5 reasons GT6 is a PS4 game

[mcfizzle]

where did you get more resolution is tied to better 3d capabilities? And who cares about "3d" anyway

Why do people continue to write comments like this? You don't use 3D, that's fine. But myself and a lot of people like 3D and find it to be a worthy addition to GT. In fact, I think it's the next best thing to having a triple screen setup.

 

[avens]

VR is the new-old thing (that won't be mass implemented)

 

[Mulan]

where did you get more resolution is tied to better 3d capabilities? And who cares about "3d" anyway

Also, http://s3.carltonbale.com/resolution_chart.html.

"4K" is not the holy grail, and achieving it does not mean better graphics per se. Nowadays and in the next 10 years it is actually the opposite. This does not work like watching tv does.

I care about 3D and there is a reason why Avatar is filmed in 4K. Avatar 3D is great to watch. Because at the movies where you have large screens and passive 3D you have to have higher res per "channel" so you dont see the lines. So 4k will be great for 3D even on smaller screens.
I can say as Oled is coming and how screens develop you soon will have a wall that is a screen. And Oled screens will be alot cheaper in 3 years. And if you can imagine 5-8 years ahead you should understand that there is lot happening.

 

[Samus]

Think it will be more of 8,3 megapixels rather than 12,7. And yes i know about performance. We will see how its built and if its gaming or just video. But still i think major thing for its 4k ability is for better 3D and perhaps in a near future glassesfree 3d. That is perhaps 5 years away but this machine is built to last around 8-10 and the future is 4k, larger screens, 3d without glasses, Oled tv and SONY GAIKAI: streaming games (like ps3 games) so you can play them on pads, phones or tv without having a ps3. (mentioned this too...its coming.)

Even if it was 8.3 megapixels (not sure where you got that figure) that is still significantly more than 5670x1080 and you seem to have missed the part where I said even one of the most powerful GPUs on the market can't manage 60fps at that rate, what makes you think the GPU in the PS4 (which if the rumours are true is about 25% as powerful as the 6990) can manage good framerates with even more pixels?

The numbers don't add up, plain and simple. Maybe next next generation. This generation will be 1080p at 60fps at best.

 

[Mulan]

Even if it was 8.3 megapixels (not sure where you got that figure) that is still significantly more than 5670x1080 and you seem to have missed the part where I said even one of the most powerful GPUs on the market can't manage 60fps at that rate, what makes you think the GPU in the PS4 (which if the rumours are true is about 25% as powerful as the 6990) can manage good framerates with even more pixels?

The numbers don't add up, plain and simple. Maybe next next generation. This generation will be 1080p at 60fps at best.

Perhaps, but i think few computers that are 6 years old can manage what the ps3 does. If they stopped development on the PC and programmers had just one setup to optimize the game on i think you would see more performance getting used than they do today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra_High_Definition_Television (regarding 8,3)
http://www.ultrahdtv.net/

 

[avens]

I care about 3D and there is a reason why Avatar is filmed in 4K. Avatar 3D is great to watch. Because at the movies where you have large screens and passive 3D you have to have higher res per "channel" so you dont see the lines. So 4k will be great for 3D even on smaller screens.
I can say as Oled is coming and how screens develop you soon will have a wall that is a screen. And Oled screens will be alot cheaper in 3 years. And if you can imagine 5-8 years ahead you should understand that there is lot happening.

You mean like projectors? or people who had 1080p and 3d at home 10 years before it was mass implemented?
The technology is there, just not bought by the masses because it is not marketed as the next big thing and it is still somewhat expensive.

And again don't know don't care about 3d. I have never been into it.

 

[Samus]

Perhaps, but i think few computers that are 6 years old can manage what the ps3 does. If they stopped development on the PC and programmers had just one setup to optimize the game on i think you would see more performance getting used than they do today.

No. Just no. No amount of optimizing is going to get that sort of performance out of that sort of hardware. Just out of interest do you even know what i've been referring to with all of my technical points or are you just ignoring them and coming up with some other reason it could happen? Because i'm telling you, it can't.

 

[Mulan]

No. Just no. No amount of optimizing is going to get that sort of performance out of that sort of hardware. Just out of interest do you even know what i've been referring to with all of my technical points or are you just ignoring them and coming up with some other reason it could happen? Because i'm telling you, it can't.

I edited my post with links...yes i know about what you are getting at.
And as i said, perhaps it wont be able to handle games only video. But i still think it is possible depending on the setup. There is talk of 2 GPU in the PS4 so ill wait and see for this. But for video i have no doubt it will support 4k.
BTW...it can be made that some games will run 4k some wont, depending on complexity of graphics. Perhaps platformgames can work.

 

[ch3ng]

http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/sony-ps4-to-feature-4k-display-compatibility

Seems like i may be right anyway. And not just release, 4k res that i wrote on the other thread where people thought i was crazy...well in the article they bring up the same reasons to assume 4k is coming as i did.

Well PS3 can deliver 1080p. Oh wait 99% of all AAA games don't run in 1080p.

I believe the PS4 will not run 1 AAA game in nativ 4k, but it will have 4k for OS and some other stuff.

You have no idea how much power a hardware would need for nativ 4K Crysis 3 for example.

There is no way that 1 PS4 can do this.

 

[bass264]

Crazy people, 4k isn't going to be a native resolution of any games or media stuff (besides movies) for a long time. You're crazy if you think that the PS4 is going to run games at the resolution. Some people don't have a understanding of much resources it'd take to run games at that resolution. Nonetheless I think GT6 will naively run at 1080p.

 

[Spagetti69]

I'm not against 3D although I don't have access to it anyhow.

It seems as though Sony has ceased the 3D push also. They haven't produced a lot of recent games or upcoming games in 3D. Nor does it seem that there planning to.

Sony seem to start the ball rolling then just taper off with these type of projects.

Wonder what tech Kaz will have to shoehorn in GT6? Smellovision perhaps?

 

[avens]

I'm not against 3D although I don't have access to it anyhow.

It seems as though Sony has ceased the 3D push also. They haven't produced a lot of recent games or upcoming games in 3D. Nor does it seem that there planning to.

Sony seem to start the ball rolling then just taper off with these type of projects.

Wonder what tech Kaz will have to shoehorn in GT6? Smellovision perhaps?

As I said, VR is the new-old thing (or old-new?) that will be only used by few until we move to the next gimmick. They are finally getting closer to a decent and relatively inexpensive device, which didn't before because no one cared about it until it had $$$ potential once again.

After that, holograms.

 

[BrodieBoi94]

I feel like they're going to try to keep to the "2 games per PlayStation tradition". I mean what was everyone thinking when gran turismo 3 came out. It was very limited compared to gran turismo 4. It only had about 250-300 cars, and the most you could do is get an oil change, a new set of rims, and wash your car, disregarding the performance upgrades. Gran turismo 4 did what no one, or at least I, thought could be done. They included over 700 cars, and an outrageous amount of events to complete. It's the same cycle Polyphony Digital began with. The jump from Gran Turismo 1 to Gran turismo 2 was incredible. I think there's a great chance that gt6 will be on ps3, and perhaps gt7 will have a huge delay just like gt5. I don't mind, because they always overload their second installment on each PlayStation console.

 

[QuikSlvr223]

Your sarcasm isn't really funny.

What exactly are you talking about? I think I remember seeing something where Kaz said it would be released around 2018. I asked a legitamite question.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

What exactly are you talking about? I think I remember seeing something where Kaz said it would be released around 2018. I asked a legitamite question.

Kaz said GT6 wouldn't take as long to make as GT5.

 

[justinq19]

I really don't understand all this 4K talk. The average person has a 40"-55" HDTV. If you are sitting 4' or more away from your TV, then there is no benefit to a resolution above 1080p. The only reason to have 4K is if you sit super close to your TV or if you own a TV that is 70" or bigger. However, I do belive that the PS4 will be able to do 4K, in the same way that the PS3 is able to do 3D.

I really don't think this generation will be a huge leap. I can see the upcoming generation being like the leap from PS1 to PS2, nothing major, but still amazing.

I look forward to seeing what the PS4 can do and I really hope PD saves GT6 for it. I also hope Sony shows off the PS4 soon. They REALLY can't afford to be in last place again next generation, they have to launch the PS4 before to XBox 720.

 

[justinq19]

What exactly are you talking about? I think I remember seeing something where Kaz said it would be released around 2018. I asked a legitamite question.

Kaz has never said a release time frame for GT6, but he did say they started working on it after GT5 got released and that the wait would be shorter this time.

The jump from GT4 to GT5 was huge. They were going from low poly low res textures to high poly HD textures. Even the PS3 couldn't quite handle what they were trying to throw at it (reason for standard cars, low texture tree lines, 2D backdrops ect.). This is why GT6 should be on PS4.

Sense developers are allready used to developing for HD systems, we should get a shorter wait for GT6, like Kaz said. After all, according to rumors, the PS4 is really just going to be a much more powerful PS3, with a few extra features.

 

[Youngun]

Kaz has never said a release time frame for GT6, but he did say they started working on it after GT5 got released and that the wait would be shorter this time.

The jump from GT4 to GT5 was huge. They were going from low poly low res textures to high poly HD textures. Even the PS3 couldn't quite handle what they were trying to throw at it (reason for standard cars, low texture tree lines, 2D backdrops ect.). This is why GT6 should be on PS4.

Sense developers are allready used to developing for HD systems, we should get a shorter wait for GT6, like Kaz said. After all, according to rumors, the PS4 is really just going to be a much more powerful PS3, with a few extra features.

And if rumors are true, 4k resolution will make everything look amazing.

 

[thelvynau]

And if rumors are true, 4k resolution will make everything look amazing.

I don't see 4k being used everywhere for a while I doubt ps4 will have anything to do with it.

 

[Youngun]

I don't see 4k being used everywhere for a while I doubt ps4 will have anything to do with it.

Well with sonys new 4k TV now, and 4k Bluray players. Stupid not to go there really. it may not be used for a while but along its possible 10 year lifespan, needs too.

 

[Raitziger]

Well with sony's new 4k TV now, and 4k Bluray players. Stupid not to go there really. it may not be used for a while but along its possible 10 year lifespan, needs too.

4k is a waste. Just like 3d was in this gen. It is just something that sony can use to push people to buy new TVs. Nothing would make me cry "why" more than if we get 4K resolution but games do not run always 60fps.

 

[Samus]

And if rumors are true, 4k resolution will make everything look amazing.

Have you read the last 20 or so posts? The PS4 will not have 4k games.

 

[Youngun]

Have you read the last 20 or so posts? The PS4 will not have 4k games.

Games, no, not at first. Needs to much work but they will come.

 

[Samus]

Games, no, not at first. Needs to much work but they will come.

How will they? When Sony sell a HD7970 add-on GPU for $400? Because no amount of 'work' will get 4k gaming out of the rumored PS4 GPU or any GPU that will keep the console at a reasonable price.

 

[Inixi]

How will they? When Sony sell a HD7970 add-on GPU for $400? Because no amount of 'work' will get 4k gaming out of the rumored PS4 GPU or any GPU that will keep the console at a reasonable price.

Before PS3 premiere there was also rumor that 1080p and 1080i options are only for BluRay movies, not games.

 

[Samus]

Before PS3 premiere there was also rumor that 1080p and 1080i options are only for BluRay movies, not games.

That was before we knew much about HD in general though, The idea of gaming in HD was still pretty new. Now we know plenty about the technical sides of things and what 4k would require.

 

[Mulan]

Then again, didnt think destructable enviroment was achiavable on ps3 (like Battlefield..).
But programers do wonderful stuff. By the way, 4K games may be like GT5, some things are superhigh res and scenery only 1080p resolution textures. How prgramers use the ability to have 4k is still not clear. ANd if resolution isnt that important as some talk about (or 3D) why dont we just stop at ps3 and our 5 year old tv's. Seems ike we have invented the best people need. (irony)

 

[justinq19]

As I said above, due to the distance the average person sits from their TV, 4K will ony benefit TV's larger than 70". Also, in this horrible economy, I really doubt anyone has the money to spend on a $15,000+ 4K TV. Even if the economy was great, I doubt many people have the room for an 80" TV.

The PS4 will do 4K just like the PS3 does 3D, it won't do it great, but it can do it.

 

[Youngun]

How will they? When Sony sell a HD7970 add-on GPU for $400? Because no amount of 'work' will get 4k gaming out of the rumored PS4 GPU or any GPU that will keep the console at a reasonable price.

Don't forget that it's not just a console but an entertainment system, so just like bluray players of old, 4k is in current players so why go back. It will have the ability to run it but 1080p games is first priority as only a hand full of games do now. 3D seems to be pushed by everyone now so can't blame it all on Sony.

http://m.engadget.com/2012/04/24/so...90-blu-ray-player-available-online-in-stores/
Only problem there then Is TVs currently start around £10k esti.

 

[Foxiol]

Then again, didnt think destructable enviroment was achiavable on ps3 (like Battlefield..).
But programers do wonderful stuff. By the way, 4K games may be like GT5, some things are superhigh res and scenery only 1080p resolution textures. How prgramers use the ability to have 4k is still not clear. ANd if resolution isnt that important as some talk about (or 3D) why dont we just stop at ps3 and our 5 year old tv's. Seems ike we have invented the best people need. (irony)

But that has almost nothing to do with the PS3 itself and the destruction in BF3 was toned down because it takes a lot of memory and CPU/GPU even on PC´s and if you want to sell a game you have to make it for every platform not just for super computers. (literally)

You don´t know what are you talking about at all...you are way to blind to see that this is not possible.

GT5 is not real 1080p resolution, native 1080p is when you have 1980 x 1080p (the actual size of your HD screen) but GT5 runs at 1280 x 1080p.
Don´t confuse polygons with textures...polygons are for structures to give it a proper form, more polygons more quality (cars) and textures are the ones that cover the structures...you have it in low resolution and high resolution...there are no 1080p textures, lmao. High quality/resolution textures VS High definition image/size.
Textures in GT5 are low resolution in the ambience/tracks and high in the cars and sky.

Your question about "why don´t we just stop at PS3 and our 5 year old TV´s?"...
Well simple...do you want to see your games better and playable at higher frame rates as PC´s do? or do you want to play tuned down/blurry games for eternity? Hardware needs more power to do that you know.

Also developers needs to sell more and needs to advance and develop their graphics engines to make better quality games and then sell both to others.
You are the one who buy the games but there is other market that buys technology to make your games. You need to move forward and improve your product always.
Developers are also making huge advancements in graphics as Unreal 4 and Luminous Engine (Square Enix) but they can´t make proper use of it on consoles because can´t handle the amount of detail and effects. So you are not going to see that with the current hardware.
They even said that literally is not me that is saying this. And they want to Microsoft and Sony make proper and powerful machines this time so they can make wonderful games.

Once you play a multiplatform game on PC...i´ll give you an example Sleeping Dogs...you´ll see the difference and why we need to upgrade our hardware. Played both demos...PS3 at 720p and 30FPS and lower, without Nvidia PhysX effects, poor antialiasing, etc...then go to PC and put it at 1080p, and extreme config. Then come again and tell me if this is not enough to be the next standard on consoles...tell me that you need "4k science fiction resolutions" lol and 80" TV´s...
You don´t need that, Sony needs it. Gimmicks...just gimmicks.

Again 4k games by now...no...just no.

Consoles are always behind PC´s and they need to catch up.


By the way you want to see real 3D in your not 3D display...

Look...

Well actually this is 2D...xD