380PP NR-A Roadster Cup

[byegad]

I tried the tune and couldn't get to grips with it at all. The rearward brake bias seemed to turn the rear end into a spin on some corners and the weight at the rear made this worse. I upped the front brake to 10 and the car was a lot better, but my best was third at Eifel, where I always struggle. I've said it a couple of times in this thread, but in case I'm misunderstood...

I HATE EIFEL KART!!!!!

 

[Argon]

I tried the tune and couldn't get to grips with it at all. The rearward brake bias seemed to turn the rear end into a spin on some corners and the weight at the rear made this worse. I upped the front brake to 10 and the car was a lot better, but my best was third at Eifel, where I always struggle. I've said it a couple of times in this thread, but in case I'm misunderstood...

I HATE EIFEL KART!!!!!

Did you try mine a few pages back?

If you're having trouble with over-steer try moving the ballast forward by 10 clicks at a go until you find a place where it suits your style but if you go too far forward you'll create an under-steer problem that will be even worse. I always shove the ballast back on the little Miata's to help counteract the horrendous amounts of under-steer you get from it's nose heavy configuration.

Also, try a more balanced brake set-up like 7/5. The over-steer you're getting is unlikely to be cured through brake-balance and pushing all your stopping power back to the front will probably be slowing you down as you have to wait for the car to regain balance for the turn.

Don't give up 👍

 

[XDesperado67]

@byegad which tune did you try?
As for the Eifel track go a little easier on the throttle with whatever tune you use and try braking a bit earlier. The London race is actually harder so I'm guessing it's your driving habits that are causing you problems at Eifel.
Also as has already been pointed out running very high brake settings won't cure your problems and may actually make things worse for you.

 

[NCRthree]

Wow, I'm way off the pace. Been attempting to race with a fully stock OCD 04 Miata with no aids other than the srf. Nowhere close to a win. I always attempt with stock vehicles first and I've never been this far off pace in a seasonal before. Embarrased to say my only podium is bronze at Trial Mountain, jeez.

Thanks guys for posting some winning tunes. Looking forward to trying them out.

 

[byegad]

@byegad which tune did you try?
As for the Eifel track go a little easier on the throttle with whatever tune you use and try braking a bit earlier. The London race is actually harder so I'm guessing it's your driving habits that are causing you problems at Eifel.
Also as has already been pointed out running very high brake settings won't cure your problems and may actually make things worse for you.

I'm Using Outlaw's tune which appears on page 6 of this thread.

Re-underlined.
I'm sure your right about habits, but Awful Efiel is one track where I always have trouble, in consequence I've done a lot of laps trying to get a win every time an iteration is in a challenge. The fact that I've won eventually suggests I can get it right, it's just so frustrating!

As to braking.

I've run and won practically every 'Expert' race with a 10-7 or 10-8 brake balance, so maybe it's the fact I'm using a DFGT and never push the brake pedal very far down, even on very high speed entries to slow corners, that has worked for me. I found 6-7 made the car fishtail under hard braking. I will go back and try to adapt my driving style to 6-7.

 

[Ills1999]

I tried two of the tunes already posted in this thread and was able to gold, but they didn't really suit my driving style. I wanted to try a much softer setup and I wanted to keep the tires square and plumb. Basically, I took the stock settings and dialed out a smidgen of the fore to aft weight transfer by bumping up the rebound dampening in front a click and compression dampening in back a click.

Transmission was set up using the tranny trick and adjusting the final ratio to the track, hitting the rev limiter on the longest straights.

Eunos Roadster (NA Special Package) '89

Mods

Oil Change
Aftermarket Wheels
Weight Reduction 1
Carbon Hood
ECU Tuning
Sports Intake
Racing Filter
Sports Exhaust Manifold
Sports Cat
Racing Exhaust
High-RPM Turbo
Full-Custom Trans
Twin-Plate Clutch
Semi-Racing Flywheel
Adjustable LSD
Carbon DS
Fully adjustable suspension

Settings

LSD=10/10/5
Brake=5/5
Ballast=26kg@50
Power Level=100%

Ride Height 0/0
Spring Rate=2.8/1.7
Dampers (ext.)=2/1
Dampers (comp.)=1/2
ARB=1/1
Camber=0.0/0.0
Toe=0.00/0.00

Specs

201 HP @7600
149 ft-lb@6600
894 kg 53/47 balance

TC=1,SRF on,Steering off,ASM off,ABS=1

Edit: Starting with the Eunos Roadster J-Limited (NA) '91 will allow you to add Engine stage 1 for 213 HP@7700, 156 ft-lbs@6700 and less ballast for 891kg, or can add downforce.

 

[XDesperado67]

@byegad looks like you were trying my tune there...suggest you go ahead and flip the brake balance to 7/6 if that's not causing your tires to lock up then go ahead and raise it a bit until your regularly getting wheel lock up.

If the rear is to loose for you there are two things you can do to try fixing it. 1st move the ballast forward a bit, watch for the cars weight distribution to change then try it. 2nd and less preferably add some more + rear toe to the car. That can help stabilize the rear but is prone to making the whole car resistant to rotating.

Good luck and hope my suggestions can help.

 

[byegad]

@byegad looks like you were trying my tune there...suggest you go ahead and flip the brake balance to 7/6 if that's not causing your tires to lock up then go ahead and raise it a bit until your regularly getting wheel lock up.

If the rear is to loose for you there are two things you can do to try fixing it. 1st move the ballast forward a bit, watch for the cars weight distribution to change then try it. 2nd and less preferably add some more + rear toe to the car. That can help stabilize the rear but is prone to making the whole car resistant to rotating.

Good luck and hope my suggestions can help.

I'll give that a go, many thanks!👍 Luckily I saved your set up in Settings B so can copy it back to A and make your suggested changes. I did change one thing, the car had a well used engine and I rebuilt it so went to a Race Air Filter to get back up to 379pp, I expect to run the engine in to get 380pp and above so will change the filter back to sports when that happens.

 

[NCRthree]

What a difference a tuned car makes! Had tried with little success with a bone stock 04 Miata@377pp.

Bought a new 89 Premium Miata and tried out Motor City Hami's tune. Added my weight@50 position putting it @360pp. Then painted it Sublime with silver wheels to match your sig. Blasted through the first 3 tracks almost too easily. London, I kept hitting the Sunday drivers so it took a few times to get a clean run. Yet to try Eifel.

Nice job on that tune. I ran ABS off with BB of 3/1 with a wheel. The car probably rotates quicker without the brake assist- gave me some quick transitions through the tight London course. Thanks for posting it.

 

[Motor City Hami]

Working on some Miata tunes for these. These are for Indy Superspeedway

Mazda MX-5 SR-Limited (NA, J) '97
160hp, 1000kg, 335PP
DS3, FPS Freek stick extenders, ABS 1, all other aids off.
With chassis reinforcement
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=8088398#post8088398

Mazda Eunos Roadster VR-Limited (NA) '95
160hp, 1000kg, 335PP
DS3, FPS Freek stick extenders, ABS 1, SRF forced on in this seasonal, all other aids off.
Without chassis reinforcement
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=8088544#post8088544

 

[byegad]

I finally managed Gold in London and Eifel. Many thanks to Outlaw for his tune, advice and encouragement.

I made some changes so here is Outlaws tune as adapted by me.


Colour Sparkle Green Metallic, IIRC this colour came with the car from UCD.
Wheels: BBS LM-R Painted Orange to denote to me a partially tuned car.
Aerodynamic Kit: None
Weight Reduction: Stage 2
Window Weight Reduction: Yes
Carbon Hood: No
Chassis reinforcement: No
ECU Tuning: Yes
Engine Tuning: No
Intake Manifold: Sports
Air Filter: Racing
Exhaust Manifold: Sports
Catalytic Converter: Sports
Exhaust: Titanium Racing
Turbo Kit: High RPM Range
Transmission: Fully Customizable
Clutch: Twin-Plate
Flywheel: Semi-Racing
LSD: Adjustable
Centre Differential: NA
Drive Shaft: Carbon
Suspension: Fully Customizable Kit
Tires: Comfort Soft

Aerodynamics: -
Ballast: 58kg @ -20
Power Limiter: 100%
Transmission - process as follows;
1) Set to default
2) Set Final Gear to 5.500
3) Set Top Speed to 112mph
4) Set gears as follows;
1st=2.350,
2nd=1.775,
3rd=1.400,
4th=1.125,
5th=0.945,
5) Set Final gear to 4.500 (London), 3.600 (Indianapolis) and 3.900 (other tracks)
LSD Rear Initial 15, Acceleration 15, Braking 5
Suspension
Camber Angle Front 2.2, Rear 2.0
Toe Angle Front +0.10, Rear 0.00
Ride Height Front -10, Rear +20
Spring Rate Front 11.2, Rear 7.2
Dampers (Extension) Front 1, Rear 1
Dampers (Compression) Front 3, Rear 3
Anti-Roll Bars Front 4, Rear 5
Brakes Front 8, Rear 7

The car has 380PP, weighs 968Kg with a 50/50 front/rear weight distribution, has 233HP and produces 23kgfm torque@6,600rpm with a 8,100rpm redline.

I found the Transmission settings were ideal and the car would drift without my losing the back end. It behaved nicely under braking and turned into corners well. Finally, I really don't like Eifel! Did I mention this before????

 

[XDesperado67]

@byegad glad to see you got it sorted to fit your style.👍👍
By the way what was your final weight distribution there? Haven't checked my own car to see what the change in ballast you've made did to it.

 

[byegad]

IIRC the weight was 55-45 and this gave me the pointy thing into corners without the tail coming around. This is the way I drive a car fast, it may not be everyone's cup of tea, but if it's good enough for a lot of F1 drivers...

 

[Argon]

IIRC the weight was 55-45 and this gave me the pointy thing into corners without the tail coming around. This is the way I drive a car fast, it may not be everyone's cup of tea, but if it's good enough for a lot of F1 drivers...

Glad you won but F1 cars have that weight distributed the other way round 45:55 i.e. 45% at the front 55% at the rear 👍

 

[byegad]

Glad you won but F1 cars have that weight distributed the other way round 45:55 i.e. 45% at the front 55% at the rear 👍

Yes but they have a shed load of front and rear downforce. I know Lewis Hamilton and Michael Schumacher, along with other F1 drivers, like the car to turn in very assuredly and so do I. Comparisons end there.

 

[testorz]

I used the 89 special package from the NCD and tuned it out at 340pp for all the races except London where I had to bump it up to 350 to win.

I tried the tune from Motor City but it just wasn't working for me so I came up with this that seemed to work better for me;

New car from NCD, No oil change, No aero, Std wheels

All weight reduction ( do not add chassis reinforcement)
All engine and intake upgrades (no turbo)
All exhaust upgrades
All drivetrain and suspension upgrades

140 Ballast @ Pos 50 to give 47:53 weight distribution
Engine output 79.1%
150bhp, Weight 971kg, 340pp

Suspension:
-10 -10
5.8 6.5
4 4
3 3
3 3
Camber and Toe:
2.0 1.5
-0.15 +0.10
LSD:
9/11/8
Brake Bal:
7/6

Gears:
Hit default, set max speed to 112mph (all the way to the left) then set each gear as follows;
1: 3.309
2: 2.528
3: 1.982
4: 1.601
5: 1.335
F: 2.723 ( should give max speed of 165mph)

The gear setting is for the Indy course only so you will need to dial it back for the other tracks. To win @ Indy you MUST draft the other cars whenever possible even if it's just for a few seconds. You should be up with the leading pack at the end of the 2nd lap and take the lead car going down the back straight on the last lap.

You do NOT need to brake at Indy, a very slight lift off the gas as you enter each turn will allow you to power through at full throttle.

Hope this helps and good luck 👍

Edit:
Tranny setting for remaining tracks:
London Final=4.100 (110mph) Up the engine output to give 350pp
Suzuka Final=3.464 (130mph) Reduce engine output to give 340pp
Trial M Final =3.464 (130mph) leave engine output to give 340pp
Eifel K Final =4.100 (110mph) leave engine output to give 340pp

Wow nice tune ! I used your tune and was able to finally beat Trial M and Indy ! Only one left to do is the dreaded Eifel Kart ! Thanks for posting the tune !

 

[Argon]

Yes but they have a shed load of front and rear downforce. I know Lewis Hamilton and Michael Schumacher, along with other F1 drivers, like the car to turn in very assuredly and so do I. Comparisons end there.

I know what you mean Byegad 👍

Wow nice tune ! I used your tune and was able to finally beat Trial M and Indy ! Only one left to do is the dreaded Eifel Kart ! Thanks for posting the tune !

Thanks, glad it helped and good luck with Eifel, hope you nail it 👍

 

[Motor City Hami]

Mazda MX-5 Miata V-Special II (NA, J) '93
184hp, 1000kg, 350PP

Trial Mountain Circuit

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=8091938#post8091938

 

[1stlsx]

Won all races on the first try with the 07 tuned to 370 pp probably the easiest seasonal for me in a long time

 

[laloGTleiva]

Thanks to Motor City Hami and llls1999 I made a mix if both tunes and I was able to win at Indy, needed a decent tranny tune. I never play with SRF on, but I might say that this time I didnot really feel it kicking in most of the time, maybe because the car was not that powerful. Got to try out the new NASCAR TT tonight.
Have a good day and a clean race...
Eduardo

 

[MustangManiac]

Thanks to Motor City Hami and llls1999 I made a mix if both tunes and I was able to win at Indy, needed a decent tranny tune. I never play with SRF on, but I might say that this time I didnot really feel it kicking in most of the time, maybe because the car was not that powerful. Got to try out the new NASCAR TT tonight.
Have a good day and a clean race...
Eduardo

Stock tranny on the 07 Miata aced Indy for me. I put the close ratio box on after Indy for the road courses as it usually brings down the top end a few mph. I don't waste my money on a full custom box unless I plan on using the car more than once for a seasonal or TT.

 

[Brandoningham]

1st POST EVER!

Argon56 you are a life saver. Used your tuning guide and aced all races except from Eiffel. Fitted a Low RPM Range Turbo kit and won the race. About the SFR, I dont particularly like it but I dont see why people should make such a big deal about it. If you can't adapt your driving, why are you playing. Like it or lump it, we're stuck with it regardless of how much we hate it.

 

[Argon]

1st POST EVER!

Argon56 you are a life saver. Used your tuning guide and aced all races except from Eiffel. Fitted a Low RPM Range Turbo kit and won the race. About the SFR, I dont particularly like it but I dont see why people should make such a big deal about it. If you can't adapt your driving, why are you playing. Like it or lump it, we're stuck with it regardless of how much we hate it.

You're very welcome, glad it helped and congrats on your first post

 

[Brandoningham]

You're very welcome, glad it helped and congrats on your first post

Thanks, realised afterwards that I was running on comfort Hards. No wonder I struggled on Eiffel.

 

[Argon]

Thanks, realised afterwards that I was running on comfort Hards. No wonder I struggled on Eiffel.

That'll make life difficult for sure

 

[wc420pro]

I've finished this seasonal last night. I was missing Eiffel, and London. They were giving me really hard time. Than I used Argon56 set up, and race by race I was nearer to the leader in London, and I finally won it. After that Eiffel was the one to beat. Tried same car, jut lowered final gear, but without succeed. Even I don't like it (Eiffel) I found it interesting to drive. I have used Brandoningham advice and instead of HIGH I putted LOW RPM turbo, and in my second try I won it. :-)
Now, back to the only one gold I still miss in seasonal s...
Yes, you are right... Nurburgring

 

[Brandoningham]

Im glad it helped wc420pro. When I did it originally, I was lacking that last bit of power to get the power from the car onto the track. Low RPM turbo works a treat - Even in desperate times.

 

[Motor City Hami]

Indy Tunes
Mazda MX-5 SR-Limited (NA, J) '97

160hp, 1000kg, 335PP
DS3, FPS Freek stick extenders, ABS 1, all other aids off.
With chassis reinforcement
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=8088398#post8088398

Mazda Eunos Roadster VR-Limited (NA) '95

160hp, 1000kg, 335PP
DS3, FPS Freek stick extenders, ABS 1, SRF forced on in this seasonal, all other aids off.
Without chassis reinforcement
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=8088544#post8088544

London Tune
Mazda Eunos Roadster (NA Special Package) '89

171hp, 1000kg, 350PP
G27, Nixim brake pedal mod, ABS 1, SRF forced on in this seasonal, all other aids off.
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=8102948#post8102948

Suzuka Tune
Mazda Eunos Roadster J-Limited (NA) '91

184hp, 995kg, 350PP
G27, Nixim brake pedal mod, ABS 1, SRF forced on in this seasonal, all other aids off.
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=8102936#post8102936

Trial Mountain Tune
Mazda MX-5 Miata V-Special II (NA, J) '93

184hp, 1000kg, 350PP
DS3, FPS Freek stick extenders, ABS 1, SRF forced on in this seasonal, all other aids off.
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=8091938#post8091938

Eifel Kart Tune
Mazda MX-5 Miata 1800 RS (NB,J) '04

165hp, 1080kg, 380PP
G27, Nixim brake pedal mod, ABS 1, SRF forced on in this seasonal, all other aids off.
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=8102957#post8102957



Updated my tuning guide to be current with 2.09 tuning. https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=4641238#post4641238

 

[Machinehead]

Did them all at 331PP-336PP with '89.

331PP-332PP Suzuka, Eifel, and Indy

336PP Trial Mountain, though I can't say for sure it's harder, just the way it worked out. All tracks so far took maybe 3-8 attempts.

London was very trying at 335PP. Got 0.4 seconds off leader on maybe 6th attempt, but it took maybe a dozen more attempts seal the deal.

 

[FLTRXE]

Did them all at 331PP-336PP with '89.

331PP-332PP Suzuka, Eifel, and Indy

336PP Trial Mountain, though I can't say for sure it's harder, just the way it worked out. All tracks so far took maybe 3-8 attempts.

London was very trying at 335PP. Got 0.4 seconds off leader on maybe 6th attempt, but it took maybe a dozen more attempts seal the deal.

How much credits did you get with that pp?