Bugatti to Reveal All-New V16 Hypercar on June 20

[JC_Dude]

The Veyron was a bit of a porker. The Chiron got some much needed edge, but the rear never sat well with me. The Tourbillion is amazing, can't find a bad angle on it.

 

[RouWa]

I just saw an interview with Mate Rimac in German:



I didn't know he speaks German. He must have grown up in Germany, because if you learn a new language in school, it's not the same as growing up or living in that country.

For me: 9,500 rpm NA V16 > 9,000 rpm W16

 

[AerodyManiac]

That is more than likely how it will sound. Catchpole's video compares the 3 Cosworth built engines between Aston Martin, Gordan Murray, & Bugatti, and the Bugatti does not have that loud pitch of the others. In fact, it has the toned down grunt Bugatti's W16 made.

I would imagine this is a purposely made decision given the intended use of the Bugatti & its clientele versus that of the Valkyrie & the T.50.

Great if it’s really gonna sound like that. I didn’t mean to prefer the Tourbillon with a screaming sound with my previous post, I just wanted it to be higher-pitched than the deep bellow of the Veyron/Chiron.

Although I just revisited the Chiron’s sound on Youtube, and I must say under hard acceleration it doesn’t sound too bad either.

 

[-Fred-]

"Whirlwind" is a closer translation I think

I can be translated as both, but I've more commonly seen it used for water than air, and it's funnier anyway.

 

[Griffith500]

I just remembered my favourite fluid dynamics term: turbule. As in: a single "packet" of turbulence, the smallest possible vortex; imminent entropy.
Any kit-car manufacturers reading this? A Honda VFR-powered kit-car would sound pretty close, and they rev to 12k, even if it won't set your trousers on fire. Maybe just get an MT-10 and have fun whilst everyone else is debating the relative merits of the generally unattainable...

Great if it’s really gonna sound like that. I didn’t mean to prefer the Tourbillon with a screaming sound with my previous post, I just wanted it to be higher-pitched than the deep bellow of the Veyron/Chiron.

Although I just revisited the Chiron’s sound on Youtube, and I must say under hard acceleration it doesn’t sound too bad either.

I think you might not be disappointed. It will be less coarse than the outgoing W16, but far from the wail of the equal-length 6-into-1 exhausts on the V12s you mention.

Since it's not turbo-charged, the chances of some interesting and eye-wateringly priced aftermarket exhaust systems may well allow the new V16 engine to properly shriek (in much the same way the BRM V16 does from the right angles).



Alternatively, it would be very easy to make it sound similar to the W16 as well.

 

[ProjectWHaT]

I didn't know he speaks German. He must have grown up in Germany, because if you learn a new language in school, it's not the same as growing up or living in that country.

From Wikipedia

Rimac was born in Livno, SR Bosnia and Herzegovina, SFR Yugoslavia (present day Bosnia and Herzegovina) in 1988 to Zdenka and Ivan Rimac. The family temporarily moved to Frankfurt, Germany in 1991, when he was three years old, to escape the nascent Yugoslav Wars which had rendered the family's home region uninhabitable.[15] The family lived in Germany until 2000, after which they moved to Croatia, settling in Samobor, where Rimac's father founded a real estate company.[16]

Here's a great video on the historic context and the engineering details of the Tourbillon

 

[05XR8]

Thanks for sharing that video. I applaud the team for keeping the gauges analog. That alone allows me to give respect to Bugatti. Brilliant.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

I just remembered my favourite fluid dynamics term: turbule. As in: a single "packet" of turbulence, the smallest possible vortex; imminent entropy.
Any kit-car manufacturers reading this? A Honda VFR-powered kit-car would sound pretty close, and they rev to 12k, even if it won't set your trousers on fire. Maybe just get an MT-10 and have fun whilst everyone else is debating the relative merits of the generally unattainable...

I think you might not be disappointed. It will be less coarse than the outgoing W16, but far from the wail of the equal-length 6-into-1 exhausts on the V12s you mention.

Since it's not turbo-charged, the chances of some interesting and eye-wateringly priced aftermarket exhaust systems may well allow the new V16 engine to properly shriek (in much the same way the BRM V16 does from the right angles).



Alternatively, it would be very easy to make it sound similar to the W16 as well.

And just for anyone that doesn't know, that towering sound of the BRM is being produced from an engine with less displacement than a Toyota Prius.

In terms of kit cars with unique sounding engines, I've been waiting and waiting and waiting for somebody to due some sort of Morgan 3-wheeler fascimile with a Yamaha V-Max engine. Might just have to do it myself.



Older model but engine has the same characteristics


And specifically regarding that Honda motor in a car....definitely not pants on fire fast as you say, but the sound is oh so good.



The downshift and pull at 9:35 is incredible.

 

[CarreraGT]

This will be hilariously bad.

I’m guessing 2000 kg, 2000 hp, automatic transmission and a footprint of a small tank.

How did this age?

 

[Strittan]

How did this age?

I wasn’t way off, was I?

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

I wasn’t way off, was I?

You were off by 5kg, pathetic.

 

[Tornado]

Hense why the Countach is even more compact than the short McLaren by 6 inches.

I had always just assumed they were the same rough size as a Testarossa. Not a foot shorter.

 

[CarreraGT]

I wasn’t way off, was I?

Hilariously bad? Yes, you were way off

 

[Dave A]

Just goes to show, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I'll admit I wasn't a huge fan of the Veyron styling, loved the front of the the Chiron but the rear took some time to gel.

The Tourbillon is just stunning though. Defintely an evolution but by far their most covesive design.

Yes, it is so subjective. Personally, I don't think any of them are particularly beautiful looking cars, but although I disagree with some of @Keef 's comments in this thread, I do agree that they are getting progressively uglier.

That's not to be derogaroty about the car, they are amazing cars, but I much prefer the cleaner lines of the Veyron to this, albeit, none of them a particularly great lookers IMO.

 

[Strittan]

Hilariously bad? Yes, you were way off

To each his own. I think it’s horrendous.

 

[CarreraGT]

To each his own. I think it’s horrendous.

I'm too scared to ask which cars you are a fan of...

 

[Strittan]

I'm too scared to ask which cars you are a fan of...

When it comes to new cars, hardly any, but the GMA T.50 would be an exception. That will give you a pretty good idea of what I like and don’t like, and why I think pretty much every car manufacturer gets it wrong these days.

 

[Joey D]

Yeah, that's not a good-looking car. The performance is obviously impressive, but in terms of looking the part? Eh, I don't think so. I get why it needs to look like that, though. There are only so many shapes that work when you want to go that fast and still have the car sitting on the road while conforming to regulations. I do like the way the engine sounds as well.

 

[CarreraGT]

When it comes to new cars, hardly any, but the GMA T.50 would be an exception. That will give you a pretty good idea of what I like and don’t like, and why I think pretty much every car manufacturer gets it wrong these days.

Hard to argue with that one. The T.50 is pretty perfect in terms of overall philosophy - engine, transmission, size, weight, packaging. But the Tourbillon is better looking

 

[Strittan]

Hard to argue with that one. The T.50 is pretty perfect in terms of overall philosophy - engine, transmission, size, weight, packaging. But the Tourbillon is better looking

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

T.33 > Tourbillon > T.50

 

[CarreraGT]

T.33 > Tourbillon > T.50

Wow. I think the T.33 is the worst looking of the 3. Very awkward looking at the front

 

[TexRex]

Twice now that I've popped in and that user is feigning befuddlement that beauty is subjective.

 

[Griffith500]

A Tourbillon spotted pottering around some test area or other. The crossplane character is crisp and clear, almost synthetic in quality. This bodes well for retaining some musicality at high rpm, however. BRM V16 comparisons likely not misplaced at all. There is also still just enough of that 45° interval sound to remind us of the outgoing W16.





On the other hand it sounds a lot like the composite of the intake and exhaust sounds of the NA AMG GT3 V8s. Again, far - far - from a terrible thing!

Overall very well executed, hopefully the production version isn't too neutered, but money is buying these so money can fix it.

 

[Keef]

A Tourbillon spotted pottering around some test area or other. The crossplane character is crisp and clear, almost synthetic in quality. This bodes well for retaining some musicality at high rpm, however. BRM V16 comparisons likely not misplaced at all. There is also still just enough of that 45° interval sound to remind us of the outgoing W16.





On the other hand it sounds a lot like the composite of the intake and exhaust sounds of the NA AMG GT3 V8s. Again, far - far - from a terrible thing!

Overall very well executed, hopefully the production version isn't too neutered, but money is buying these so money can fix it.

I assume they're just not revving it very high but that's not the NASCAR-like sound that we all got excited about.

 

[Griffith500]

I assume they're just not revving it very high but that's not the NASCAR-like sound that we all got excited about.

The exhausts on this V16 are audibly lacking in any kind of merge, unlike NASCAR V8s, which are defined by near perfect merging in the intake and an offset merge in the exhaust. They're also very loud, and higher harmonics are more readily silenced. They don't stand a chance of passing noise regs without a merge, so this exhaust should not be considered final in my opinion.

There are lots of people comparing this V16 to an R1, which itself in turn has been called a mini NASCAR - although at extreme rpm it is its own distinct creature. So it depends on what you're used to hearing.

If I had to guess, I'd say the V16 here is revved to at least 7000 rpm in the video, not quite there, but definitely getting there.

All the other clips I've heard seem to be from a dyno cell, and it gives a good impression of the intake sound - that was never going to be like NASCAR's shrieking single 4-barrel carburettor style intakes.