper
.It reminds me of the comparation made by Argentinian philosopher Jose Ingenieros in his book "The mediocre men" between the "Common sense" and the "Good sense", the latter being a trademark of the "Ideal men" while the former was proper of the "Mediocre men". Not aiming to offend anyone, just a Philosophy fun fact...
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Yea that part i understand, what you don´t understand is i´m not blaming anything on anyone.
If you take a look a few pages back you will see that i´m defending the GT cars....
Therefore you are wrong in your assessment. The blame was totally the Audi as i´ve said 500 times by now. Or called it a Race incident like it was.
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