380PP NR-A Roadster Cup

[XDesperado67]

Thanks ! Will give it a try !

No problem, it's an effect of the V2:10 update. Most of the earlier Miatas had their PP reduced by around 50. This means at 380PP you can have a lot more power and less weight than with the newer versions. Using weight reduction and ballast will get you the same 50/50 weight distribution as the newer models so handling will be about the same.
My '97 at 340PP has 6 more HP and weighs over 100kg less than my '04 at 380PP. Both can win at Indy using drafting.

 

[ayrton1666]

No problem, it's an effect of the V2:10 update. Most of the earlier Miatas had their PP reduced by around 50. This means at 380PP you can have a lot more power and less weight than with the newer versions. Using weight reduction and ballast will get you the same 50/50 weight distribution as the newer models so handling will be about the same.
My '97 at 340PP has 6 more HP and weighs over 100kg less than my '04 at 380PP. Both can win at Indy using drafting.

Picked an early model with just 311pp from the OCD.stage 3 turbo and a little ballast for 48-52 weight.all trans upgrades and sports suspension..played with final drive ratio for each race and did em all with ds3....London probs hardest.

 

[JohnBM01]

I improved to 2nd Place at London Reverse tricking out my Premium 1991 Mazda. I felt more competitive with this car than I did tuning down my 2007 Miata. That other Miata of mine is going to be back to its unrestricted form. The real horsepower tuning I did for the 1991 Miata was with an oil change and a supercharger. Since my '91 Miata was at 380pp with various other upgrades, what I did was add 50 kilograms of ballast to knock the PP down to 377.

In a "did that really happen?" moment, I ended up winning at Indy with my '91 Miata. I didn't think I was going to make it since my Miata could only go up to 136 mph at speed. I got VERY generous going into Turns 3 and 4 as I was able to draw enough speed and get enough draft to chase down the leading three Miatas and pass the leading one down the front stretch. It was a crazy finish! Only thing crazier is if I had won within one hundredth (I already had this trophy a long time ago).


All I need to do is win at London Reverse and Eifel Kart (which I have not attempted with the 1991 Miata yet).

 

[cragles1980]

I used the 89 special package from the NCD and tuned it out at 340pp for all the races except London where I had to bump it up to 350 to win.

I tried the tune from Motor City but it just wasn't working for me so I came up with this that seemed to work better for me;

New car from NCD, No oil change, No aero, Std wheels

All weight reduction ( do not add chassis reinforcement)
All engine and intake upgrades (no turbo)
All exhaust upgrades
All drivetrain and suspension upgrades

140 Ballast @ Pos 50 to give 47:53 weight distribution
Engine output 79.1%
150bhp, Weight 971kg, 340pp

Suspension:
-10 -10
5.8 6.5
4 4
3 3
3 3
Camber and Toe:
2.0 1.5
-0.15 +0.10
LSD:
9/11/8
Brake Bal:
7/6

Gears:
Hit default, set max speed to 112mph (all the way to the left) then set each gear as follows;
1: 3.309
2: 2.528
3: 1.982
4: 1.601
5: 1.335
F: 2.723 ( should give max speed of 165mph)

The gear setting is for the Indy course only so you will need to dial it back for the other tracks. To win @ Indy you MUST draft the other cars whenever possible even if it's just for a few seconds. You should be up with the leading pack at the end of the 2nd lap and take the lead car going down the back straight on the last lap.

You do NOT need to brake at Indy, a very slight lift off the gas as you enter each turn will allow you to power through at full throttle.

Hope this helps and good luck 👍

Edit:
Tranny setting for remaining tracks:
London Final=4.100 (110mph) Up the engine output to give 350pp
Suzuka Final=3.464 (130mph) Reduce engine output to give 340pp
Trial M Final =3.464 (130mph) leave engine output to give 340pp
Eifel K Final =4.100 (110mph) leave engine output to give 340pp

Thanks for this tune! Made London possible for me, infact improved my lap times by over 2 seconds, meaning a 8 second win rather than a 2 second loss! Thanks again!

 

[byegad]

Indy was easy. I tweaked up the power and added 200kg! I easily won Suzuka and Trail Mountain with a more conventional tune and even made silver in London. The 🤬 dreadful 🤬 Eifel has 🤬 set me back to Bronze at the moment, I 🤬 hate the 🤬 Eifel 🤬 Kart tracks and really hope we don't see another in the Seasonals for the next thirty years!

 

[sid_chiclana]

I did them all first time with Motor City's tune, cheers dude 👍
Indy was the closest, passing the rabbit just before the finish line. All the others, a piece a cake, even Eifel, where I caught the leading car halfway through the last lap.

 

[Argon]

Thanks for this tune! Made London possible for me, infact improved my lap times by over 2 seconds, meaning a 8 second win rather than a 2 second loss! Thanks again!

You are most welcome and well done on the win. 👍

 

[Pot Luck]

I managed to bag a '93 miata from the ucd and tuned it up a bit.

Then I took the standard Toyota tune from the iPhone app and intuned it to the miata and must say it worked really well.

I just struggle setting up transmissions.

 

[StarLight]

Did this event with the Mazda Eunos Roadster J-Limited II (NA) '93.

Just install all parts available and adjust the speed for the different circuits, but further all stock.

All aids off, only in London I used ABS=2

Good Luck!

 

[MADDAD]

Thanks for this tune! Made London possible for me, infact improved my lap times by over 2 seconds, meaning a 8 second win rather than a 2 second loss! Thanks again!

Top job on the tune, does exactly as you say

 

[Dhalism]

Statistically you only need about 1000 people to have a representative sample that can be generalized to a much larger group within a few % points of error. So if your sample size of 233,000 GTP members and you postulate that 100,000 of them don't like SRF that would translate into 4,350,000 people who don't like SRF or 43.5%..using your numbers.

That's like sampling the tea party for their opinion on taxes, and then concluding that 100% of american want lower taxes for top 1%

 

[Rit]

@Argon56

Thanks for the tune for the '89 Miata.I had failed at least 15-20 times in other cars at London. I kept looking at the top of the grid for clues as to the cars I should be trying and none were working for me there.

Well,I hop in the '89 Miata with your tune and win first time out by 6.8secs...Amazing!

Thanks again and I'm off to Suzuka before my luck runs out!..👍

 

[Argon]

@Argon56

Thanks for the tune for the '89 Miata.I had failed at least 15-20 times in other cars at London. I kept looking at the top of the grid for clues as to the cars I should be trying and none were working for me there.

Well,I hop in the '89 Miata with your tune and win first time out by 6.8secs...Amazing!

Thanks again and I'm off to Suzuka before my luck runs out!..👍

No problem Rit, glad that it helped and I hope that you slayed that Suzuka race too

 

[Rit]

No problem Rit, glad that it helped and I hope that you slayed that Suzuka race too

Hahaha...11.388sec win!..I took over first on lap two right after Spoon and never looked back. I wish I'd had this car all set up for the first three races I did. Man,everybody was laughing about how easy they were and I'm struggling to win with maximum pp levels.I know my game is going downhill but it's not going down that fast!..lol

I think I can go back to these now and plumb the depths a bit with the pp levels and see how low I can go. They'll never be "cash-cow" races like some of the other seasonals with their payouts but still well worth exploring..

Thanks Again!.👍

 

[Ills1999]

I wonder what was behind the pp overhaul.

 

[waddy2001]

Finally got London after many tries. Used a '91 J Limited with my own tune, 224 HP. I tried Argon56's tune but couldn't do better than 2nd. Laps were not great, 1:06 and then 1:03s on the rest. Got the rabbit on the last corner. The rest were one shots, except for Eifel which took a few. Won it with a supercharged '91. Fun track, in my opinion.
As an aside, out of 98 posts (a few hours ago), fully 33% had nothing to do with this seasonal EXCEPT for SRF. Maybe someone can explain why my first post was deleted while the others weren't. If there is a separate thread for SRF complaints, why not use it?
Lastly, if anyone wants my car for London, add me and use it. Nick is the same as here. It would win the rest easily, set up for London now.

 

[IvanOffalich]

The Outlaw Motorsports Garage tunes
Mazda Eunos Roadster SR-Limited (NA) '97, "Unity"
Created as an easy way to win the 380PP Roadster Seasonal races the car earns its name "Unity" by making the driver feel at one with it.
Source and Parts list:
Buy from: Used Car Dealership
Paintjob: Chaste White (Stock paintjob)
Wheels: BBS LM-R
Aerodynamic Kit: None
Weight Reduction: Stage 2
Window Weight Reduction: Yes
Carbon Hood: No
Chassis reinforcement: No
ECU Tuning: Yes
Engine Tuning: No
Intake Manifold: Sports
Air Filter: Racing
Exhaust Manifold: Sports
Catalytic Converter: Sports
Exhaust: Titanium Racing
Turbo Kit: High RPM Range
Transmission: Fully Customizable
Clutch: Twin-Plate
Flywheel: Semi-Racing
LSD: Adjustable
Center Differential: NA
Drive Shaft: Carbon
Suspension: Fully Customizable Kit
Tires: Comfort Soft

The Tune
Aerodynamics: -
Ballast: 82kg @ +50
Power Limiter: 100%
Transmission - process as follows;
1) Set to default
2) Set Final Gear to 5.500
3) Set Top Speed to 112mph
4) Set gears as follows;
1st=2.350,
2nd=1.775,
3rd=1.400,
4th=1.125,
5th=0.945,
5) Set Final gear to 4.500 (London), 3.600 (Indianapolis) and 3.900 (other tracks)
LSD Rear Initial 15, Acceleration 15, Braking 5
Suspension
Camber Angle Front 2.2, Rear 2.0
Toe Angle Front +0.15, Rear +0.10
Ride Height Front -5, Rear -5
Spring Rate Front 11.2, Rear 7.2
Dampers (Extension) Front 1, Rear 1
Dampers (Compression) Front 3, Rear 3
Anti-Roll Bars Front 4, Rear 5
Brakes Front 6, Rear 7

The car has 380PP, weighs 992Kg with a 50/50 front/rear weight distribution, has 234HP and produces 174ft-lb torque@6,600rpm with a 8,100rpm redline.

Notes: Better drivers can easily win most of these Seasonals with a much lower PP. Removing the High RPM Turbo, Sports Exhaust Manifold and switching to a Sports Exhaust, will bring you to 340PP which will roughly double your payout.

Enjoy the ride and as Ol'Harvey Wallbanger always says...
Drive hard and have fun!

Reviews and/or additional photos

This car works out well for this Seasonal. I really had no difficulty to speak of with it. My only problems were based on things other than the car itself.

On Indy, one of the AI drivers pushed me into the wall and slowed me down. It was actually my carelessness that put me in the wrong place for that to happen. I tried to sneak past him before he did it, but I needed to do it sooner. Even with the loss of momentum, I got first place on the first shot.

On London, the problems I had were related to traffic. The AI drivers were always right in front of me when I turned a corner onto a straight. Instead of being able to hit the gas, I had to slow down and then make my way around them. This seems to happen no matter what car I drive on there. It took a couple of shots to figure out the traffic flow and find my passing spots.

Suzuka was way too easy with this car. I was in first place before the end of the 2nd lap and I wasn't even driving my best.

Trial Mountain went smoothly. No issues there at all. The car was more than enough for this track as well.

Eifel took me a bit to adjust to. I had driven it before. I think it was in my Dodge Ram. Driving it with a different vehicle took a little time to figure out. In the Ram, you can really push it in the corners, which I knew that I couldn't do in the Roadster, so I went way too cautiously at first. I realized that I had to push it harder, so I overcompensated, and drove it too much like the Ram. The third time, I figured out the happy medium and got it.

As you said, this car could easily be de-tuned for bonus points. Eifel might be tricky due to how much of a head start the rabbit has, but the rest would be no trouble.

On a side note, I would have probably have liked a slightly stiffer suspension, but that is probably just personal preference. By no means am I saying that the car doesn't drive well. We all have our own preferences and for me, I think it would have felt a little better with it being tighter. No biggie. Just a comment.

I did have a question about the way that you tuned it. I don't understand all of the ins and outs of it, so I thought I'd ask. You did Stage 2 Weight Reduction and then added Ballast afterwards. Is there a reason for this? From a layman's standpoint it would seem unusual to take away weight and then put weight back on the car. Just curious.

 

[JohnBM01]

Ladies and gentlemen... I goofed. I am using the 1989 Mazda Eunos Roadster (NA Special Package) in this Seasonal, NOT the 1991 model. What I did recently was remove the aero parts I put on my '89 Miata. So the Performance Points are now at 375. Just about all power add-ons have been added along with a Supercharger. So this car is more than legal for this Seasonal.


[UPDATE] I finally cleared London Reverse! One of the dumb Miatas was blocking me for almost three seconds and really disrupted my chances to win. The leading Miata was ahead by about two seconds on the last lap. So I ended up 2nd in my first attempt tonight. Then, I man'd up (Man Up!) in my 2nd attempt; and on the fourth lap, I trailed the leader by just over the margin I lost by in the first attempt. I passed the leading Miata about at the halfway point of the track. I ended up winning that race. It was great to finally win at London. London is one of my most recent favorite cities in the world.

All that remains is Eifel (Kart). On one attempt, I managed to cash in on a victory. This generated track is actually pretty fun. The multiple right-hand corners in succession can be taken with brief intervals of throttle. I think that section can be a great section to get some speed going. That's what I did as I was able to finally pass the leading Miata to win. The Eifel courses are screwed up in finding the Start/Finish line. The line is there, but where the line actually counts laps is about 100 or 200 feet before where the actual Start/Finish line paint is. It's worse than trying to find the proper Start/Finish line at GT4's El Capitan (God forbid I love that course from GT4).


So I've cleared all five courses and got my Level 1 Ticket after logging some more miles in this Seasonal. I ended up getting a 1989 Mitsubishi Galant 2.0 DOHC Turbo VR-4 for my efforts. There you are. Cool stuff.

 

[XDesperado67]

@Ivan the reason I added ballast was for a 50/50 weight distribution and to let the car run a bit more HP. Power wise you would be about the same without the weight reduction and no ballast but the car would be at 55/45 weight distribution. Adding ballast to stock weight to even out the weight distribution would allow for even more power, which really isn't needed but would leave you with about the same acceleration and probably make it a bit slower in the corners.

When I build to a specific PP I try to find the best balance of HP, weight and overall handling. Generally lighter cars will corner a bit faster and have better acceleration. You can generally tune around weight distribution to a certain degree, but on fairly lightweight low PP cars HP can be at a premium so adding a bit of ballast can give you a few extra points to play with and also improve handling somewhat.

 

[IvanOffalich]

@Ivan the reason I added ballast was for a 50/50 weight distribution and to let the car run a bit more HP. Power wise you would be about the same without the weight reduction and no ballast but the car would be at 55/45 weight distribution. Adding ballast to stock weight to even out the weight distribution would allow for even more power, which really isn't needed but would leave you with about the same acceleration and probably make it a bit slower in the corners.

When I build to a specific PP I try to find the best balance of HP, weight and overall handling. Generally lighter cars will corner a bit faster and have better acceleration. You can generally tune around weight distribution to a certain degree, but on fairly lightweight low PP cars HP can be at a premium so adding a bit of ballast can give you a few extra points to play with and also improve handling somewhat.

That makes sense now. Thanks.

 

[Polsixe]

Lap times needed to win

Indy - 1:08
London - 1:04
Suzuka - 2:41
Trial Mt - 1:49
Eifel - 1:08

That was a pretty good one. '07 Roadster was the one, gearbox tuning mostly with London and Eifel at 112 mph max speed, Indy at 143 mph. London was a metter of clean laps but fun sliding around the corners. Did a Danny Sullivan on Trial Mt and still won, but have to admit there was was grass in the undercarriage after that one.

 

[python3000]

That's like sampling the tea party for their opinion on taxes, and then concluding that 100% of american want lower taxes for top 1%

I concur. The samples need to be independent of each other. You can't take a sample in Harlem, in church, at an elementary school, at a strip club, or on GTPlanet if you are trying to represent the entire population on any subject.

And first place on all using the Miata in the dealership. Down to 360PP on 3 of them. Needed all 380 on Eifel.

 

[byegad]

Cannot crack Indy ! As close as I can get is between 3rd and 5th ! I'll get back to it and see what I can come up as far as tunes go ! Wow !

No need to tune in detail for Indy. Add 200kg and a Supercharger, make additions to the intake and exhaust to get back to 380pp. Set the gearing high enough and you'll eat the opposition, I was first on the third lap.

 

[FugitiveYOY]

Yippykayee, i got the mini cooper s

 

[waddy2001]

The Outlaw Motorsports Garage tunes
Mazda Eunos Roadster SR-Limited (NA) '97, "Unity"
Created as an easy way to win the 380PP Roadster Seasonal races the car earns its name "Unity" by making the driver feel at one with it.
Source and Parts list:
Buy from: Used Car Dealership
Paintjob: Chaste White (Stock paintjob)
Wheels: BBS LM-R
Aerodynamic Kit: None
Weight Reduction: Stage 2
Window Weight Reduction: Yes
Carbon Hood: No
Chassis reinforcement: No
ECU Tuning: Yes
Engine Tuning: No
Intake Manifold: Sports
Air Filter: Racing
Exhaust Manifold: Sports
Catalytic Converter: Sports
Exhaust: Titanium Racing
Turbo Kit: High RPM Range
Transmission: Fully Customizable
Clutch: Twin-Plate
Flywheel: Semi-Racing
LSD: Adjustable
Center Differential: NA
Drive Shaft: Carbon
Suspension: Fully Customizable Kit
Tires: Comfort Soft

The Tune
Aerodynamics: -
Ballast: 82kg @ +50
Power Limiter: 100%
Transmission - process as follows;
1) Set to default
2) Set Final Gear to 5.500
3) Set Top Speed to 112mph
4) Set gears as follows;
1st=2.350,
2nd=1.775,
3rd=1.400,
4th=1.125,
5th=0.945,
5) Set Final gear to 4.500 (London), 3.600 (Indianapolis) and 3.900 (other tracks)
LSD Rear Initial 15, Acceleration 15, Braking 5
Suspension
Camber Angle Front 2.2, Rear 2.0
Toe Angle Front +0.15, Rear +0.10
Ride Height Front -5, Rear -5
Spring Rate Front 11.2, Rear 7.2
Dampers (Extension) Front 1, Rear 1
Dampers (Compression) Front 3, Rear 3
Anti-Roll Bars Front 4, Rear 5
Brakes Front 6, Rear 7

The car has 380PP, weighs 992Kg with a 50/50 front/rear weight distribution, has 234HP and produces 174ft-lb torque@6,600rpm with a 8,100rpm redline.

Notes: Better drivers can easily win most of these Seasonals with a much lower PP. Removing the High RPM Turbo, Sports Exhaust Manifold and switching to a Sports Exhaust, will bring you to 340PP which will roughly double your payout.

Enjoy the ride and as Ol'Harvey Wallbanger always says...
Drive hard and have fun!

Reviews and/or additional photos

I swore that I had every combination of Eunos/Miata/M5 there is but I don't have this one. I'd love to win London by more than half a second so I'll keep looking. Of course it should work on other models but the Unity sounds quite different.

 

[XDesperado67]

I swore that I had every combination of Eunos/Miata/M5 there is but I don't have this one. I'd love to win London by more than half a second so I'll keep looking. Of course it should work on other models but the Unity sounds quite different.

Tune should work the same on any of the '97s. (There are 3 or 4 different '97s all with the same basic stats. I just used the Eunos because I had a couple of them in my garage.)👍👍

Oh and by the way "Unity" is just my nickname for the tune and not a part of the actual model name.

 

[Reaper5167]

@ Argon56 - thanks for that '89 tune, it worked like a charm and the car handles amazing!

 

[Argon]

@ Argon56 - thanks for that '89 tune, it worked like a charm and the car handles amazing!

You're welcome Reaper, glad it worked for you 👍

 

[DC455]

The Outlaw Motorsports Garage tunes
Mazda Eunos Roadster SR-Limited (NA) '97, "Unity"
Created as an easy way to win the 380PP Roadster Seasonal races the car earns its name "Unity" by making the driver feel at one with it.
Source and Parts list:
Buy from: Used Car Dealership
Paintjob: Chaste White (Stock paintjob)
Wheels: BBS LM-R
Aerodynamic Kit: None
Weight Reduction: Stage 2
Window Weight Reduction: Yes
Carbon Hood: No
Chassis reinforcement: No
ECU Tuning: Yes
Engine Tuning: No
Intake Manifold: Sports
Air Filter: Racing
Exhaust Manifold: Sports
Catalytic Converter: Sports
Exhaust: Titanium Racing
Turbo Kit: High RPM Range
Transmission: Fully Customizable
Clutch: Twin-Plate
Flywheel: Semi-Racing
LSD: Adjustable
Center Differential: NA
Drive Shaft: Carbon
Suspension: Fully Customizable Kit
Tires: Comfort Soft

The Tune
Aerodynamics: -
Ballast: 82kg @ +50
Power Limiter: 100%
Transmission - process as follows;
1) Set to default
2) Set Final Gear to 5.500
3) Set Top Speed to 112mph
4) Set gears as follows;
1st=2.350,
2nd=1.775,
3rd=1.400,
4th=1.125,
5th=0.945,
5) Set Final gear to 4.500 (London), 3.600 (Indianapolis) and 3.900 (other tracks)
LSD Rear Initial 15, Acceleration 15, Braking 5
Suspension
Camber Angle Front 2.2, Rear 2.0
Toe Angle Front +0.15, Rear +0.10
Ride Height Front -5, Rear -5
Spring Rate Front 11.2, Rear 7.2
Dampers (Extension) Front 1, Rear 1
Dampers (Compression) Front 3, Rear 3
Anti-Roll Bars Front 4, Rear 5
Brakes Front 6, Rear 7

The car has 380PP, weighs 992Kg with a 50/50 front/rear weight distribution, has 234HP and produces 174ft-lb torque@6,600rpm with a 8,100rpm redline.

Notes: Better drivers can easily win most of these Seasonals with a much lower PP. Removing the High RPM Turbo, Sports Exhaust Manifold and switching to a Sports Exhaust, will bring you to 340PP which will roughly double your payout.

Enjoy the ride and as Ol'Harvey Wallbanger always says...
Drive hard and have fun!

Reviews and/or additional photos

This is an excellent tune. If you are struggling, use this!!! 👍👍👍

 

[XDesperado67]

This is an excellent tune. If you are struggling, use this!!! 👍👍👍

Thanks for the vote glad it's worked so well for you.