4K resolution?

[Samus]

Well it must do if you think $5000 for a TV is something anybody can afford. That's three months wages or more for most working class people.

I didn't say 4K wasn't here, I said 4k HDTV is not coming, as in a TV broadcast format.

Also I'm talking about mainstream adoption here, HDTV as we know it now has been around since the late eighties and early ninties, it wasn't widely adopted until the early 2000s though.

 

[freshseth83]

It doesn't matter which definition you were talking about, honestly. They're both wrong. You can relate to the BBC, can you not? They're involved with forms of 4K broadcasting. As is South Korea. 2014s World Cup will be broadcast in UHD in Japan. In the Autumn Sony will release 4K content to their media servers. Then Apple TV is already believed to be 4K, which will use some form of content that needs to be either preloaded or streamed if it wants to survive.

 

[Metfanant]

be happy with a solid 1080p/60fps...that is going to be the sweet spot this generation...with the graphical improvements...

4K is here...and its here to stay IMO...its the natural progression of resolution..though idk if ill be buying my Blu-ray collection all over again in 4k lol...

now this generation of consoles (PS4 and Xbone) simply don't have the hardware grunt to push what we consider "next gen" graphics at 4k resolution...

my concern for 4k however is the relatively low adoption rate for 3d...ESPN is shutting down its ESPN3D by the end of 2013 because it doesn't make sense financially anymore...that is not a good sign IMO...

they are shifting their focus to 4k content...but at the same time who knows how that will look 3-4 years from now..

when i finally do decide to upgrade my 67" LED DLP 3d Samsung...it will be a 4k set of comparable size...but im hoping for a few more years out of my trusty Sammy...

 

[Samus]

You're talking about special events and one offs in terms of broadcasting. The BBC showed some of the 2012 Olympics in 8k but that's of no use to a consumer buying a TV in the next couple of years, regular broadcasting will not be 4k or 8k for many years even if they're shooting things in that resolution. That's the point I'm making here, a consumer wanting to buy a TV needs reason to do so and a bit of content here and there isn't going to be enough, not combined with the other viewing/size/price issues.

Oh and Sony's 4K media player currently only works with Sony UHDTV's. Great if you buy one of those, not so great if you buy one of those Seiki's.

 

[freshseth83]

You're looking at it from a shallow standpoint, again. This is where the knowledge of the filming side of Sony comes in. Many of the most popular shows are already filming with Sony UHD cameras, Sony studios, Sony FILMS etc. The Hobbit was actually filmed in 5K. Cable/Satellite companies are able to put out this resolution with their current infrastructure as well thanks to HEVC. This will also help with Blu-Ray's being 4K. ALL it takes is the push that a big film industry wants to be that 4K leader. Look at it now and see it in the beginning stages, just like the SDTV-HDTV, it took a push to get it there.

 

[Imari]

Rich? You don't have to be rich to buy a $5k TV bud.

Wow. What sort of life do you have that dropping $5k on a TV isn't a MAJOR purchase?

 

[Metfanant]

You're looking at it from a shallow standpoint, again. This is where the knowledge of the filming side of Sony comes in. Many of the most popular shows are already filming with Sony UHD cameras, Sony studios, Sony FILMS etc. The Hobbit was actually filmed in 5K. Cable/Satellite companies are able to put out this resolution with their current infrastructure as well thanks to HEVC. This will also help with Blu-Ray's being 4K. ALL it takes is the push that a big film industry wants to be that 4K leader. Look at it now and see it in the beginning stages, just like the SDTV-HDTV, it took a push to get it there.

yes cable companies are CAPABLE of broadcasting in 4k...however they are not yet willing to cough up the bandwidth for 1080p yet!...

Telecom's broadcast in 720p/1080i right now...you think they are just goint to open the bandwidth floodgates to 4k across the board??...come on...

 

[Samus]

You're looking at it from a shallow standpoint, again. This is where the knowledge of the filming side of Sony comes in. Many of the most popular shows are already filming with Sony UHD cameras, Sony studios, Sony FILMS etc. The Hobbit was actually filmed in 5K. Cable/Satellite companies are able to put out this resolution with their current infrastructure as well thanks to HEVC. This will also help with Blu-Ray's being 4K. ALL it takes is the push that a big film industry wants to be that 4K leader. Look at it now and see it in the beginning stages, just like the SDTV-HDTV, it took a push to get it there.

Yes I agree on that, all I'm saying is it's not going to become widespread and adopted in the next couple of years. Not until the price of the sets come down a long way and the content actually is there. Maybe 5 years, maybe 10.

Anyway since this discussion has nothing to do with GT6 and ergo is very off topic let's leave it there.

 

[Streeto]

Wow. What sort of life do you have that dropping $5k on a TV isn't a MAJOR purchase?

Whoever spends $5k on something as materialistic as a TV is certainly not your average citizen.

That's several months rent for most people.

I'm sorry but "freshseth83" you must be trolling, or delusional.

 

[freshseth83]

Wow. What sort of life do you have that dropping $5k on a TV isn't a MAJOR purchase?

Whoever spends $5k on something as materialistic as a TV is certainly not your average citizen.

That's several months rent for most people... I'm a troll, delusional blah blah blah

Wow, who buys TV's as often as you're suggesting?

yes cable companies are CAPABLE of broadcasting in 4k...however they are not yet willing to cough up the bandwidth for 1080p yet!...

Telecom's broadcast in 720p/1080i right now...you think they are just goint to open the bandwidth floodgates to 4k across the board??...come on...

Thats the point of the HEVC. Look it up, it's not as complicated as people think.

 

[Streeto]

Wow, who buys TV's as often as you're suggesting?

Oh my... US education system shining through...

I'm trying to say that, to the average person, $5k is a hefty chunk of their salary, of which they would not go spending on a leisure item unless they had no sense of monetary value or management.

To throw down $5k on something you don't need and not be financially hurt, you would have to be what most consider to be "rich".

Unless you're one of those stupid people that gets into mountains of debt and just puts everything on your credit card...

 

[Tornado]

You don't have to be rich to drop 5k on a TV?

 

[Northstar]

It doesn't matter which definition you were talking about, honestly. They're both wrong. You can relate to the BBC, can you not? They're involved with forms of 4K broadcasting. As is South Korea. 2014s World Cup will be broadcast in UHD in Japan. In the Autumn Sony will release 4K content to their media servers. Then Apple TV is already believed to be 4K, which will use some form of content that needs to be either preloaded or streamed if it wants to survive.

All that sounds a lot like the things people said when home 3D was the big thing, which is now pretty much dead(ESPN is ending their 3D channel and there was little 3D at the CES).

Granted I'm not saying 4K will suffer the same fate, but I'd imagine most people would have a hard time seeing the benefits over their current HDTV.

 

[Azuremen]

Oh my... US education system shining through...

This has nothing to do with the US Education System, and Japan certainly has no room to talk about education given the amount of misinformation that educate as fact.

Moving on, $5,000 on a luxury item is a pretty unusual for the average person. Hell, most people won't spend $1,000 on a TV, let alone 5 times that.

 

[Imari]

Wow, who buys TV's as often as you're suggesting?

How often was I suggesting? ONCE at $5k a pop would be too many times for most people.

Random normal TV is what, $400~500? A tenth the price. Random normal car is what, $15k? Do you buy $150k cars and claim that everyone else should be able to afford that too?

 

[Lord Protector]

Imo, consoles will never be able to play games in 4K... Why? it's really simple, in 2014 we're gonna have PS4s with a midend HW, which may run some games in 4K at start, but won't, because there is a minimum of 4K TVs.

Later, the games will evolve, have a better physics and graphics and PS4's HW will just not be able to play a game in 4K because of heavy performance decreasing physics and graphics.

The games will be just getting better and better which will make 4K not a real thing on a midend HW.

Basically my point is that you need a high end PC for 4K gaming not a 400€ console. Or even 500 for the xbone

 

[avens]

Wow, who buys TV's as often as you're suggesting?

Sure anyone can buy a 5k good, but the vast majority of people prefer that money going into having a place where to sleep, a car, savings, investing or overall living life. No sane person will spend that on a TV before owning at least one very nice house (a million and onwards), all what he wanted and life sorted out, which is, you know, rich.

If money isn't a concern what happens is that very few of those people will dish out 5k on a single TV, because $1,000 gets you a very good one and with $400 you get the current highest standard. More than $2,000 is enthusiast only, so it's having money to waste (because it is wasting it) and caring enough to buy one, and you are talking about $5,000, almost car money.

Do you have a US$5,000 TV? This could go into the ludicrous claims thread.
How much do you think those TV sell?
How many people do you think have all the necessary components for watching 4k@60fps on their TV? We are talking hundreds here, not thousands.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I think 4K will likely go the way of 3D TV. It's just not a big enough advancement over a traditional HDTV to warrant scrapping your perfectly good HDTV to get it, especially at current prices. The leap from analog to digital to HDTV was huge. The leap from 27" CRT to big, wide screens was huge. This, not so much. Early adopters will pick it up like they pick everything up, then it will slowly fizzle out.

 

[Lain]

I've looked at a good Blu-Ray on a 60" HDTV close up and not noticed any compression artifacts. It's clean as a whistle and certainly from normal viewing distance you certainly wouldn't notice any. Of course they appear on some shoddy releases but that isn't Blu-Rays fault and if the studio hasn't bothered to encode a Blu-Ray properly they likely wouldn't bother encoding a 4k version properly either.

True, compression artifacts aren't really an issue with Blu-ray. But what about when studios start trying to cram 4K video onto a Blu-ray disc? They're almost certainly going to have to compress the video a good bit more in order for it to fit, at which point compression artifacts will be more abundant. Fortunately though, the increased resolution will make the increased quantity of artifacts just as unnoticable as a well-encoded 1080p Blu-ray.

 

[Metfanant]

True, compression artifacts aren't really an issue with Blu-ray. But what about when studios start trying to cram 4K video onto a Blu-ray disc? They're almost certainly going to have to compress the video a good bit more in order for it to fit, at which point compression artifacts will be more abundant. Fortunately though, the increased resolution will make the increased quantity of artifacts just as unnoticable as a well-encoded 1080p Blu-ray.

nah...you go further than 2-layer discs...3,4,5 layer discs...your current single layer and 2 layer discs are 25 and 50gb respectively...

now whether they can pull that off with firmware updates to existing players is another issue

 

[Foxiol]

Samus you are a very patient guy...

I can´t even try with these kind of people. Is like arguing with a wall.

They think they are right and they hold that idea till their very last breath.

Incredible.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Samus you are a very patient guy...

I can´t even try with these kind of people. Is like arguing with a wall.

They think they are right and they hold that idea till their very last breath.

Incredible.

I'm sure Samus will appreciate the compliment, but doesn't Samus also think he is right and holds on to it until his very last breath? Don't we all?

 

[Samus]

I'm sure Samus will appreciate the compliment, but doesn't Samus also think he is right and holds on to it until his very last breath? Don't we all?

No not really, I'm happy to accept when I'm wrong. I don't believe there is a right and wrong in this case however, we're both/all just predicting how 4k will evolve. None of us know.

Well on the general topic of 4k that we drifted onto anyway, we do pretty much know PS4 won't do 4k gaming because 1) Sony said it wouldn't and 2) the PS4 doesn't have the hardware to output 4k above 24fps.

 

[freshseth83]

My old TV cost $2500. But it is older and got struck by lightning, so I cut back and bought one for $1100 on black Friday. When new it was an easy $4,000. When you have a decent job and credit you can afford it. 5k for a brand new 55" 4K UHDTV is relatively inexpensive. I don't get the giddy responses like its so unfathomable people buy expensive TV's. You should see Best Buy before or on black Friday. I saw plenty of people dropping 3 thousand on TV's thatre now $800. Lots of people buy them to show off and say they got this new tech. Now LED TVs are commonplace. Few friends of mine have TVs that were an easy $5,000 when they bought them. The point is if youre saying its a luxury item, you don't purchase one every year or even two years. When cell phones came out they were the size of your arm and cost a thousand bucks. Now you can get one for free with mail-in rebates. Theres lots of early adapters, but the prices are already coming down. They just had an 84" set for about $25k. Now theyre selling two smaller ones for less than a third the price.

 

[sinbad]

The price drops are a big giveaway, I mean, why is this tech so expensive? In terms of ppi a 55" 4k TV is only going to offer 10 extra pixels per inch over a 32" 1080p TV and nowhere near the 100ppi you can get on £100 22" monitors. I'm not against buying expensive tech at all, but it just doesn't seem enough to justify the massive initial prices, I'm not getting anything cutting edge at all, just old tech screens times 4 but with the price multiplied by 12.

 

[HAL20XX]

Oh my... US education system shining through...

Oh my... elitist attitude shining through...

 

[LeMansAid]

I think 4K will likely go the way of 3D TV. It's just not a big enough advancement over a traditional HDTV to warrant scrapping your perfectly good HDTV to get it, especially at current prices. The leap from analog to digital to HDTV was huge. The leap from 27" CRT to big, wide screens was huge. This, not so much. Early adopters will pick it up like they pick everything up, then it will slowly fizzle out.

Not sure about that. 3d tv is of horrendous quality and people are loathe to frequent their 3d glasses fashion statement. 4K on the other hand has at the very least a "why not" factor. I cannot see why production costs would be much higher, if higher at all, once the early adopters pay for the tech. After that, I imagine that 4K will just be standard. Most people seem to view their tvs at a distance that would not allow them to resolve the resolution difference between 720p and 1080p, but pretty much all tvs are 1080p now. Valid point about whether or not people would be willing to upgrade from their very capable hd sets, but I think planned obsolescence is and will play quite a role there.

By the way, I paid around $4000 for a tv not too long ago and considered that a high but not outrageous price for what I got. Also, I have bought old hd crts for $50 that the sellers paid $4000+ for at the time.

Edit: Oh yeah, and I loved the post modern minimalist look of the title and op.

 

[Fgame]

Now who's talking rubbish? Licensing choice, what licensing? The PS4 hardware is not up to 4k gaming, for a start as already pointed out it doesn't even have an output capable of 4k over 24fps.

Where is the document giving the HDMI output version? But anyway 4k at any fps is still 4k. You could have a game that involves looking at still photographs in 4k resolution.
In fact there is already a "game" on the PS3 that's in 4k. Its free to download from PSN. The photo viewing game.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Where is the document giving the HDMI output version? But anyway 4k at any fps is still 4k. You could have a game that involves looking at still photographs in 4k resolution.
In fact there is already a "game" on the PS3 that's in 4k. Its free to download from PSN. The photo viewing game.

What game is it ? I remember in PS2 days there are niche Japanese gravure game involving pictures of girls in hot poses I bought a used one just for collection

 

[Samus]

Where is the document giving the HDMI output version? But anyway 4k at any fps is still 4k. You could have a game that involves looking at still photographs in 4k resolution.
In fact there is already a "game" on the PS3 that's in 4k. Its free to download from PSN. The photo viewing game.

I don't need to see any documents, HDMI 2.0, which is needed for 4k above 24fps, doesn't exist yet. As for the rest of your post:

You also failed to cover your licensing point.