950bhp "Bugatti Buster" Porsche planned.

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Yeah I can go with that exception :lol:.

was wrong about the 959, I was pretty sure it had run at 200mph, but I was muddled with another car, the 959's official top speed is indeed 198mph. The Carrera GT's is officially 205mph and figures higher than that were probably magazine speculation though road tests have indicated that the Carrera GT should go faster than Porsche's claims, it has hit 60 in 3.5 as opposed to the 3.9 Porsche claimed and they think the car should be good for around 210mph, but Porsche hasn't said that, magazines have.
 
TheCracker
I always thought that the 959's official top speed was universally acknowledged as 197mph. There is no US-legalized 959 either.

I'm sorry, what?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_959
http://www.answers.com/topic/porsche-959
http://erntheburn.tripod.com/autos/959/95911.htm
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cmphoto/177179793/

Wikipedia.org
The 959 can be fitted with a catalytic converter and a rechipped computer which will allow it to meet those emissions requirements. However most owners refuse to modify their 959s, and the cars remain as collection pieces. While the initial selling price was $230,000, it is agreed that today, one of these cars would be worth upwards of a million dollars. Famous owners of the car include comedian Jerry Seinfeld, also the owner of an extensive Porsche collection, who purchased the car for $700,000. The most famous owner of the 959 is likely Microsoft Founder Bill Gates. The car was likely the famously frugal Gates' first "splurge" of his vast wealth and the "Show and Display" law was partially his doing.

It's one of the few things that I will never forget. Much as I hate Bill Gates, I have to thank him for this one good thing.
 
Is the US-legalised version an official Porsche model or do the owners have to modify it themselves? If the owners have to modify it themselves then it's no different from saying that the Toyota Supra comes with a 1000bhp pack, just because owners can modify it to 1000bhp.
 
harrytuttle
I'm sorry, what?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_959
http://www.answers.com/topic/porsche-959
http://erntheburn.tripod.com/autos/959/95911.htm
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cmphoto/177179793/



It's one of the few things that I will never forget. Much as I hate Bill Gates, I have to thank him for this one good thing.


There are plenty of 959's in the US - but none of them are road-legal.


The United States Department of Transportation and the US Enviormental Protection Agency refuse to legalize the Porsche 959. Reason being: Porsche AG will not provide up to 4 959s for crash testing. We all know the car is a street car, but without the mandatory testing, no 959 will ever be legalized.

Porsche built about 30 'US Spec' Sport 959s for US sale in 1987. The first 8 of them were shipped to Al Holbert's in Pennsylvania, where the EPA and DOT struck down hard and refused to let them in. 7 of the 8 were sent back to Germany with the other 22 to be held for the US owner to come drive in Europe. Most of the owners just put them up for sale in Germany.

The one 959 that remained in the US was legally imported. It belongs to Porsche aficionado Otis Chandler, who brought it in under a special US import clause that stated the 959 is for "Display Purposes Only" and cannot be driven on a track or on the street. It can only be displayed in Chandler's car museum in California.

Any other 959 seen in America is NOT legal (and there are quite a few).

Bill Gates, the CEO of Microsoft, has a 959, as does his partner Paul Allen. Supposedly those 959s are stuck in Customs somewhere in the US, although some people 'report' seeing him driving it around Seattle. Gates and Allen's are Comfort models which means they are not part of the 30 originally designated for the US market.* Those 2, along with 2 more were brought in by Bruce Canepa, who claims (but has yet to) certify them.

There was one in Canton, Ohio and I believe that it is the one of the ones Canepa will certify.* It was damaged on private property by the owners son.* That's what I've heard.* Canepa is attempting to certify 4 or 5 including the race track restricted car owned by Otis Chandler.*

Although the 959 was originally legally allowed into the US as a street car, many found their way in as "converted" race cars. They are constantly spotted all over the States at club races, shows, and even daily drivers. There was one advertised in Autoweek for $950,000 not too long ago. I've also seen them occasionally for sale in Hemmings Motor News for $595,000 and up. (The $595k one was a Sport, but did have some miles on it)

Did you know that Porsche built two more 959s in 1996?* If you get to look at one, look under the front hood near the shock towers for a tag with the Braun or Bauer name (can't remember which).* This company apparently "built" the bodies for Porsche. Porsche pressed the body pieces and this other company assembled them. You won't find this any books!!!

I spoke with THE person at customs who signs yay or nay on 959s. The three "legal" ones done through Dick Fritz (a good man) were located and the owners fined $50,000.00 (approx) and the cars are impounded and/or off the road.* There are NO US legal 959s.* This person would have seen the paperwork.* Canepa is apparently still indicating that he may gain approval.* Since Porsche AG has personally gone to court to keep the cars off of US roads, Canepa is dreaming at this point.* The four cars he sold Gates are still impounded.
 
harrytuttle
Dammit, I know there are. I'm going to find out where I saw this, and come back to this...some day.:grumpy:

There were ways around the issue. But technically they were never road approved because Porsche would'nt give them 4 cars to crash test.

I've heard recently that they now can be legally driven on the road, i don't know whether the regulations have changed or whether the cars have just reached a certain age where they become elligable.
 
I once heard Bill gates made 959's legal by crashing a few for tests..... Thats what heard, I never looked into it so I don't know how much truth is in it.
 
On another forum I read about some guy saying that there were severak 959's being driven on the roads in the US.
 
TheCracker
There were ways around the issue. But technically they were never road approved because Porsche would'nt give them 4 cars to crash test.

I've heard recently that they now can be legally driven on the road, i don't know whether the regulations have changed or whether the cars have just reached a certain age where they become elligable.

VIPERGTSR01
I once heard Bill gates made 959's legal by crashing a few for tests..... Thats what heard, I never looked into it so I don't know how much truth is in it.

See, this is what I read about two years ago. I'm pretty sure it was Sports Car International, and that's the only reason I picked that issue up. It talked about how Gates and Paul Allen each wanted one on the road. The primary concern was emissions, and that proved relatively easy to correct. There were a few other clients' cars that the same shop just went to town on. They used modern turbos & intercooling with some other work, and with the stock block & heads the 959 put down 650HP.

I have to dig this out of storage. I look like a fool without it.:guilty:
 
Yeah but they arn't US spec 959's they are aftermarket modified. That's like me sayking do you like my UK Spec Holden Commodore with it's competition bodywork and 550bhp, when I've just bought a Commodore and took it to a tuning firm.
 
live4speed
Yeah but they arn't US spec 959's they are aftermarket modified. That's like me sayking do you like my UK Spec Holden Commodore with it's competition bodywork and 550bhp, when I've just bought a Commodore and took it to a tuning firm.

Oh, I never claimed there were Porsche-sold, 1987 959's on the road. I said that these cars were indeed modified, and no longer original. This is why most of the US owners are reluctant to do this: it detracts quite a bit from the value of the car, driveable or not.

I'm determined to dig this thing up. I'm just too good a packing things away sometimes.
 
By US legalised version it just came across that you mean it was a factory version built to be legal in the US that's all. No problem though.
 
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^ The funny photoshoped version of a Carrera GT that Autocar seems to think is the Bugatti-fighter.
 
It also looks a lot like the Gemballa Mirage. I don't think theresd any dispute that the picture is a mock-up, it's the story that's supposedly the scoop.
 
live4speed
By US legalised version it just came across that you mean it was a factory version built to be legal in the US that's all. No problem though.

Right: All the ones I talked about were purchased in Germany, shipped across the ocean in a box, and enjoyed in a garage until someone spoiled it with American anti-smog bits.
 
I think a car built off the RS Spyder has a better chance for an overall win.

Hell, if they are able to find room to tweak the Spyder, it might win one or two.
 
Porsche tuner 9ff is hoping to knock on the door of the Bugatti Veyron’s 253mph speed record for a road-legal car this Sept.
Not a production Porsche though, so it's not the car talked about in post 1.
 
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