Isn't he already working on one?You know with Murray speaking specifically about the Boxster/Cayman and the Alpine, I really wish he would put his brain & experience to work to create a ~$60k sports car.
The only thing I'm not a big fan of is the gratuitous "I'm fan" element on the back. Is it really necessary for it to be that shape?
Other than that, this thing is great.
That's basically what they did with the F1. It would be great if this thing could legit be integrated into GT3 somehow though. Or maybe, MAYBE...if Murray makes money off this thing they could pull a Glickenhaus and develop an LMH out of it.I don’t know if Fred’s video goes into it, but I highly suggest watching the video Harry’s Garage has about it with Gordon.
Gordon early on goes into the details of this car’s potential racing career, explaining how they spent a long time discussing with the FIA/ACO about LeMans with a "GT/Supercar Class" with several manufacturers interested & backed out because the program switched the formula to a LMP2-chassis based which didn't interest Gordon at all. He says they've switched their interest to Stephane Ratel who is proposing a BPR like series in a 2-part lay out. It appears Stephane is approaching multiple manufacturers and contacting their clientele about creating a club where owners who join, will be able to pick a prestigious circuit (in Europe to start) where they will get to attend a GT race on Sunday, and will keep the circuit open Monday & Tuesday for the owners to race their cars. He says the 2nd part, if enough interest is shown, hopes to make it a support race for the GT races.
They won't. That's what Gordon is specifically referring to when he says they discussed with the FIA/ACO about a GT/Supercar class and switched it over to what the LMH is.That's basically what they did with the F1. It would be great if this thing could legit be integrated into GT3 somehow though. Or maybe, MAYBE...if Murray makes money off this thing they could pull a Glickenhaus and develop an LMH out of it.
Some of you have probably noticed that I'm really annoyed by the street hypercar idea lately but something about this car isn't bothering me. Not sure why really. Something about the mission and the stated goals of the car seems way more genuine than all these other hypercars which all strike me as vanity. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know, but I like this one. Perhaps I'll be annoyed when I see a T50 casually strolling Hollywood but because it's manual I have a feeling that won't happen very often.
It is so F1-looking though, isn't it? Even some of the details are just like it's a Mk2 F1.Proportionately it couldn't be anything other than a successor to the F1, could it.
I'm not disagreeing with the rear of the 50 in comparison to the F1, but this:The T50S rear end is surprisingly different to the T50. The whole rear bodywork has been changed, for the better IMO. I really dislike how the normal car has the tail lights, exhausts, and fan outlet all roughly in-line. The taillights appear to be bottom-justified along the fan centerline, but the exhausts are centered. It all looks a bit clumsy - there's too many circles competing. The S moves the exhausts down so they do not visually compete with the fan, and the tail lights are lower and tucked into the body (feels rather 90s) rather than bulging out of it like on the normal car. Again, much nicer and cleaner. Finally the way the S gathers the main graphic into a narrow & concise bar is just so much more coherent than the more organic but arbitrary grill shapes on the T50 which just looks a bit wandering in search of stylistic flourish. I'm still not the hugest fan of the fan, but the T50s does it way better. The original F1 was such a clear and coherent design with very minimal gratuitous "styling". The T50 is still along those lines, but the rear of the normal car is a bit too fussy for me.
This is why I dg the T50. It feels more bespoke than the F1, to me. I mean, at least the T50 have its own taillights. You know? If those cost $100,000 to replace, so be it, but I'm glad they aren't from a totally different car.Either way, in the same vein as the F1, the base T50's design is still much more reserved and pleasant than virtually every other similar car.
The T50S rear end is surprisingly different to the T50. The whole rear bodywork has been changed, for the better IMO. I really dislike how the normal car has the tail lights, exhausts, and fan outlet all roughly in-line. The taillights appear to be bottom-justified along the fan centerline, but the exhausts are centered. It all looks a bit clumsy - there's too many circles competing. The S moves the exhausts down so they do not visually compete with the fan, and the tail lights are lower and tucked into the body (feels rather 90s) rather than bulging out of it like on the normal car. Again, much nicer and cleaner. Finally the way the S gathers the main graphic into a narrow & concise bar is just so much more coherent than the more organic but arbitrary grill shapes on the T50 which just looks a bit wandering in search of stylistic flourish. I'm still not the hugest fan of the fan, but the T50s does it way better. The original F1 was such a clear and coherent design with very minimal gratuitous "styling". The T50 is still along those lines, but the rear of the normal car is a bit too fussy for me.
I was thinking before that it sounded like it has a funny firing order, from the way the resulting uneven cylinder filling comes out in the exhaust note at part throttle, almost reminiscent of Honda's RA273e.
Then that dyno video sort of solidified it for me by showing the exhaust groupings - assuming they're even firing triples, you can see they group 1-3-5 & 2-4-6; so surprisingly not quite the same 1-4-5 & 2-3-6 grouping as the Honda, but still unusual. Crucially, it's not the same 1-2-3 & 4-5-6 grouping of almost every other V12, and it won't sound the same as the F1 in the cabin.
Quite an interesting machine all told!
Order | RMS | Peak | comment
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1-5-3-6-2-4 | 100% | 100% | traditional firing order
1-5-4-6-2-3 | 99.5% | 99.9% | 3/4 swap
1-2-3-6-5-4 | 98.8% | 96.3% | 5/2 swap: "sequentials"
1-2-4-6-5-3 | 98.7% | 96.2% | 3/4 & 5/2 swap: WWII "Rechlin order"