450PP Non-Racing car Super Lap - Tsukuba Circuit

[DTM]

Everything is the same, except both dampers are running at 2/2, toe angle is -0.15/-0.05, and the LSD is at 5/33/10

Thanks i will try it

 

[JaseScott]

FD2R 1:04:876

 

[Dalone]

I too am using mostly et's tune, (1:01.3) albeit with Doodles changes, however I find that controlling wheelspin/slip is better when using -ballast, about -8 to -12, especially for the last righthander.

That's using the buttons on a controller, which don't allow for fine throttle control.

 

[Woodski_427]

Got gold with the 83 Silvia RS. Quite a challenge! I used @Johnnypenso tune, with adjusted FD and a small amount of camber added. 1:06.4

 

[Schadenfreude13]

I'm just curious if anyone's using TCS on this? I tried WhoosierGirls GSX/R setup with TCS off. Posted a pretty decent time (1:02/3) within a few laps. Tried to push a little harder and span out a few times before calling it a night. I watched a couple of the top ten replays and noticed those guys all seemed to have way more traction in the corners than I did, and were carrying more speed. Thoughts?

 

[et_]

I'm just curious if anyone's using TCS on this? I tried WhoosierGirls GSX/R setup with TCS off. Posted a pretty decent time (1:02/3) within a few laps. Tried to push a little harder and span out a few times before calling it a night. I watched a couple of the top ten replays and noticed those guys all seemed to have way more traction in the corners than I did, and were carrying more speed. Thoughts?

That is the result of gentle throttle control and exact steering inputs. which comes with practice. All top players uses 0 TCS but some use AS. and most of the tunes used at the top is in the OP (mine, Rajman's, Doodle's, and Whogirl's)

 

[Schadenfreude13]

That is the result of gentle throttle control and exact steering inputs. which comes with practice. All top players uses 0 TCS but some use AS. and most of the tunes used at the top is in the OP (mine, Rajman's, Doodle's, and Whogirl's)

Thanks for the feedback Elias. More incentive to ditch my DFGT for a G27. I feel like I'm at the limit of what I can achieve in the precise throttle control department.

 

[Roweer1]

Hi my setup for DS3 users

450PP/193HP

Weight: 837kg +197/postion +8

Suspension:
90/80
3.56/6.10
1/1
1/1
7/7
-0.10/0.35

LSD:
10/40/7

Gearbox:
VMax: 180 4.300
1/4.615
2/3.555
3/2.839
4/2.353
5/2.000
6/1.756

Downforce: +20
Brakes: 5/5 or 5/4

00,200 is possible on this setup

Hi Rajman!
As a DS3driver, I would like to try your setup -but i can't seem to get to your PP-/HP-/Weightvalues. May i ask what powerinstallations you have?

 

[nowcontrol]

I would like to try your setup -but i can't seem to get to your PP-/HP-/Weightvalues.

I think his car may possibly have very high mileage [6200+] without oil change, that's the only way I could see it getting 450pp with 193bhp@837kg.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

I think his car may possibly have very high mileage [6200+] without oil change, that's the only way I could see it getting 450pp with 193bhp@837kg.

I just watched his replay and his oil light was not on indicating dirty oil so that's not the case. I have no idea how he got those numbers though. The highest mine goes is 191hp @840kg.

 

[nowayback]

Probably the difference between hp and bhp, I remember when I would lend my car in GT5 to someone who had hp it would always show more then my bhp .

Conversion is around 1.0134 ....193/1.0134 = 190.4

Now if you are both using HP..then its something else

 

[nowcontrol]

The highest mine goes is 191hp @840kg.

That's all I get too. We'll have to wait for his reply to get the answer then.

 

[Peasantslayer]

Welcome back to the time trial scene!

Cheers, I don't have the motivation I used to. I don't want to look at the leaderboard again until the TT ends otherwise I'll be wasting days trying to climb back up. How time flies eh? Less than a year before you can have a crack at GT Academy.

 

[CBH]

I'm just curious if anyone's using TCS on this? I tried WhoosierGirls GSX/R setup with TCS off. Posted a pretty decent time (1:02/3) within a few laps. Tried to push a little harder and span out a few times before calling it a night. I watched a couple of the top ten replays and noticed those guys all seemed to have way more traction in the corners than I did, and were carrying more speed. Thoughts?

I am using a G27 with no TCS and I also use left foot braking helps a lot and I am trail braking into the corners as it keeps the speed up as well that's why times are coming down.
My time now is 1:01.627 and thanks to et_ tune But I only change the LSD 20/14/5.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Probably the difference between hp and bhp, I remember when I would lend my car in GT5 to someone who had hp it would always show more then my bhp .

Conversion is around 1.0134 ....193/1.0134 = 190.4

Now if you are both using HP..then its something else

Good point, I hadn't considered that. 👍

 

[Dalone]

That is the result of gentle throttle control and exact steering inputs. which comes with practice. All top players uses 0 TCS but some use AS. and most of the tunes used at the top is in the OP (mine, Rajman's, Doodle's, and Whogirl's)

Agree with that. However for those of us using a controller, and especially for those of us using the buttons, fine throttle control is beyond our reach, the tap tap tap just doesn't cut it in many situations, so TC1 or 2 is often beneficial when the job can't be done with LSD alone.
I achieved my best time using TC1 and so tried no TC and was managing pretty well, but on this relatively short, twisty track where one must not lose even a hundredth of a second coming out of a corner, I found a single mistake with the throttle cost me too much time.
So I'll stick with TC1 on this one for my best times, while also trying other LSD setups.

Also, is it only me, or my game/TV? Yesterday when I played it was overcast and today it is sunny in the game and the same happened previously, one day sunny and the next overcast.
Anyone else noticed this or is it just me/mine?

 

[Tyger]

Sticking with my usual plan of using stock cars/tunings only, managed to eventually get gold with the Vauxhall VX220 Turbo, after some persistence, as hard to rein in that snap oversteer out of the bends. Was then surprised to find a lot of cars with more PP such as the Delta and Acura NSX seemed a fair bit slower, so tried an Elise and fairly quickly managed 1:04-odd for a top 5000 time. My usual set up of DS3, TCS and all aids at 0 except ABS at 1.

Need to check if the VX220 and Elise had oil changes, and the exact Elise model...will edit this

 

[MisterWeary]

Sticking with my usual plan of using stock cars/tunings only...

You may also enjoy this thread then 👍

 

[et_]

Agree with that. However for those of us using a controller, and especially for those of us using the buttons, fine throttle control is beyond our reach, the tap tap tap just doesn't cut it in many situations, so TC1 or 2 is often beneficial when the job can't be done with LSD alone.
I achieved my best time using TC1 and so tried no TC and was managing pretty well, but on this relatively short, twisty track where one must not lose even a hundredth of a second coming out of a corner, I found a single mistake with the throttle cost me too much time.
So I'll stick with TC1 on this one for my best times, while also trying other LSD setups.

That is a correct analysis, however some (crank + Samurai405) have found a way to master that kind of throttle control on a DS3. How they manage it is beyond my understanding tho.

edit, thanks @Roweer1 for the help with samurai name

 

[Roweer1]

That is a correct analysis, however some (crank + that japanese guy whatever his name is) have found a way to master that kind of throttle control on a DS3. How they manage it is beyond my understanding tho.

That would be Samurai405. "tap till you grip" i'd call it -and i think even us earthlings sometimes experience the effect of increasingly fast tappings making the car "dig" in and gaining an early grip. At least that's what i THINK i had a few moments of in the last Suzuki-TT(!) at Bathurst. But i think -to make use of it @Dalone, you would have to dispose of TC. Btw: If you look in the thread of formentioned TT, you will see that the change of weather has been noticed before. I made a post (#143) about it and got a few replies, suggesting it's even older (post 1.09?). But the replies -thankfully- also suggested there seems to be no change in track conditions when weather conditions change.

Anyway knowing no better, i bought Sports Computer and Semi racing exhaust, set the power limiter to 98,2 and Applied @GT_Rajman's setup, though max'ing ballast to 200kg. I have 450PP at 190 BHP(!)-and 840kg. So either way, it doesn't quite fit Rajman's values. But when setting the transmission, my upgrades seems to fit (lowest possible value for 1'st gear is the value, required for the setup).

Within an hour i got a 1.00.918 with it......so thats nice!

 

[et_]

That would be Samurai405. "tap till you grip" i'd call it -and i think even us earthlings sometimes experience the effect of increasingly fast tappings making the car "dig" in and gaining an early grip. At least that's what i THINK i had a few moments of in the last Suzuki-TT(!) at Bathurst. But i think -to make use of it @Dalone, you would have to dispose of TC. Btw: If you look in the thread of formentioned TT, you will see that the change of weather has been noticed before. I made a post (#143) about it and got a few replies, suggesting it's even older (post 1.09?). But the replies -thankfully- also suggested there seems to be no change in track conditions according to weather conditions...

Anyway knowing no better, i bought Sports Computer and Semi racing exhaust, set the power limiter to 98,2 and Applied @GT_Rajman's setup, though max'ing ballast to 200kg. I have 450PP at 190 BHP(!)-and 840kg. So either way, it doesn't quite fit Rajman's values. But when setting the transmission, my upgrades seems to fit (lowest possible value for 1'st gear is the value, required for the setup).

Within an hour i got a 1.00.918 with it......so thats nice!

Rajman uses HP, and you use BHP, there is a slight difference.
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...ap-tsukuba-circuit.314552/page-4#post-9942516

 

[Racin510s]

That is a correct analysis, however some (crank + Samurai405) have found a way to master that kind of throttle control on a DS3. How they manage it is beyond my understanding tho.

edit, thanks @Roweer1 for the help with samurai name

You use the right joystick for throttle and brake. It takes the same finess using the left joystick to steer. I drove like that before I got a DFGT. Even with the DFGT I still have problems with throttle control.

 

[Roweer1]

Rajman uses HP, and you use BHP, there is a slight difference.

I know (hence the exclamationmark) but it doesn't quite add up when you consider weight aswell -i think..

 

[Dalone]

That is a correct analysis, however some (crank + Samurai405) have found a way to master that kind of throttle control on a DS3. How they manage it is beyond my understanding tho.

edit, thanks @Roweer1 for the help with samurai name

I found Crank OK but couldn't find (or missed) Samurai, but I see Crank uses the sticks on the DS3 whereas I use the buttons, and there is a world of difference between the two.
And it has already been pointed out by someone on a different thread that I can't complain if I use the buttons as I could use the sticks or buy a good wheel.
True, however I'm an old dog who has no intention anymore of trying to learn any new tricks, after all, I've used the buttons since it first started.
Furthermore I am not complaining, I totally accept the disadvantage of my way of driving, I just look for tunes or parts of tunes which I find helpful.
On that note I have found that raising the front spring pressure quite a lot helps to stop the car from oversteering (when it keeps going in the direction you turned but fails to straighten up when you stop turning, think that's oversteer).
Haven't tried it on the rear yet.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Agree with that. However for those of us using a controller, and especially for those of us using the buttons, fine throttle control is beyond our reach, the tap tap tap just doesn't cut it in many situations, so TC1 or 2 is often beneficial when the job can't be done with LSD alone.
I achieved my best time using TC1 and so tried no TC and was managing pretty well, but on this relatively short, twisty track where one must not lose even a hundredth of a second coming out of a corner, I found a single mistake with the throttle cost me too much time.
So I'll stick with TC1 on this one for my best times, while also trying other LSD setups.

Also, is it only me, or my game/TV? Yesterday when I played it was overcast and today it is sunny in the game and the same happened previously, one day sunny and the next overcast.
Anyone else noticed this or is it just me/mine?

No, its not you, your game or TV as I have noticed the same thing too. I've noticed it here and at Tsukaba also. I've just started noticing it myself the last few days or so therefore I really couldn't say with any kind of certainty if this affects the grip levels or not. Maybe someone who has been paying closer attention to this can give a more definite answer as to if it affects the grip levels but just casually playing, I haven't noticed one way or the other.

 

[CBH]

Agree with that. However for those of us using a controller, and especially for those of us using the buttons, fine throttle control is beyond our reach, the tap tap tap just doesn't cut it in many situations, so TC1 or 2 is often beneficial when the job can't be done with LSD alone.
I achieved my best time using TC1 and so tried no TC and was managing pretty well, but on this relatively short, twisty track where one must not lose even a hundredth of a second coming out of a corner, I found a single mistake with the throttle cost me too much time.
So I'll stick with TC1 on this one for my best times, while also trying other LSD setups.

Also, is it only me, or my game/TV? Yesterday when I played it was overcast and today it is sunny in the game and the same happened previously, one day sunny and the next overcast.
Anyone else noticed this or is it just me/mine?

Yes I have notice that one day it is sunny and the next it maybe overcast Dalone and I was hoping the track to be faster when the sun is out rather than when it is overcast.

 

[Roweer1]

I didn't think you were complaining @Dalone

As far as i know (feel free to correct me) the trick that CRANK_U1 and samurai405 does, is a TAPPING of the throttle. It should therefore be obtainable with button-throttle...

 

[Roweer1]

No, its not you, your game or TV as I have noticed the same thing too. I've noticed it here and at Tsukaba also. I've just started noticing it myself the last few days or so therefore I really couldn't say with any kind of certainty if this affects the grip levels or not. Maybe someone who has been paying closer attention to this can give a more definite answer as to if it affects the grip levels but just casually playing, I haven't noticed one way or the other.

In the TT at Bathurst i actually made my post about this because i seemed to be easily catching my overcast-ghost when driving in sunny conditions. A couple of replies -one of which was Crank -who should be able to feel a difference, made me believe that there was probably nothing to it.

 

[CBH]

In the TT at Bathurst i actually made my post about this because i seemed to be easily catching my overcast-ghost when driving in sunny conditions. A couple of replies -one of which was Crank -who should be able to feel a difference, made me believe that there was probably nothing to it.

When I got my best time it was sunny yesterday and then when I go on the TT today it is overcast now I can not get anywhere near my ghost I wonder is there difference in the weather ?

 

[Roweer1]

When I got my best time it was sunny yesterday and then when I go on the TT today it is overcast now I can not get anywhere near my ghost I wonder is there difference in the weather ?

Well perhaps this question isn't quite closed yet after all. I will add that i did find it perculiar that all 10 top times at Bathurst were set in sunny or ultra light clouded conditions...