512BB '76 One-Make-Event - Suzi 550 RWD - XX:23 / XX:53

[Synwraith]

Brilliant Maz. Times I simply cannot understand. Are you using the tune from the Miami Vice vs Transformers event?

I started out there yes, turning angle now 44 and there is some ABS added to it now. Didn't notice much difference between 2 and 4.

If you look at the WRS results, it was damn close with probably pretty varied tunes.

I'm guessing you can't watch the replays right?

All the best
Maz

 

[Anghammarad]

I'm guessing you can't watch the replays right?

All the best
Maz

Nope.

 

[Ren]

Back on surface.....
Finally got round to updating some lap times and so on, blistering stuff guys!....
Hope to get back to racing soon as well.

 

[Synwraith]

I'll be racing here tonight if anyone's around (and not swallowed up by that damn CoD:MW2)

All the best
Maz

 

[Synwraith]

In at xx15

All the best
Maz

 

[Ren]

I'd love to join, but they won't let me log onto PSN !?!?

 

[Synwraith]

I'd love to join, but they won't let me log onto PSN !?!?

Keep trying mate, I managed to log in with no difficulty 👍

Just had a race with two other guys I didn't recognise and I was out in the lead by over 30 seconds, ran the following race lap in free air:

59.802 / 1'49.836 / 2'16.273

Couldn't believe it when I saw the splits, think I bottled it in the last sector a bit

All the best
Maz

 

[DTM]

Ren i sended you a PM

 

[Ren]

Ren i sended you a PM

Hey Room, I think that's a fantastic idea!!! 👍 (this secrecy is funny, haha).

I had tried to imply something like this at Fuji a while back, but didn't follow through on it an hence it never booted. I still can't log on tonight, so have other plans now, but I'll PM you my email tomorrow and then we should give this some serious thought, with a nice scheme and all the works maybe. Looking at RoD, EDK and team's ideas at WRS, Transformers vs. Miami Vive, War of Worlds etc. I feel it's time to step it up a bit... THIS event layout just stays alive cause it happens to involve one of the more appealing cars and tracks, the story board isn't really a Hitchcock. Or have you got something up your sleeve yet? I'll give it some thought and come back to you tommorrow. 👍

Edit: what the h*** is going on with my PSN??? As if connecting alone wasn't bad enough

 

[Synwraith]

Thanks to Phil, Andy, Jukka and Cal for the races

Highlight was a private mano-a-mano race with JvM, classic stuff

Will be back later if anyone's wielding a 512.

All the best
Maz

 

[DGiant2000]

Thanks for the races Maz, and thanks for waiting, my head wasn't quite with it at first but it was good fun, I missed driving the old girl

 

[Ren]

Hi all! just as a short intro: Roomboter presented this very nice idea!👍
Let us know what you think! I'll put in a reminder end of next week...

A Dutch GT Forum and I came up with the idea to race two forums against each other in 2 totally different cars. Now that the Ferarri 512BB at Suzuka 550PP event is the hottest thing around at the moment and the RX8 at Suzuka 550PP (R1) was the hottest event around, once Both cars run about the same lap times but both of them have their benefit on different parts of the track. So this might turn out to be a great clash.

It’s a one weekend event only, this will take place during the weekend of week 47 (Nov. 20th-22nd) Starts at Friday night at 9 GMT and ends on sunday night


GTP_512BB

vs.

GTHQ_RX8

So if you wanna join just log in at:

XX:15 / XX:35 / XX:55


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[Rusty*]

Oooh I like this idea alot.
I'm not a big fan of the 512, but the opportunity to race other team players sounds great!
R*

 

[Synwraith]

A Dutch GT Forum and I came up with the idea to race two forums against each other in 2 totally different cars. Now that the Ferarri 512BB at Suzuka 550PP event is the hottest thing around at the moment and the RX8 at Suzuka 550PP (R1) was the hottest event around, once Both cars run about the same lap times but both of them have their benefit on different parts of the track. So this might turn out to be a great clash.


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Heiko, I'm a massive fan of the forum vs forum races. I even organised a T&L vs KOR and T&L vs PureGT/GTDrivers event a while ago, so no worries there. I am however quite sceptical about how this will work out from my experiences with 512 vs RX8 over this update and the previous one.

Without a doubt most of us have improved our pace in the 512 on S3 tyres through Suzuka to be able to match cars on R1 tyres more closely, just myself personally I've gained in the region of 0.6s since the last 550PP update. Despite that, I think this could rapidly turn into a F1 2009 situation of KERS vs non-KERS cars with the 512 having so much more straightline power that it just makes overtaking impossible for RX8 drivers. As a result, they would have to pass in T1 seeing as how they wouldn't be able to line up a move into any of the major braking zones. Therefore if the RX8 drivers are going to pass in the esses, I see a lot of issues to be fair. Even with the best intentions of clean driving, trying to pass in the esses is very hairy and would require the 512 drivers to be offline quite a lot.

On the other hand, the 512 gets a terrific rocket start off the line and with a capable driver will stay ahead for most of T1, then just disappear in T2 and T3...I dunno, maybe it'll work out great. Anything to pack out some grids right?

I'll try this out from 9.30p.m GMT onwards 👍

All the best
Maz

 

[Ren]

I'll be on this Friday.
R*

I'll try this out from 9.30p.m GMT onwards 👍

All the best
Maz

Short note upfront: Unless I misunderstood (Dennis please correct me if so) this event takes place the weekend after this one, which means 20th, 21st and 22nd, not this weekend.
I will bring the time window to the top of the post and highlight it a bit...

That said to your concerns Maz. I hear you 100%. The very same thoughts crossed my mind at first, peeking in the ultimate nightmare scenario of a Clio on R1 showing up in your mirror somewhere in the Sses => with rare exceptions your going to end up in the kitty litter. Then again I think we can expect a fair and clean competion with the guys from GTHQ, you know how they are 👍. This can actually take the practice of OLR to a next level: how often do we practice letting faster guys pass? This is the time! If we (GTP) don't do this in a fair manner the RX-8 won't have a snowflakes chance in hell. Which means they only have the choice between loosing or pushing hard in the curvy sections which can have us ending in the gravel (we all know how tiny the required tap is to have this happen, I am NOT talking about punting here). I would expect from us to make room for the Mazdas in the curvy sectors, needless to say they need to give us way on the straights.
bladibladibla....
Bottom line: unrelated to level of driving skill THIS will always have action ready for the participants, plenty of overtaking every lap (this the ideal world scenario in my head). And I am keen on the learning experience involved, it's going to be as if two classes of vehicles are in the same race (as in 24h etc) only TWICE per lap . In the end like you say: any reason to get a grid full is a good reason! Let's see how it goes...

 

[The Outlaw]

IMO that's not the greatest of match ups. The RX-8 is a solid second a lap faster than the 512. Current records for each car show a 1.3 second disparity in best lap times...which still can't be made up with drafting. Also, if the 512 manages to get to the front by T1 (which it likely would), it will of course have the massive straight line acceleration advantage and simply hold the Mazda up through the corners to a terrible extent, and then absolutely take off down the straight.

Simply put, the racing wouldn't be very enjoyable between those two cars. More frustrating if anything else. But that's just my 2 cents.

 

[tony1311]

I would expect from us to make room for the Mazdas in the curvy sectors, needless to say they need to give us way on the straights.
bladibladibla....
...

This just sounds too complicated for me...If such a thing(letting the faster gtuy pass) was to be done shouldn't we have an agreement with the gthq guys? Like a race conduct agreement.

 

[Synwraith]

Brock's summed up what my concerns were pretty well I think, and also Heiko if we're to let them past or at least make extra room and allowance for the RX8s in the esses and vice versa on the straights, it's not really racing is it? It becomes a bit more like formation flying. Which brings us back again to the frustration of holding them up.

Don't get me wrong mate, I really appreciate your hard work in trying to inject more interest into this race, goodness knows I'm desperate to have more than a 3 car grid all night, but why not just get the GTHQ folks in 512s?

Having said that, there aren't even many GTP folk still racing the 512. Last night was just me, Andy, Phil and Jukka. Never all of us together either. More than anything I just wish the guys would come back and race this car, I was reading the old posts from the last update when this event was absolutely kicking..

EDIT: Is there any other car the GTHQ guys can race on S3s that's comparable in pace to the 512? I can have a look at the online leaderboards and see what comes close on S2 tyres stock and that can be used as a starting point. Off the top of my head, the Lotus Evora was also capable of 2'16/2'17 on S3 and S2 tyres at 550PP.

All the best
Maz

 

[Calcifer12]

It all ain't as bad as you think TA. I'm running mid 17 laps consistantly in free air (rx8) and maz does 16 with the BB. I think I'm a mid range player for laptimes.

The straightline passing will indeed still be a pain in the butt... for us. Ill just have to force you lot into an error in the corners.

 

[Calcifer12]

Don't get me wrong mate, I really appreciate your hard work in trying to inject more interest into this race, goodness knows I'm desperate to have more than a 3 car grid all night, but why not just get the GTHQ folks in 512s?
Maz

How about you get into the GTLM maz!

 

[Synwraith]

I should say I'm still happy to give it a go the weekend after next, it's not as if the GTHQ guys are going to swamp our schedule between now and then

How about you get into the GTLM maz!

Stop double-posting, you troublemaker!



All the best
Maz

 

[DGiant2000]

Don't worry, I'll get off the line quick but I'll sure hold those GTHQ boys up, Maz, Brock and Heiko will be long gone by the time they finally get past me

 

[The Outlaw]

It all ain't as bad as you think TA. I'm running mid 17 laps consistantly in free air (rx8) and maz does 16 with the BB. I think I'm a mid range player for laptimes.

The straightline passing will indeed still be a pain in the butt... for us. Ill just have to force you lot into an error in the corners.

That's not really a fair comparison though. Of course placing the quicker driver in the 512 and putting the slower driver (no pun intended) in the RX-8 will help even things up...but who's going to have control over who picks what car?

Realistically most folks will just end up picking the quickest car, so the people that will want to be in contention to have a quality fight at the very front won't be picking the 512 unfortunately. Because the only way the 512 will stay at the front is by taking P1 by turn 1 and horrendously holding the RX-8 up around the lap...which is a bit ridiculous in all honesty. Not to mention that it's a bit lame IMO if a lone RX-8 (w/ quick driver) does get around a 512BB for 1st position on the first lap, and a pack of RX-8's gets stuck behind the 512BB for the entirety of the race due to luck of the draw when it comes to starting positions. The RX-8 in front will just run off with the win in all likeliness.

As Maz mentioned, another car needs to replace the RX-8, and that car shouldn't be run on R tires either. I think the Evora is a very good car in terms of pace similarities with the 512. The event theme "512BB vs. Evora" is a bit off...but we're not really left with many options in terms of making a equal and competitive pairing that would meet 550PP. All of the other Ferrari's (which would make a quality theme) can't get to 550 unless you run N tires...and I don't think we're going there

 

[DGiant2000]

The BMW tii concept makes 550pp on S3's, would be interesting to see what times people could pull with that. I wasn't far off my 512 time but I'm not much of a measuring stick I'm afraid

 

[The Outlaw]

The BMW tii concept makes 550pp on S3's, would be interesting to see what times people could pull with that. I wasn't far off my 512 time but I'm not much of a measuring stick I'm afraid

The ultimate pace of the BMW tti is a little under a second slower than the 512. The Evora is probably the best match up for the 512BB...that and maybe the M3, or possibly the RX-8 on S3's...the TVR and Aston Martin are a bit unknown, although they are likely in the high 16 - low 17 range

 

[Ren]

Anybody up for some racing here right now (the 512 I mean )
I'm in for a few

PS: can't connect to the PSN anymore per wire, wireless works though ... hope its not too laggy

PS2: Really fun race Brock! Can't even get near your pace but that we had some classic stuff going on :-)

 

[DGiant2000]

Anybody up for some racing here right now (the 512 I mean )
I'm in for a few

PS: can't connect to the PSN anymore per wire, wireless works though ... hope its not too laggy

Should be on in about an hour folks 👍

 

[Synwraith]

Hour and a half for me 👍

Please hang around!!

All the best
Maz

 

[Ren]

Drat! The old man has to go to bed
Hope to see you on the weekend though 👍

 

[Hugo Boss]

Too bed you had to go, Ren. Could use a buddy to get back into my old rythm again. Nothing fun left to play with now...

Ah, well, better go to bed myself too, could use some sleep