450PP Historic European Super Lap: Matterhorn Rotenboden

[Stotty]

so you mean i'm not dump ?
You made my day dude

The Stratos is a tricky car to drive... the snap oversteer on corner entry is a PITA, and it's very difficult to tune out without making the car an understeering mess... even if you can fix this (or you're a good enough driver to cope with it), you then have poor exit traction, meaning loads of oversteer or a LSD accel setting in low single figures, which seriously hurts speed... it feels like the Stratos (plus Yellowbird and some others) have a physics override that puts them on a tyre 1 or 2 levels worse than what you have selected.

Personally, I do like the challenge of driving the Stratos, but there's no way I'd ever try and be competitive with it in a TT with an open choice of cars

 

[ODB]

Well @ODB; i'd say you still got a screw loose

well life without laughter is dull, especially here in the darkness heheh...

-Congrats on a great lap, although i get pushed from being best placed Scandinavian -again. Well, never mind: We know Elias is gonna come and push us both down in the last days of the TT.

Yeah that elias guys is pretty damn tough and I think I'm currently just fastestt scandinavian taking PART in to this TT but thanks anyway just did over two hour stint and I was JUST about to give it up for today and look what happened



I had a really good lap going on but at the bottom of the hill on those two right hand turns I go bit sideways and I'm also about to hit that right wall under the bridge for the rear is sliding waay too much (not at all would've been nice ) heheh, never the less it's shared 11th place ATM not bad at all 👍

BTW: Did you just give away the answer for your riddle from last month a few posts up?

SoW is Streets of Willow

I'm gonna try that longer 3'rd and have also been considering to prolongue first gear to better negotiate the turn under the second bridge -but i'm hesitating 'coz then i'd have to change the gearbox entirely...

I have only made 3rd gear longer so that I don't have to go to 4th gear before that hairpin on the top of the hill, it doesn't change much, but after getting used to it I've liked it... Going under the bridge I try to stay on 2nd gear, if it seems like the car won't turn in I drop quickly to 1st and shift right back up so that the rear doesn't slide too much 👍 today I also figured that I can just floor it trough that chicane/jump if the lines is just right, also when the line is right all you have to do is start braking as soon as the car hits the tarmac and the just smoothly steer the car down the hill and in to the hairpin, good luck mate 👍

EDIT: oh yeah beatiful time you have there @Ed_Night Just squeeze in bit better firts sector and you'll be down at 44.5 👍 hehehe, and I know you herd this many times, but doing such times on controller is remarkable I bet you could be a surgeon with such a sensitive fingers good luck herr Ed

 

[Nihamavasa72]

Your totaly right.
I tryed everything.
Bringing the back of the car up and down, harder and softer, more-less spring rate, more-less suspension.
Harden the Front to lower the load change reaction (is this the right expression ? ) because it schouldn't dive in this deep on the front, playing around with roll-bar toe and camber. just to find out that its getting worse no matter what i change.

just use this mystic "make-the-car-faster" slider which is called spring rate and height and thats its. leave all others as they are, or adjust them as you like, YOU WON'T GET IT ANY BETTER ...

nevertheless i like the stratos a lot cause of its mystic ambient an strange look (regarding 70th cardesigns) an all this.

I just like to have some other opinions that state that i'm not the fool i sometimes feel like when riding this car straight away of the track (esecially upsidedown or back first or how ever you would say "Arsch vorraus" )

 

[2cam16]

Easy with @shaunm80 Dino tune. Thanks!

 

[Dalone]

well life without laughter is dull, especially here in the darkness heheh...



Yeah that elias guys is pretty damn tough and I think I'm currently just fastestt scandinavian taking PART in to this TT but thanks anyway just did over two hour stint and I was JUST about to give it up for today and look what happened

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I had a really good lap going on but at the bottom of the hill on those two right hand turns I go bit sideways and I'm also about to hit that right wall under the bridge for the rear is sliding waay too much (not at all would've been nice ) heheh, never the less it's shared 11th place ATM not bad at all 👍



SoW is Streets of Willow



I have only made 3rd gear longer so that I don't have to go to 4th gear before that hairpin on the top of the hill, it doesn't change much, but after getting used to it I've liked it... Going under the bridge I try to stay on 2nd gear, if it seems like the car won't turn in I drop quickly to 1st and shift right back up so that the rear doesn't slide too much 👍 today I also figured that I can just floor it trough that chicane/jump if the lines is just right, also when the line is right all you have to do is start braking as soon as the car hits the tarmac and the just smoothly steer the car down the hill and in to the hairpin, good luck mate 👍

EDIT: oh yeah beatiful time you have there @Ed_Night Just squeeze in bit better firts sector and you'll be down at 44.5 👍 hehehe, and I know you herd this many times, but doing such times on controller is remarkable I bet you could be a surgeon with such a sensitive fingers good luck herr Ed

Yep, I rememberd from the last race here that you should keep the pedal to the metal "through that chicane/jump if the lines is just right" and then start braking immediately on landing.

 

[CBH]

Yep, I rememberd from the last race here that you should keep the pedal to the metal "through that chicane/jump if the lines is just right" and then start braking immediately on landing.

Start braking immediately on landing, thanks for the tip mate 👍.

 

[Dalone]

Start braking immediately on landing, thanks for the tip mate 👍.

It seems OBD recently worked that out too, quote;

"today I also figured that I can just floor it trough that chicane/jump if the lines is just right, also when the line is right all you have to do is start braking as soon as the car hits the tarmac and the just smoothly steer the car down the hill and in to the hairpin, good luck mate"

 

[CBH]

It seems OBD recently worked that out too, quote;

"today I also figured that I can just floor it trough that chicane/jump if the lines is just right, also when the line is right all you have to do is start braking as soon as the car hits the tarmac and the just smoothly steer the car down the hill and in to the hairpin, good luck mate"

Thanks, I have lost count on how many times I have lost control after going over the jump.

 

[ODB]

Heh well it's quite precise line that you have to be on to make the jump full speed, funny thing but it was on this track few years a go when I discovered this online TT thing, car was honda s2000 and IIRC I placed in top 400 or so and got really freaking excited about it thing just is that after that I've never driven TT's at this track too much so that there's been few things to learn... But yeah, flooring trough that chicane coming from the right line just makes it pretty simple for if and when you get it right all you have to do is just start braking when the car hits the ground... Ok I'm simplifying it quite much for it's really trick place, but in principle all you need is right line and speed when approaching...

 

[Dalone]

Thanks, I have lost count on how many times I have lost control after going over the jump.

Happens to us all, no one would get it 100% right every time. I probably make it about 50% of the time.

 

[ODB]

Happens

Happens to us all, no one would get it 100% right every time. I probably make it about 50% of the time.

Yeah it can go wrong in many many ways, and the next corner after that hairpin is really freaking hard so nailing that jump is one thing, but keeping it together for the rest of the lap is the challenge... But yeah, the jump tends to go wrong sometimes even when on good line so good luck guys, this track has places that are really unpredictable when trying to hit them fast as you can (first chicane uphill example) but on the other hand that also makes this really interesting track to drive... so yeah, good luck guys, the tune @Doodle posted really is freaking amazing and I really have to give it few more tries next week for this car is actually quite nice to drive when you get hang of it 👍

 

[bone_tone]

Yeah it can go wrong in many many ways, and the next corner after that hairpin is really freaking hard so nailing that jump is one thing, but keeping it together for the rest of the lap is the challenge... But yeah, the jump tends to go wrong sometimes even when on good line so good luck guys, this track has places that are really unpredictable when trying to hit them fast as you can (first chicane uphill example) but on the other hand that also makes this really interesting track to drive... so yeah, good luck guys, the tune @Doodle posted really is freaking amazing and I really have to give it few more tries next week for this car is actually quite nice to drive when you get hang of it 👍

Getting it wrong can help you - I was behind my ghost, lost control in a big way after the jump, struggled to brake down the hill, and the car shot, out of control still, round the left hander at the bottom well in front of the ghost. Result, 1.5 seconds off my previous best time.........

Bet I couldn't do it again!

 

[Kossie]

Those tires man ..... F * cked slippery

 

[ODB]

Getting it wrong can help you - I was behind my ghost, lost control in a big way after the jump, struggled to brake down the hill, and the car shot, out of control still, round the left hander at the bottom well in front of the ghost. Result, 1.5 seconds off my previous best time.........

Bet I couldn't do it again!

Hehehe, well yeah, on my current record lap I come down bit sideways and I just happen to have really good speed on coming in to the hairpin... But yeah, flooring trough the chicane and braking when landing is the best I've come up with, this track really is not ideal for TT's for this jump alone makes it bit too unpredictable...

I don't know, just saw this and the downhill jump came to mind for some reason

 

[RxLaMont]

Wow, what a neurotic event THIS one is! First, with due respect to our Euro friends, all these cars are dog feces especially with Poly instituting their special "tail waggle" algorithm to make the cars snap oversteer. I know the fast dudes are using the Dino, but I couldn't make it work at all (not even with a huge wing); used a couple different tunes, all garbage for me. Same for the Stratos, which I've never been able to drive anyway!

Out of desperation, I pulled out a car I truly despise, the Alfa Romeo Giula Sprint GTA, lightened it up, low turbo, mid-grade engine tune, custom susp that I tightened up by bumping everything to about 75% of max, just kind of guessing, you know? Hoping I'd kind of be close.

2nd lap 2.00.113! Gold. My jaw dropped. Very little oversteer, pretty stable on the long fast downhill, just be careful if braking mid-corner, like a Sunday drive with the mother-in-law in back (gagged & trussed in the trunk but along for the ride, lol).

I also tried:
Elan S1'62 - "lotus handling" absent with the tail happy algorithm
2002 BMW '73 - spins tires uphill with LDS, then spins car on turning even with AIDS turned on
Mini Marcos GT '70 - driveable at least! Got 2.04.999 & Silver, but there wasn't 4 seconds more in it for me

Just for giggles, I took these cars into arcade mode on this track, and it was kind of fun with the rear end planted. Poly's algorithm ruined this one for me, but I got the Dome Zero, so I'm good to the next one.

 

[MMFC58]

The setup makes a huge difference over the jump. I had my own setup in the Dino and I made it through the jump 1 out of 10 times. Could not keep it in line to save my life. Best time was a 49.2. One of those glad I made it laps. Put in Doodles tune and suddenly I could touch the curbs with the back just slightly stepping out in a reasonably controllable fashion but more importantly I could now land the jump 9 out of 10 times!
Thanks Doodle for saving my sanity! Good for a 147.066

 

[MidnightRun85]

Pulled off a 1:59:7xx in my Alpine. Good enough for a gold and another Dome (already had one). Back to career mode to get International A finished up and get Super unlocked.

 

[Nihamavasa72]

Back to career mode to get International A finished up and get Super unlocked

Good Luck

 

[MidnightRun85]

Thanks! Been struggling to find the time to sit down and run all the series races. Also can't seem to master the Nascar races, even slightly!

 

[Doodle]

Did a 3 hour session today, only improved by .004 to just barely squeeze myself between HansDampf and kilou. Like seriously the battle for 2nd is real

 

[ODB]

Did a 3 hour session today, only improved by .004 to just barely squeeze myself between HansDampf and kilou. Like seriously the battle for 2nd is real

Hahahah that is honestly freaking amazing

 

[TRL_Andromeda]

We know Elias is gonna come and push us both down in the last days of the TT.

Yeah that elias guys is pretty damn tough

You called?
And yeah, did a few laps today, very frustrating.
Gonna try to improve soon, 44.3 for now, can see another 2 tenths I think.

edit: best sectors would land a 43.6, but man its frustarating, especially the downhill braking bit.

edit2: 44.0, done for today, bunch of friends barched in and ruined my concentration.

edit3: managed to get 1'st for now, but this track is seriously difficult to string togehter, there is still plenty of time to find.

 

[Doodle]

I'm so done. L-Shooter just pulls a 1:43.309 out of nothing

 

[TRL LIGHTNING]

This is my lap but unfortunately not WR :/
(I've lost the time on the last two sectors...)