450pp Street Car Tuners Club -- Nightly 9:45-12:00 EDT

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As for Fuji. The fastest line is pretty wide, especially through the last two turns. Turn 4-5 (the long right hander) is tough in cars that have no down force. You have to guess the right speed that your tires can hold for the whole turn and if you guess wrong you will have to brake. Turn 6, the following left, I always overshoot, but rarely does anyone get a jump on me. The hairpin was where I was braking very early...which is why you tapped me. I stop braking completely before turn-in so I can slingshot through the chicane at almost full throttle. Then there are the blind turns that are very difficult to figure out in this game. I always use this video as a guide for how to carve out those final turns. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjvDuNNtdv4
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I meant wide as in missing the apex. Yes, on some corners, you apex late, but he was just missing apexes everywhere. Even drafting him, he was faster than me on the straights. I was able to stay ahead of him because he kept messing up the corners.

I hit the brakes too late for the hairpin. I usually brake early, too. I just had a mental lapse. But yes, Fuji is a place that I don't use a lot of trail braking.
 
Okay, so the only car that I have that I feel really is successful is the Cone Killers RX-8. I've been trying to tune another car, just to learn how to do it, hoping it would help me learn more about the suspension and driving in general.

I've been working on an S15. I tweak a bit, and it feels better, and it goes faster. I tweak a bit more, and then feel like I have to go back and retweak the first part. And then tweak a third thing, and have to go back and retweak the first two. Then, 90 minutes later, I have to stop. I pick it back up a few days later, and have to start all over again.

And while I do make it slightly faster, it doesn't keep getting faster with each tweak. And it never gets as fast as the RX-8.

There is a little QuickTune spreadsheet roaming about. I have messed with that. And I'm trying to understand what about the RX-8 tune I like. So I'm trying to compare the Cone Killer tune to what QuickTune suggests. I decided to run a test last night, trying to distill what I like about that tune so I can apply it to others.

First, I ran some laps in the Cone Killer tune to set a base line. Then I thought I would run some laps with the standard transmission, LSD, and suspension, and then run some lap with those set up as suggested by QuickTune.

I was faster with the standard transmission/LSD/suspension than I was with the Cone Killer tune!!!

That just threw everything out the window.

Now, the car doesn't feel a tight, but it did go around faster. I'm wondering if maybe the Cone Killer LSD settings are what are slowing me down and not the suspension. I'll have to play with that and see, but I've learned two things:

1) I still don't know anything about how to get a suspension where I want it. I do know what I like, I just don't know how to get it there.

2) I think Huyler is right. Car selection is most of it. In fact, it may simply be impossible for a modest (i.e. crappy) driver like me to get something like the S15 to be as fast as an RX-8. At each PP level, there are just a few select cars that are fast, and even if I don't like them, I should stick only to them.
 
I'm just going to leave this here and say I wish we could do stuff like this in GT5.

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dabneyd
I'm just going to leave this here and say I wish we could do stuff like this in GT5.
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Yes, well, you know someone would just put "bum titty wee wee" on the side of their car. With the livery editor I'm surprised Forza still got a PEGI 3.

Maybe it is just considered part of online and that isn't rated.
 
k_riens
fify

Sam doesn't need any more advertising.

I brew my own. That's part of my IPA label.

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Sweet jesus, I want nothing to do with a call center unless there's beer. Pales and IPAs are all I've been drinking lately.

Edit: Comic sans, really?
 
Yes really.

I was in a hurry. I had beer to drink.


I've been drinking wheat beers lately. They ferment really quick, and are cloudy, which means I don't have to wait for the yeast to drop out. I can get a batch ready in a week and a half, less if I crank up the CO2.

Batch = 10 gallons.
 
First and foremost, study up on it. Familiarize yourself with what's happening, and then go for it. It is so easy, and beats the snot out of barbecuing when it comes to manly cooking.

Then you'll need to be able to boil it. Unused turkey fryer is an ok first option.

You'll also need to cool it down from boiling to yeast pitching temps quickly. There are multiple equipment options out there, I use a copper immersion chiller, but I started out with an ice bath.

You'll need to ferment it in a sanitized vessel. Again many options for that, I use the old tried and true glass carboy.

After fermentation is complete, you'll need to store it. I started out with bottles, but moved to a kegging set-up. Less cleaning and sanitizing, plus the ability to force-carb by increasing CO2.



John Palmer has the first edition of his how to book online (minus the recipies) here

http://www.howtobrew.com/intro.html

If Palmer is to dry and scientisty find a copy of "The Complete Joy of Home Brewing" by Charlie Papazian

Some starter kits, great way to get all those little odds and ends.

http://morebeer.com/search/102142/beerwinecoffee/coffeewinebeer/Personal_Home_Brewery_Equipment_Kits

Best damn source of homebrew info on the net here. The Sunday Session podcasts are a wealth of info, and if those asshats can brew good beer, anyone can.

http://www.thebrewingnetwork.com/
 
awesome! how much space is required? Im in an apartment right now, but we do have a garage and a decent amount of storage space.
 
That depends on how creative you are. I'm building a three tier, gravity fed, all-grain brewing rig that breaks down. The biggest pieces will be the pots and ice-chest mashtun which will stack in a corner of the garage.

Other than that, a glass carboy is roughly the same size as a water cooler bottle. An ale or a hefe ferments at room temperature (70's). So all you need is room in the closet or somplace similar.

A 5 gallon batch will make roughly 50-55 12 ounce bottles, so you'll need space to stash a couple cases of bottles, or better yet a little kegerator using 5 gallon corny kegs.
 
Good battle between Nic and I at SSR5-R. I had ABS off so there was quite a bit of tire smoke.



And another battle from GT300 night. Nic was in a tuned '08 Scubie and I was in an untuned '03. He had way more speed entering the back straight. Got major lag on the last lap when he spun in front of me. Nice save!

 
Yes, I had to lift off and correct my line at 3:20 and it killed my momentum for passing you on the back straight. I'm not even sure I would be able to pass you though. Without any camber I was too slow through that turn before the straight. Everywhere else I was keeping pace.
 
I wish Forza was available on the PS3. I just can't justify another console system for one game.


Last night I spent some time trying to get familiar with ABS=0. I was going to tune my 97 MR2 GTS at TGTT but it didn't go so well.

I started with the car on CS tires and even with ABS=1 and BB at 5/5 the car had snap oversteer the second I touched the brake pedal for turn 1. I finally got control of it with ABS=1 and BB at 5/2. When I switched to ABS=0 it was a nightmare. I tried all sorts of settings but never got the car to feel comfortable. My goal was to get a good feel for the car in stock trim then upgrade to SS tires and retweak the suspension. I don't know though. I don't think the physics model can handle ABS=0 on anything but racing tires....or maybe I just need to pick a different car to play with.
 
lol...but that would take away from racing games, dibbity-dabbles.

I'm in for some racing tonight - whos gonna be around ?
 
Ehh, I only play FPS on the PC with a mouse. I played Left4Dead2 to death last year but eventually got bored with it. Just like GT5, it can be very difficult to get a good game going...and when you do it usually only lasts about 10-15 minutes before someone rage quits.
 
pyxen
lol...but that would take away from racing games, dibbity-dabbles.

I'm in for some racing tonight - whos gonna be around ?
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Have you played Trials HD? Kinda a race game.
 
Havent tried Trials HD, nope...i go between GT5 and Rocksmith right now...if I'm not racing tonight, I might try out the Killzone 3 multiplayer mode.

I'd rock out, but lent my patch cord to a buddy who needed a 2nd..
 
chuyler1
I wish Forza was available on the PS3. I just can't justify another console system for one game.
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Fyi: I read the new Xbox should be coming 2nd quarter of next year. The parts for it are already in production.

13-15 months may seem a ways away now, but what is your reaction going to be when the new one comes out shortly after you pick up the current one.
 
My reaction will be "good thing I didn't waste money on an XBOX back in January". ...but I likely still won't get one. I'll just wait for GT6 and maybe pick up a used copy of NFS:S2 if I get bored. I heard the physics aren't as good, but at least I'll have fresh tracks to race on.
 
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