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@DisabledRacer I tried you Z4, and it is unbelievable. It's weird how similar it felt to my tune, but your's was so much quicker. It's really good! I finally won with it.
A-spec Expert Level European Hot Hatch Race: Circuito de Madrid / Reverse
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- torm1
I guess the Ferrari Dino is hatchish. I also tried the BMW Z4 ('07 I think) among others.
At this pp level, there is a large difference between a car with aero upgrades and one without. With flat floors and a tail, the car's BHP suffers a marked decrease in order to make it under 450pp. That difference is not made up for in handling or traction in my opinion.
At this pp level, there is a large difference between a car with aero upgrades and one without. With flat floors and a tail, the car's BHP suffers a marked decrease in order to make it under 450pp. That difference is not made up for in handling or traction in my opinion.
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- breyzipp
- breyzipp
not entirely correct
GT auto parts/services that don't affect pp but still affect handling - or supposed to - in some way:
-> rear wing (and downforce that comes with it under car settings)
-> aero kits
-> improved body rigidity
GT auto parts/services that do affect pp:
-> oil exchange
-> flat floors
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- Disabled_Racer
Tried out some more older cars. (I lied earlier about being done!)
Ferrari 512 BB '76 - 8:49.421
BMW 2002 Turbo '73 - 8:54.888 (Guessed at setup and only raced once)
Alfa Romeo Spider 1600 Duetto '66 - 9:04.549
Mercedes-Benz - SL 300 Coupe Chrome Line '54 - 8:56.266 (Can run 1:39 lap times in racing groove...Hates traffic on track!) Tough car to get to my liking. Too much body roll & I didn't like brakes. Much, much faster than my time indicates.
Ferrari 512 BB '76 - 8:49.421
BMW 2002 Turbo '73 - 8:54.888 (Guessed at setup and only raced once)
Alfa Romeo Spider 1600 Duetto '66 - 9:04.549
Mercedes-Benz - SL 300 Coupe Chrome Line '54 - 8:56.266 (Can run 1:39 lap times in racing groove...Hates traffic on track!) Tough car to get to my liking. Too much body roll & I didn't like brakes. Much, much faster than my time indicates.
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You know I had to try the car after seeing your post.
Our times were almost identical, and we even had the same 2nd and 3rd place AI cars!
Out of curiosity, how much ballast did you add and at what position? Did you do an oil change?
I added 118 kg at position 15, and I did not do an oil change.
237 HP
1350 kg
distribution 50/50
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Curious that we got similar AI field while driving the same car.
Good time! 👍 Thinking it could go sub 8:40 at 450PP with suspension, gears and power to weight properly tuned.Can't remember the exact amount of ballast. If I remember correctly, I limited power to 280 HP and added ballast for 450PP. Ballast was position 0. And also no oil change. And from gear box, top speed auto set to 200 km/h. Think I also had all other parts installed that don't increase PP, and all settings were at default.
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- photonrider
Curious that we got similar AI field while driving the same car.
I've tested this out many times and found it to be the same. The choice of car affects the field that is offered up.
There is a caveat to this - obviously if one takes a car in and keeps eliminating the field by exiting and re-trying, then the same car will get diverse fields.
But if one tries a car for the first time - a 'suitable' field is offered - and it seems to be a standard; the same for everyone.
I'm not sure how the 'suitability' is calculated, or whether tuning in any way is a filter/pipe that affects the effect.
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BTW - I'm thinking: everybody enjoy this event?
Closing thoughts?
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I've tested this out many times and found it to be the same. The choice of car affects the field that is offered up.
There is a caveat to this - obviously if one takes a car in and keeps eliminating the field by exiting and re-trying, then the same car will get diverse fields.
But if one tries a car for the first time - a 'suitable' field is offered - and it seems to be a standard; the same for everyone.
I'm not sure how the 'suitability' is calculated, or whether tuning in any way is a filter/pipe that affects the effect.
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BTW - I'm thinking: everybody enjoy this event?
Closing thoughts?
Another thing I found interesting is how we had a similar field and nearly identical times, but the times of the AI field were significantly different. Why was that? What determines the AI pace? HP? Weight? First lap time?
MTM79 - 8:51.815
2nd place - 147 GTA '02 - 9:10.094
3rd place - Golf VI R '10 - 9:15.550
Disabled Racer - 8:51.841
2nd place - 147 GTA '02 - 8:56.836
3rd place - Golf VI R '10 - 8:57.907
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- photonrider
Only the replays will tell. Somewhere during the race there was some event that 'shifted' the race choreography.
This is what I will presume before you guys check your replays:
MTM got away faster.
You stuck with the pack longer.
MTMs AI slowed down after he got away.
Your AI were racing you closer and faster.
Also - if there is the thought that the car taken in to the event is part of the criteria used to boot up the relevant field - what happens when we get a new event? Does the same field come up for everybody worldwide at the very first go?
If so, how does this affect the cycling of the field thereafter?
Basically - randomised or patterned?
This is what I will presume before you guys check your replays:
MTM got away faster.
You stuck with the pack longer.
MTMs AI slowed down after he got away.
Your AI were racing you closer and faster.
Also - if there is the thought that the car taken in to the event is part of the criteria used to boot up the relevant field - what happens when we get a new event? Does the same field come up for everybody worldwide at the very first go?
If so, how does this affect the cycling of the field thereafter?
Basically - randomised or patterned?
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- breyzipp
- breyzipp
Very interesting indeed and I'm pretty sure the AI changes it's pace based on the first couple of laps. I saw someone mention here on the forums a couple of weeks ago something about deliberately driving a bit slower in the first lap(s) to slow down the AI.
You can easily investigate this further in a replay with the "real time table" or what's it called, you can see the AI lap times there as well.
I'm pretty excited about the 3 new races we get tomorrow as well. I hope something with classic cars or classic race cars again.
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Forgive me, Lord, for I have sinned.
I was pulling my hair out on this one. With the 111R '04, I was making consistent 1:39-1:41 laps and about 8:55 overall, but this wasn't enough to beat the lead rabbit who almost always won by one full second. I had TC1 and AS on full, even.
If there's one thing I don't like, it's losing. Not getting gold and my paint chip is simply not acceptable. So I turned on SRF for the first time in months and I have to say this thing is as close as you can get to cheating in this game. My lap time went as low as 1:37.8xx and 8:43 overall. That's a 12 second improvement with just this one feature.
I feel like scum, but I'll take it because I'll be darned if I won't get my paint. And that's that for this event.
I was pulling my hair out on this one. With the 111R '04, I was making consistent 1:39-1:41 laps and about 8:55 overall, but this wasn't enough to beat the lead rabbit who almost always won by one full second. I had TC1 and AS on full, even.
If there's one thing I don't like, it's losing. Not getting gold and my paint chip is simply not acceptable. So I turned on SRF for the first time in months and I have to say this thing is as close as you can get to cheating in this game. My lap time went as low as 1:37.8xx and 8:43 overall. That's a 12 second improvement with just this one feature.
I feel like scum, but I'll take it because I'll be darned if I won't get my paint. And that's that for this event.
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- photonrider
Yeah, the AI definitely paces the player - and there is a point, a window, where they play this game. The more we focus on them, the more comes to light about their behiviour - what we once took as random or static - but now there seems to be some evidence of dynamic game balancing - which is hugely interesting, because if done right that would be an awesome game.
But that's all of topic . . .
The topic here is - Expert Seasonals!
This one was interesting - that's for sure. My head is spinning from driving in reverse.
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- H_Knight19
Err... can't really tell as I wasn't paying much attention to that. I think I saw the Clio and Scirocco up front on a couple occasions.
What probably messed me up was that I'd do consistent laps, then maybe once make a small mistake that cost me 1-2s and that would be enough to let the lead car win. That didn't happen at all with SRF. What would normally have sent the car into the barrier with very slightly too - late braking would now barely unsettle it.
And that, I tell you, is cheating. It's probably only this pronounced because we're on comfort softs, however. I'd wager SRF is less noticeable on grippier tires.
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