86th Running Of The 24 Hours Of Le Mans, 16-17 June 2018

[twitcher]

Why is there a maximum stint length in LMP1 and GTE pro?? What’s the logic behind it??

 

[AnthonyD1993]

There is no reason at all that there should be a stint limit in LMP1. It's absolutely stupid. Why in the hell would you have a series with Endurance in the name and then punish teams for actually trying to attain endurance?

 

[Silent Drifter]

There is no reason at all that there should be a stint limit in LMP1. It's absolutely stupid. Why in the hell would you have a series with Endurance in the name and then punish teams for actually trying to attain endurance?

Yup, and it does limit your strategy a little, if you can indeed run longer than your stint limits.

https://www.motorsport.com/lemans/news/bamber-hits-out-at-horrible-gte-pro-stint-rules-1046349/

 

[bdj57]

Peugeot had their new hybrid cars ready in 2012, they were already at Sebring ready for the season to start when management pulled the plug, it's 6 years old now though so wouldn't even be as quick as the current LMP2 cars.

Okay, thanks for the info 👍

Yup, even with all their dominance. As everyone is saying, roll on the hypercar era...

Ah... yeah... There goes the golden era. So is there any replacement team for Peugeot in Dakar next year by the way?

 

[Morgoth_666]

lol le mans rules

 

[Grayfox]

Can anyone else hear it?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/8oze1qkm1hsbtkx/F.wav?dl=0

 

[C-ZETA]

So as far as I can tell, it's not just the on-track competition lacking...all these regs have seen even Le Mans/the WEC get too gimmicky for its own good. Where did it all go wrong?

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

There is no reason at all that there should be a stint limit in LMP1. It's absolutely stupid. Why in the hell would you have a series with Endurance in the name and then punish teams for actually trying to attain endurance?

I think it's part of the EOT, Toyota have agreed to cuts in performance but wanted to still have the efficiency advantage.

 

[Michelin Man]

Looking good, less than half an hour to go.

 

[Carbon_6]

Stop/go penalty for #1 for the same offence as #7.

 

[Downhill Dino]

So as far as I can tell, it's not just the on-track competition lacking...all these regs have seen even Le Mans/the WEC get too gimmicky for its own good. Where did it all go wrong?

I'd like to think hybrids and infinite costs.

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

I want to yell at the guy that thought of the fuel limit.

 

[C-ZETA]

I'd like to think hybrids and infinite costs.

Well yes, that much is true. But they could at least have kept the rules themselves more authentic... Do they have to force everything, even in this dark age?

 

[AnthonyD1993]

Why is there a maximum stint length in LMP1 and GTE pro?? What’s the logic behind it??

There is no logic for it. Only thing I can think of is for the goal of having everyone together at the end, but an endurace series should reward teams for being efficient and going farther on a tank of fuel than other teams.

I think it's part of the EOT, Toyota have agreed to cuts in performance but wanted to still have the efficiency advantage.

One would have figured they would already have the efficiency advantage with the hybrid system without needing a stint limit from EoT.

 

[Nielsen]

Toyota crews looking confident.

 

[Carbon_6]

Did I just here one of the Eurosport guys call #92... Peppa Porsche?

 

[Grayfox]

Did I just here one of the Eurosport guys call #92... Peppa Porsche?

Yes you did.

 

[MaddinICE]

When you see the faces in the Toyota box and 2016 comes to your mind.

 

[AMPMROCKETFANN]

Apparently the announcers forgot how to pronounce Sake

 

[Silent Drifter]

When you see the faces in the Toyota box and 2016 comes to your mind.

That's all I can think of right now.

 

[Ether]

So technical question... If the lead Toyota loses it on track/damages the car to the point where it can't get back to the pit lane, would it still only finish 2nd since the 3rd place car can't complete more laps than it already has? Or is it considered a DNF because it didn't technically finish? (Or can it still be a DNF and 2nd place?)

 

[MaddinICE]

So technical question... If the lead Toyota loses it on track/damages the car to the point where it can't get back to the pit lane, would it still only finish 2nd since the 3rd place car can't complete more laps than it already has? Or is it considered a DNF because it didn't technically finish?

That would be a DNF, that was the problem in 2016. It couldn't get back to the pits (or in this case: the finish line) in time.

 

[Mike-ZENKAI]

Glad for Toyota they finally got it. (well still 20 minutes to go )

Feels a bit hollow but not their fault everybody else stopped with LMP1.

Hopefully the new rules will attract some more factory teams.

 

[raven214]

Did I just here one of the Eurosport guys call #92... Peppa Porsche?

I heard the same!

As per the lap limits, they said the idea is a sort of BOP type thing to help balance the hybrids vs the rest. If that's the case, then it is a total abject failure. In either event, I totally agree limiting the stint is against the whole concept of endurance racing.

 

[Silent Drifter]

15 minutes is going to feel like an eternity. About 5ish laps

 

[Carbon_6]

Toyotas are in formation on track. They're not hanging around.

 

[Savolainen83]

So, Toyota (finally) wins lmp1, G-Drive takes the lmp2 and Porsche rules the gt classes.

And they are handing the win to Alonso and co.

 

[SilkCutXJR]

the Toyotas have engaged formation mode.

 

[MaddinICE]

Dr. Wolfgang Ullrich on the finish line gantry with ACO officials.

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

Hahaha, I heard the announcer say peppa Porsche too.